Chapter Discussion How much does Akainu know?

[Wano Never Happened]

Why do these situations constantly happen? I get the impression even Japanese readers don't know what characters are actually saying half the time. Is this Oda being intentionally vague, spoiler providers/early translators being really bad at translation or what?

(Disclaimer: I don't know the first thing about Japanese.)

 

[Konstantis]

So it seems Gorosei shares some knowledge with hight ranks

 

[Wano Never Happened]

I also can't imagine Akainu would know much. I don't really know why the Gorosei would find it necessary to give him the information in the first place. I don't exactly get the sense they trust anyone in the navy that intimately, especially given that even figures like Kuzan can just (seemingly) leave the navy at any point.

Like what is the actual utility of letting Sengoku and Akainu know about the Void Century, or who Imu is?

 

[Dragon777]

All Sandman said is that he might not know everything.

That Is the exact meaning of the phrase: according to Sandman, It's not clear if Akainu knows.

Which Is also confirmed by machine translation, btw.

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Sandman said "it's not necessarily true that Akainu knows all the details of the Void Century", nobody is arguing that.

Which means (literally) that It is not said that he knows what Vega Is saying.

 

[SkySanji]

Which means (literally) that It is not said that he knows what Vega Is saying, as I said.

No, it means Akainu may not necessarily know everything, not that he knows nothing.

 

[Dragon777]

No, it means Akainu may not necessarily know everything, not that he knows nothing.

The meaning was precisely about the fact we don't know what he knows. Sandman literally said "Lost in translation" in his post.
In this chapter we had a single phrase of Akainu and that phrase was about what Vegapunk was saying.
Sandman is not creating phrases that don't exists or Is referring to other chapters. Or making theories, btw.

So, since It was a "Lost in translation" and the only phrase of Akainu was about what Vegapunk was saying (Akainu literally made Vegapunk's name, and I mean literally), It's clear the meaning Is that, as Sandman said, It's not clear If Akainu knew want Vegapunk was saying.

 

[SkySanji]

The meaning was precisely about the fact we don't know what he knows. Sandman literally said "Lost in translation" in his post.
In this chapter we had a single phrase of Akainu and that phrase was about what Vegapunk was saying.
Sandman is not creating phrases that don't exists or Is referring to other chapters.

So, since It was a "Lost in translation" and the only phrase of Akainu was about what Vegapunk was saying (Akainu literally made Vegapunk's name, and I mean literally), It's clear the meaning Is that, as Sandman said, It's not clear If Akainu knew.

Except that isn't what Sandman's post says, you've now deviated from it and inserted your own headcanon even though you're the one who initially used it as an argument lmfao.

His post verbatim

[Lost in translation] Akainu's words contain an abusive connotation to Vegapunk. Judging from the Japanese lines, it is NOT necessarily true that Akainu knows all the details about Void Century. The onomatopoeia of him crushing his cigar is funny.

All Sandman says is that "it is not necessarily true that Akainu knows all the details about the Void Century."

 

[Dragon777]

Except that isn't what Sandman's post says, you've now deviated from it and inserted your own headcanon even though you're the one who initially used it as an argument lmfao.

His post verbatim

All Sandman says is that "it is not necessarily true that Akainu knows all the details about the Void Century."

Lol, says the only one who Is badly trying to insert his headcanon into this.

Sandman post Is Crystal clear and he even labelled as "Lost in translation" about the only phrase Akainu said, which was about what Vegapunk was saying (explicitly).

 

[SkySanji]

Lol, says the only one Is badly trying to insert his headcanon into this.

Sandman post Is Crystal clear and he even labelled as "Lost in translation" about the only phrase Akainu said, which was about what Vegapunk was saying (explicitly).

What headcanon? I literally quoted his post exactly as he typed it...

The inability to understand Sandman's post is clearly just a language issue on your end, nothing to be ashamed about of course, but it's not wise to argue over semantics when your understanding of the language is minimal at best.

 

[Dragon777]

What headcanon? I literally quoted his post exactly as he typed it...

The inability to understand Sandman's post is clearly just a language issue on your end, nothing to be ashamed about of course, but it's not wise to argue over semantics when your understanding of the language is minimal at best.

Don't be ashemed yourself too, we know your level of semantica and we know you cope too much to adimit erros In this cases. It's Just for the fun.

In the meantime this goes directly in one of the best copes never.
Now we have Akainu's invisibile phrases about the Void Century near the invisibile headcuffs.

 

[SkySanji]

Don't be ashemed yourself too, we know your level of semantica and we know you cope too much to adimit erros In this cases. It's Just for the fun.

In the meantime this goes directly in one of the best copes never.
Now we have Akainu's invisibile phrases about the Void Century near the invisibile headcuffs.

Work on your problems bro, don't pretend they don't exist

 

[Dragon777]

Work on your problems bro, don't pretend they don't exist

Be like:

Anyway, we'll see.
Sooner or later we have to.

 

[Yoho]

🤔 I think he knows just enough not to push for further details and how important it is to keep the status quo but I don't think he knows absolutely everything, I don't think even vegapunks knows absolutely every detail the only people who know every single detail

Roger Pirates who read the poneglyphs and learned everything

Imu- who more than likely lived through it

Gorosei~ who either lived through it or the truth was passed down through their family line

 

[silverfire]

What headcanon? I literally quoted his post exactly as he typed it...

The inability to understand Sandman's post is clearly just a language issue on your end, nothing to be ashamed about of course, but it's not wise to argue over semantics when your understanding of the language is minimal at best.

What’s your stance then? How much do you think Akainu knows, especially in relation to Garp & sengoku? And what do you think he means in this latest bit of dialogue?

 

[MonsterKaido]

He at least knew about lulusia's destruction and rise of water level. I don't think he knows about imu though.

 

[Fujishiro]

What’s your stance then? How much do you think Akainu knows, especially in relation to Garp & sengoku? And what do you think he means in this latest bit of dialogue?

Imo he knows about the Will of D and some parts of what happened during the void century, perhaps like you said just the parts that make the WG look good.

I also can't imagine Akainu would know much. I don't really know why the Gorosei would find it necessary to give him the information in the first place. I don't exactly get the sense they trust anyone in the navy that intimately, especially given that even figures like Kuzan can just (seemingly) leave the navy at any point.

Like what is the actual utility of letting Sengoku and Akainu know about the Void Century, or who Imu is?

Kuzan wasnt the Fleet Admiral though and I dont think he knew anything, Sengoku definitely knows some things and I guess he may have passed his knowledge to Akainu maybe? Or the Gorosei did idk.

 

[Peroroncino]

All of it

 

[silverfire]

Imo he knows about the Will of D and some parts of what happened during the void century, perhaps like you said just the parts that make the WG look good.

Kuzan wasnt the Fleet Admiral though and I dont think he knew anything, Sengoku definitely knows some things and I guess he may have passed his knowledge to Akainu maybe? Or the Gorosei did idk.

Yeah, I think he knows of a vague history that is very biased towards the world government. Him and Sengoku probably have a surface level knowledge of the will of d, but mostly view it as evil/dangerous. He's probably also comfortable with the fact that the world government had to do unsavory things during the void century in order to eradicate said evil. Kind of reminiscent of Iceberg viewing the "demons of ohara" as evil, despite simultaneously being well meaning, and having unique knowledge about pluton. The wg propaganda is very effective at twisting facts around and convincing people working for the greater good that they are in the right.

All this ambiguity from oda is intentional too. If I take a charitable view of oda, it's because he wants us to experience akainu determining his own sense of what's right and what's wrong. The uncharitable view would be that oda hasn't yet figured out himself where he wants to akainu to stand, and is stalling. Which is something I think oda does much more often than the fanbase readily admits.