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Man a Yonko is a thread because he has an army. Get rid of his army he's obvious not the same level of threat.
All Yonkou are known across the world as Yonko that's their fear factor and they would not become Yonko without their crew.
Shanks specifically though..they literally mentioned Lucky Roo Benn Beckman Yasopp when giving him the bounty.
Even fucking Straw hats and Roger pirate didn't have that.
Yonko title by itself is huge bounty boost and so is the army.
How can World see Shanks as same level of threat with Lucky Roo Yasopp Beckman and without them?
All Yonkou are known across the world as Yonko that's their fear factor and they would not become Yonko without their crew.
Shanks specifically though..they literally mentioned Lucky Roo Benn Beckman Yasopp when giving him the bounty.
Even fucking Straw hats and Roger pirate didn't have that.
Yonko title by itself is huge bounty boost and so is the army.
How can World see Shanks as same level of threat with Lucky Roo Yasopp Beckman and without them?
That's absolutely insane
Shanks wouldn't even become a yonko without his crew
He won't be able to stop the war without his crew
He won't have territory without his crew.
Bounty = Threat Level
So Shanks is same amount of threat without Yonko as he is with yonko?
Meaning Beckman Yasopp etc are irrelevant?
Come on guys think before you speak
Shanks wouldn't even become a yonko without his crew
He won't be able to stop the war without his crew
He won't have territory without his crew.
Bounty = Threat Level
So Shanks is same amount of threat without Yonko as he is with yonko?
Meaning Beckman Yasopp etc are irrelevant?
Come on guys think before you speak
Difference is, in Crocodile's original plan, Mihawk was supposed to be the one being shown as the spearhead of this entire organization. The boost of being a leader, which went to Buggy here, would've come to Mihawk along with the fact that Mihawk now has Crocodile & Buggy, two former Shichibukais, as his subordinates.
Essentially Buggy's bounty would've dropped a good amount & Mihawk's bounty would've increased a good amount. Since a chunk of what is seen as Buggy's achievements would be seen as Mihawk's achievements.
Essentially Buggy's bounty would've dropped a good amount & Mihawk's bounty would've increased a good amount. Since a chunk of what is seen as Buggy's achievements would be seen as Mihawk's achievements.
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Except the "underling" surpasses his captain in bounty and Brannew specifically mentions that biggest reason behind Buggy's bounty is the fact he has Mihawk + Croc under him.
And Brannew doesn't give a shit about CG or Buggy and proceeds to only bring up Mihawk's strength and combat merits when awarding him his.
Of course being part of CG did inflate Mihawk's bounty, but if you're pretending that Shanks' isn't affected by his crew which was brought up four times in a row while presenting his bounty, you're definitely coping.
Is that why crew members are brought up and Shanks' crew power was emphasized upon more than twice when announcing his bounty?
Or why Mihawk and Crocodile being under him was regarded as "most important factor" when announcing Buggy's bounty?
Come on. Bounty is about threat. You're much bigger threat with strongest Yonko crew at your beck and call than without.
Insane to think otherwise.
You think BM would be worth as much as she is if she didn't have literal seas, empires and countries under her command? Fuck no.
And Brannew doesn't give a shit about CG or Buggy and proceeds to only bring up Mihawk's strength and combat merits when awarding him his.
Of course being part of CG did inflate Mihawk's bounty, but if you're pretending that Shanks' isn't affected by his crew which was brought up four times in a row while presenting his bounty, you're definitely coping.
Is that why crew members are brought up and Shanks' crew power was emphasized upon more than twice when announcing his bounty?
Or why Mihawk and Crocodile being under him was regarded as "most important factor" when announcing Buggy's bounty?
Come on. Bounty is about threat. You're much bigger threat with strongest Yonko crew at your beck and call than without.
Insane to think otherwise.
You think BM would be worth as much as she is if she didn't have literal seas, empires and countries under her command? Fuck no.
Yes in reality it was crocodiles idea to make cross guild and ask mihawk to join.The world government doesn't know that. Just like the world government doesn't realize buggy is fodder
If the wg realized
If the world government believed mihawk was the leader, teamed up with crocodile, with buggys fodder crew with the strongest member maxing out below hajrudin level
They also wouldn't be considered a yonko level group
Buggy is the one and only reason they are considered one due to the world government thinking he's a way bigger deal than he is in reality
In reality we know cross guild doesn't compare at all to any yonko crew. With even the current strawhats washing them
If the wg realized
- Buggy himself isn't an actual serious threat or powerhouse
- Its actually crocodiles organization
- And mihawk is just a member of it
If the world government believed mihawk was the leader, teamed up with crocodile, with buggys fodder crew with the strongest member maxing out below hajrudin level
They also wouldn't be considered a yonko level group
Buggy is the one and only reason they are considered one due to the world government thinking he's a way bigger deal than he is in reality
In reality we know cross guild doesn't compare at all to any yonko crew. With even the current strawhats washing them
Yeah but the point is, even after Buggy's merits, they consider Mihawk bigger.
So if we take Buggy's merits and put him under Mihawk alongside Crocodile as it was originally seemingly meant to be, Mihawk would not only get the boost of being CG leader, but also having both Croc and Buggy (someone who is highly esteemed) under him. Basically a reverse situation, but Mihawk as a leader.
That'd be a big boost to his bounty nonetheless. EASILY crossing 4b, meanwhile I don't think Buggy would be crossing past 2.5b in that scenario.
So if we take Buggy's merits and put him under Mihawk alongside Crocodile as it was originally seemingly meant to be, Mihawk would not only get the boost of being CG leader, but also having both Croc and Buggy (someone who is highly esteemed) under him. Basically a reverse situation, but Mihawk as a leader.
That'd be a big boost to his bounty nonetheless. EASILY crossing 4b, meanwhile I don't think Buggy would be crossing past 2.5b in that scenario.
I know that.
I'm telling you that even with the current set up with the WG thinking that Buggy is some top tier, if Mihawk was the one put up as the leader - his bounty would ofc increase & Buggy's current one would fall. Along with the WG attributing all of this Marine hunting business to Mihawk with him being shown spearheading this entire effort.
Either way, if your argument is basically that Buggy wont be *percieved* as a Top tier if he had not been *percieved* as a leader like bruh...
How does that refute my point about Mihawk lol? Your essentially just harping on a technicality which is fine lol. You have a point.
I'm telling you that even with the current set up with the WG thinking that Buggy is some top tier, if Mihawk was the one put up as the leader - his bounty would ofc increase & Buggy's current one would fall. Along with the WG attributing all of this Marine hunting business to Mihawk with him being shown spearheading this entire effort.
Either way, if your argument is basically that Buggy wont be *percieved* as a Top tier if he had not been *percieved* as a leader like bruh...
How does that refute my point about Mihawk lol? Your essentially just harping on a technicality which is fine lol. You have a point.
In buggys case they're using characters like mihawk and crocodile to try and gauge his strength. Using his perceived command over them as an actual feat
That wouldn't really work the opposite way around. Cause if they didnt recognize buggy as strong he wouldn't really effect how the world sees mihawk. Even crocodile wouldn't because the world already views mihawk as stronger and a bigger threat
The reason mihawk likely has a higher bounty than buggy is more than just how the world government perceives their strength but just mihawk actually having more feats against the world government prior to even joining.
Before cross guild buggy himself really hasn't done all too much to fight against the world government. Mihawk has tho. With him even getting the nickname marine hunter in the past with how much he exclusively fucked with them
There using mihawk and crocodile to try and scale buggy
So if he wasn't the leader they obviously wouldn't do that. As for how strong theyd think he would be idk
Like if crocodile was seen as the leader idk how much theyd actually view buggy as powerful or a threat
That wouldn't really work the opposite way around. Cause if they didnt recognize buggy as strong he wouldn't really effect how the world sees mihawk. Even crocodile wouldn't because the world already views mihawk as stronger and a bigger threat
The reason mihawk likely has a higher bounty than buggy is more than just how the world government perceives their strength but just mihawk actually having more feats against the world government prior to even joining.
Before cross guild buggy himself really hasn't done all too much to fight against the world government. Mihawk has tho. With him even getting the nickname marine hunter in the past with how much he exclusively fucked with them
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I know that.
I'm telling you that even with the current set up with the WG thinking that Buggy is some top tier, if Mihawk was the one put up as the leader - his bounty would ofc increase & Buggy's current one would fall. Along with the WG attributing all of this Marine hunting business to Mihawk with him being shown spearheading this entire effort.
Either way, if your argument is basically that Buggy wont be *percieved* as a Top tier if he had not been *percieved* as a leader like bruh...
How does that refute my point about Mihawk lol? Your essentially just harping on a technicality which is fine lol. You have a point.
I'm telling you that even with the current set up with the WG thinking that Buggy is some top tier, if Mihawk was the one put up as the leader - his bounty would ofc increase & Buggy's current one would fall. Along with the WG attributing all of this Marine hunting business to Mihawk with him being shown spearheading this entire effort.
Either way, if your argument is basically that Buggy wont be *percieved* as a Top tier if he had not been *percieved* as a leader like bruh...
How does that refute my point about Mihawk lol? Your essentially just harping on a technicality which is fine lol. You have a point.
So if he wasn't the leader they obviously wouldn't do that. As for how strong theyd think he would be idk
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Like if crocodile was seen as the leader idk how much theyd actually view buggy as powerful or a threat
mate this is a losing argument cause we know Captain effect his underling bounty MORE
Mihawk joining Cross Guild mean more to his bounty
than Shanks have strong people under him
Mihawk getting FREE bounty
Shanks getting the bounty for his great leadership
Oda said Cro bounty (without being a warlord) is 200 Mil.
let's say marine ford add 100 Mil to it (same a Luffy)
and after that let just him him 100 Mil more cause ... who gives a fuck
but joining Cross guild make Cro Bounty around 1.5 Bill more
same story with Mihawk
Mihawk joining Cross Guild mean more to his bounty
than Shanks have strong people under him
Mihawk getting FREE bounty
Shanks getting the bounty for his great leadership
Oda said Cro bounty (without being a warlord) is 200 Mil.
let's say marine ford add 100 Mil to it (same a Luffy)
and after that let just him him 100 Mil more cause ... who gives a fuck
but joining Cross guild make Cro Bounty around 1.5 Bill more
same story with Mihawk
Buggy's bounty isn't inflated by his crew otherwise as the leader it would follow suit that his bounty is the highest which it isn't. He merely earned the title yonko because the gag is that "everyone" In-verse scales Buggy above his subordinates cause he is a Roger pirate and everyone follows him. Shanks is not a gag character like Buggy that Oda belittles and serves as a literal clown.