Powers & Abilities How NOT to design superpowers - Goofy edition

[Jailer]

I think it deserves a rant thread on it's own from my perspective.

I just joked today how King may be able to beat Luffy if he just stalls him in his pteranodon form with flame on (which by the way deserves another award for stupid powers, it's a stupid ability with the manga providing no tick where and when his flame turns off), but this thread will be about Goofy

Gear 4 - time limit power up, always useless as it can't bring down top tiers in time (or even Kata and Cracker they weren't defeated on first time), no haki for 10 minutes

Gear 5 - time limit x2, even worse than G4, can never bring any opponent first time, consistent need of food

Victories for villains feel cheap because all they have to do is just stall for those forms to run out.

Gear 4 has become completely useless, and it makes no sense for Luffy to use it, just for for G2 + G3 combo then use Gear 5, he wasn't doing shit to Kizaru with G4 anyway - needed G5, zero reason to use Gear 4 just to eat too much energy/haki.

And we know why Oda added those elements - to drag out an arc. Luffy temporary out of fighting - draw Kuma flashback, characters running around etc.

Other problems - Luffy is supposed to be a zoan, awakened at that. These problems shouldn't exist, or not at this frequency.

If we get other mythical zoans in their awakened form, and they don't do some sort of outside their body control using their powers with awakening (like Kidd/Law/Kata/Luffy etc.,) what else to call this power but bullshit, asspull, no one can explain WHY he should be the exception to that rule. There's zero explanation.

Overall I like when powers go back to the roots of the characters, like Luffy in G5, or from dragon ball gt I liked the super sayian 4 transformation, looking like an actual transformation that went back to it's sayian roots, theme of the character. But watching fights involving Luffy have stopped being enjoyable due to the above reasons listed, before awakening even with G4 in general. The incoinsistent formula around his awakening and lack of explanations, stupid time limits overall make fights less enjoyable.

Some mentions:
@TheKnightOfTheSea @NikaInParis @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Blackbeard @TheAncientCenturion @ZenZu @RayanOO etc.

 

[NikaInParis]

I think it deserves a rant thread on it's own from my perspective.

I just joked today how King may be able to beat Luffy if he just stalls him in his pteranodon form with flame on (which by the way deserves another award for stupid powers, it's a stupid ability with the manga providing no tick where and when his flame turns off), but this thread will be about Goofy

Gear 4 - time limit power up, always useless as it can't bring down top tiers in time (or even Kata and Cracker they weren't defeated on first time), no haki for 10 minutes

Gear 5 - time limit x2, even worse than G4, can never bring any opponent first time, consistent need of food

Victories for villains feel cheap because all they have to do is just stall for those forms to run out.

Gear 4 has become completely useless, and it makes no sense for Luffy to use it, just for for G2 + G3 combo then use Gear 5, he wasn't doing shit to Kizaru with G4 anyway - needed G5, zero reason to use Gear 4 just to eat too much energy/haki.

And we know why Oda added those elements - to drag out an arc. Luffy temporary out of fighting - draw Kuma flashback, characters running around etc.

Other problems - Luffy is supposed to be a zoan, awakened at that. These problems shouldn't exist, or not at this frequency.

If we get other mythical zoans in their awakened form, and they don't do some sort of outside their body control using their powers with awakening (like Kidd/Law/Kata/Luffy etc.,) what else to call this power but bullshit, asspull, no one can explain WHY he should be the exception to that rule. There's zero explanation.

Overall I like when powers go back to the roots of the characters, like Luffy in G5, or from dragon ball gt I liked the super sayian 4 transformation, looking like an actual transformation that went back to it's sayian roots, theme of the character. But watching fights involving Luffy have stopped being enjoyable due to the above reasons listed, before awakening even with G4 in general. The incoinsistent formula around his awakening and lack of explanations, stupid time limits overall make fights less enjoyable.

Some mentions:
@TheKnightOfTheSea @NikaInParis @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Blackbeard @TheAncientCenturion @ZenZu @RayanOO etc.

I'd put power ups or even MC fights instead lf superpowers personally

The same crutches he uses for Luffy's powers Oda uses for arcs at large - always some sort lf time limit, even seen at Egghead with VP's broadcast.

I like Luffy due to how he was in the past, but these constant time limits and 5-6 round fights are becoming a drag to read as a fan. I want him to have a resounding fight with a worthy oponent where he will actually complete the fight before any haki/food refuel is needed

 

[Salah WG]

I never cared what Luffy gonna do in his Fights tbh. The Main Highlight for me was his Opponents
I enjoyed Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Doffy, Kata, Kaidou, Wyper, Oars, Kizaru, other Admirals ... etc

Since Luffy vs Buggy, it was made clear that Luffy's Combat is a Joke
Sometimes We get those Epic & Serious Moments but They shouldn't be taken as the rule

 

[Jailer]

I never cared what Luffy gonna do in his Fights tbh. The Main Highlight for me was his Opponents
I enjoyed Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Doffy, Kata, Kaidou, Wyper, Oars, Kizaru, other Admirals ... etc

Since Luffy vs Buggy, it was made clear that Luffy's Combat is a Joke
Sometimes We get those Epic & Serious Moments but They shouldn't be taken as the rule

Yeah that's not even the problem, there are other issues I underlined regarding his abilities being asspull-ish, his combat being a joke was always a given.

Hope other mythical zoan awakenings work in a similar manner as Luffy's, otherwise we had other shonen get shat on when rules of the verse were broken without an explanation. If Luffy is the exception, there's no reason why he's an exception to have paramecia like awakening (that affects things outside of his body control with powers) + zoan stuff, except Luffy gets massive ddawbacks any other zoan wont get

Basically what I adressed above among thise points

 

[Cruxroux]

Other problems - Luffy is supposed to be a zoan, awakened at that. These problems shouldn't exist, or not at this frequency.

That's precisely I don't put luffy at top tiers currently.

I have debated it all the time. Luffy time limit is worst. He can fight 10-15 minutes at best in gear 5 form.

And thing below that was negged by both Kaidou and Kizaru.

People place luffy , Law , Kidd at yonkou level without realizing All three of them dish out awakening right of the bat and awakening is supposed to be more exhaustive. Below that they won't stand a chance again.

People are making the same mistakes as they did during WCI arc , placing luffy actually near Emperor as he was called fifth emperor. After besting Katakuri that was next stage.

But in reality he got negged by kaidou in first 1v1.
A main character who ran away mid fight with Doflamingo , Katakuri , Kaidou. And only lasted with Cracker only because of nami and him constantly consuming biscuits.

Those who place luffy at top tier.
Answer one simple question -
" Name me any Yonkou who would self sabotage after 10-15 min of fighting , No damage taken and rendered useless for next 15-20 minutes where anyone can kill ".


Luffy is potrayed to be strong when he isn't.
Luffy ways of getting stronger is , Using Performance mode at full throttle and Run out dry faster. Where as other are at balanced or economy mode and lasts longer with Decent performance.

- Gear 4 Explanation itself said , It uses Devil fruit capablities to the fullest with a Blast of haki.

The haki he was supposed to be using for let's say 1 hours , He burns it in 15 mins and hence more power. That's the logic behind Luffy powers.

People Say base luffy is strong. Yes he is , I'm not denying but So is garp. Luffy doesn't burn haki faster in base mode than gear 4 and gear 5.

Base was basically , 1 hour of balanced use of fight , with barely any DF used. Except gear 2 I guess which he already mastered.
Luffy split skies in base mode not in Gear 4 or gear 5.

At base Luffy Haki output is stronger and Lasts longer. Moment he turns to gears , Devil exhaustion also piles up.

Making it the worst case 15 minutes scenario.

That's why I say.

People like ,
- Whitebeard , Bigmam, Law , Kidd , Fujitora , would indefinitely rely on Devil fruit powers instead of Haki , even though some of them have advanced Haki. Their Stamina burning rate would be insane.
- Whitebeard didn't use haki even once in marineford , if you wanna say he had heart attack , In ace novel he fought With ace , with barely in Haki used apart from just materializing Logia power to hold or damage. There was no advanced technique involved.
- same go with Fujitora and Bigmam. Capable of haki would still choose to hold on devil fruit ability because they prefer it that way.
- Both whitebeard and Fujitora uses Supreme grade Weapon to utilize maximum potential of their Devil fruit Strength.
- I don't have to comment on law and kidd. They have zero feats when in comes Haki.

And for Zoans , Like Kaidou/Yamato/Luffy.
They all work similar with Extended powers from mythical zoan and extra durablity. But only when used how it was supposed to be using.
Luffy in base is already hybrid , Gear 2 at best.
Rest are burning away his own life to get more stronger.

Zoan Works differently then other Devil fruit class.
Enhanced Physical activity + Haki is their go to. That's why Kaidou , Yamato , Lucci , Luffy are strong in base/Hybrid.
Luffy fruit is the only one which works like that.


Pure Haki users like
Roger , Shanks , Garp , Mihawk , Zoro.
They only rely on their Haki that's it. So these guys will have indefinitely better haki than above users.