General & Others How much control does Oda have over the story?

[S.W317]

And by that I mean is Oda conveying everything he wishes for? Or does the story and narrative sometimes go out of control without him realizing?

For example did Oda intend for Luffy not to be a top tier when he made him not use ACoC consistently and created the G4/5 time-limit weakness? Or is it that in Oda’s mind Luffy is a top tier but he isn’t able to convey it throughout the story because he created the timelimit for humor and story tension and he doesn’t actually realize this himself unless someone tells him?

How much control over their stories do authors have in any medium or story in general? Can stories go beyond or under what were intended for them?

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Luffy is a top tier already with base ACoC/non advanced haki g5.

G5 + ACoC is borderline god mode, it's just that kaido is such a beast that he made the audience underestimate G5 ACoC power.

We only got a hold of how powerful it is after watching lucci and kizaru get one shotted without being able to leave a single scar on nika.

 

[S.W317]

Luffy is a top tier already with base ACoC/non advanced haki g5.

G5 + ACoC is borderline god mode, it's just that kaido is such a beast that he made the audience underestimate G5 ACoC power.

We only got a hold of how powerful it is after watching lucci and kizaru get one shotted without being able to leave a single scar on nika.

There’s a guy on Twitter called Joe who claims he isn’t and some people agreed with him so I thought that maybe Oda isn’t doing a good job in conveying to the community certain narratives he has in his head

And I’m not just talking about power levels but in general. It seems that the community do not understand Oda’s writing and it’s his fault for not being a good author

 

[CensoredbyWG]

There’s a guy on Twitter called Joe who claims he isn’t and some people agreed with him so I thought that maybe Oda isn’t doing a good job in conveying to the community certain narratives he has in his head

And I’m not just talking about power levels but in general. It seems that the community do not understand Oda’s writing and it’s his fault for not being a good author

Oda comes up with this story, but who controls what/how/when/where things happen is the magazine and the editors.

 

[SkySanji]

Practically 100% control... he's the author, the editors can ask him to alter things and give him advice but at the end of the day Oda decides if it happens or doesn't.

 

[S.W317]

Oda comes up with this story, but who controls what/how/when/where things happen is the magazine and the editors.

No you didn’t get me, what I mean is that Oda can’t control what others perceive, he can only control what he writes.

So if I were to tell you that I live in the North Pole and you perceived it as I’m living in the South Pole, it is my fault for not telling you clearly that I do in fact live in the North Pole
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Practically 100% control... he's the author, the editors can ask him to alter things and give him advice but at the end of the day Oda decides if it happens or doesn't.

No you didn’t get me, what I mean is that Oda can’t control what others perceive, he can only control what he writes.

So if I were to tell you that I live in the North Pole and you perceived it as I’m living in the South Pole, it is my fault for not telling you clearly that I do in fact live in the North Pole

It is like in the story, Oda said Luffy is stronger than Kaido but people still think Kaido is stronger than Luffy

 

[SkySanji]

No you didn’t get me, what I mean is that Oda can’t control what others perceive, he can only control what he writes.

So if I were to tell you that I live in the North Pole and you perceived it as I’m living in the South Pole, it is my fault for not telling you clearly that I do in fact live in the North Pole

No, that would just make me delusional.

 

[S.W317]

No, that would just make me delusional.

Exactly everyone who says that Luffy isn’t currently is delusional

 

[God of Finance]

The characters control him; he has said so himself.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

For example did Oda intend for Luffy not to be a top tier when he made him not use ACoC consistently and created the G4/5 time-limit weakness?

Oda is an adult author. He doesn't give a shit about tiers made up by the dumbest group among his work's fandom.

This debate is related to the death of the author, by the way; in case you want to read about it.

Practically 100% control... he's the author

Let's go back to the real world, please. No author of a multimillionaire business has 100% control over it.

 

[SkySanji]

Let's go back to the real world, please. No author of a multimillionaire business has 100% control over it.

I said practically 100%, meaning not absolutely 100%

And post a source to back that up, Oda's the guy directly writing the manga, not a team of guys sitting at a desk while Oda rests on a beach drinking a martini.

 

[Date]

Think Oda today is at a lvl of prestige and moneymaking at the industry that is very hard to believe he dont have total creative freedom.

Of course in the legal and pratical things Shueisha have a power, but they most likely let he do the story the way he want and just focus on making the most money from it.

It's pretty much like how it is with George R. R. Martin, Tarantino and those kind of authors that make too much money
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Luffy is a top tier already with base ACoC/non advanced haki g5.

G5 + ACoC is borderline god mode, it's just that kaido is such a beast that he made the audience underestimate G5 ACoC power.

We only got a hold of how powerful it is after watching lucci and kizaru get one shotted without being able to leave a single scar on nika.

Agree, storywise seems that Kaido was even stronger than most of the other Top Tier characters, and because of that we dont get a real idea of how strong Luffy new powers are

 

[Monkey D Theories]

How does any of this make Luffy not a top tier, he seems stronger than Kizaru
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Almost no characters use ACoC all the time. I think Shanks might be the only one who will.

Even Kaido had a huge bag of DF techniques he relied on. BM even moreso. Zoro is evidently more reliant on CoA, as we saw him use ACoA against Lucci but no ACoC.

 

[Herrera95]

Unfortunately 99%. Editors makes small changes like Shanks losing an arm to Sea King.

 

[trav]

Editors have him chained to the desk and if he does not draw what they want he gets no food.
0% say in things.

 

[DavyJones]

I think I see what you're talking about... Oda has stated that sometimes his characters are hard to control, and recently even thinks he might have made Luffy *too* strong. So strong that the only effective roadblocks are Blackbeard/Akainu/Imu without Oda struggling to explain why Luffy hasn't negged them yet. His commitment to keeping his characters consistent makes them feel much more tangible, even if it gets frustrating sometimes.

Another example would be Sanji's simping and refusal to hit women. The only reason I excuse his pervy nature is because he is willing to die before harming a woman and he has stayed consistent to that. These can get annoying when its time to lock in, and I imagine it throws Oda some weird issues like with Bonney-Sanji interactions in the current arc.

I think Oda does a good job giving himself wiggle room later, so he has a pretty tight grip on the story but he's already had to pull one strong retcon to course correct the world and characters he has built.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Are you asking about death of the author?

Powerscaling in One Piece is actually a superb example of death of the author which I’ve never really thought of.

The main example would probably be the reader’s perception of Big Mom compared to what Oda may have intended to portray.