Character Discussion How relevant will Law be in the final saga?

[Monkey D Theories]

Ivankov and Dragon also theorized that Vegapunk helped destroyed lulusia with an ancient weapon and it turns out they were right

dialogue like this is literally the author giving us clues

Iva’s statement suggests that there is a person who has ope ope no mi immortality.

But this person might not be Imu. Again, Imu’s powers are simply beyond the scope of ope ope no mi immortality. He can grant this power to others, suggesting it might be something else entirely.

I think it’s very possible that the one with ope ope no mi immortality might instead be the burned man.

 

[SkySanji]

He was right about the ancient weapon in the same scene he was talking about Imu…

It’s almost as if we’re supposed to put weight on the words being spoken there, as if Oda laying down the basis for the eventual reveal…

So because he's been right about something before it means he's right about everything

You can put weight on it, idrc lol, but the Ope gives specifically eternal youth, and Imu can make other characters immortal, nothing about that seems like it comes from the Ope.

 

[Roo]

Iva’s statement suggests that there is a person who has ope ope no mi immortality.

But this person might not be Imu. Again, Imu’s powers are simply beyond the scope of ope ope no mi immortality. He can grant this power to others, suggesting it might be something else entirely.

I think it’s very possible that the one with ope ope no mi immortality might instead be the burned man.

Iva heavily implies that person is Imu as they’re the one being talked about. Imu is the same person who was one of the 20 kings.

it could be the burned scar man, but Doffy’s entire dialogue about using the OP OP no mi to become king of the world and his parallels to Imu heavily hints at Imu being the recipient of the immortality surgery

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Because you’re literally obsessed with downplaying Law’s role and strength

seriously, all your post about law are that. Take a step back and reassess before you turn into another retard like skysanji

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And Iva had no idea what nuked lulusia yet theorized it was an ancient weapon and they were right

how many of you have read stories outside of one piece? It is pretty obvious when the author speaks through characters to drop clues or rules about his story, this instance was one of them

Iva also said VP built the weapon, which was false. VP merely built the power source.

Anyways I’m not downplaying law. I said he’d face Imu and beat an admiral.

I just don’t think he’s portrayed as a major player in the final saga like he was in the Vs yonko saga. I don’t think he gets an equivalent of the Big Mom fight or a major character arc like in dressrosa.

 

[park_min young]

So because he's been right about something before it means he's right about everything

First, Ivankov is totally fucking clueless, we the reader have wayyyyyyyyy more information about Imu than Ivankov does

Second, again, the Ope gives eternal youth, it's been stated within the manga, Imu like the Gorosei is obviously just unkillable, they regenerate, that's far more than eternal youth.

Immortality has always been linked to ope ope. The fact that Doffy covets it means that he probably knows about the Gorosei and Imu’s secret. And you’re the one making unnecessary assumptions about the limitations of eternal youth surgery. Why tf would Doffy want it so bad if he can still be killed through damage? It’s also the only ability in the verse that has such high requirements (one’s own life).

Infinite biological regeneration is also the pot of gold in the medical field, what the gorosei are showing could be the ope ope’s works.

 

[SkySanji]

Immortality has always been linked to ope ope. The fact that Doffy covets it means that he probably knows about the Gorosei and Imu’s secret. And you’re the one making unnecessary assumptions about the limitations of eternal youth surgery. Why tf would Doffy want it so bad if he can still be killed through damage? It’s also the only ability in the verse that has such high requirements (one’s own life).

Infinite biological regeneration is also the pot of gold in the medical field, what the gorosei are showing could be the ope ope’s works.

Eternal youth isn't regenerating all damage and being unkillable.

Why would Doflamingo want the ability to never die of old age/natural causes? Hmm... I wonder.

No, it's obvious Imu is the one who makes the Gorosei immortal, and he can take it away any time he chooses, nothing to do with the Ope.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I think he will have broadly similar but perhaps lesser presence as to what he had in Wano, where in the end him, Kid and Big Mom were relegated to a sideshow to the main story of Kaido, Oden and Wano.

He is a D, a strong ally, has his dream and the Ope Ope, which guarantees a certain level of relevancy.

Now, all the above can be qualified, which is why he won’t be one of the main figures
-there are more relevant Ds (Luffy, Dragon, Blackbeard, Vivi, maybe even Garp)
-there are stronger allies, and other allies on Law’s general level
-his dream is subsumed by Robin’s
-the Ope Ope may or may not be a red herring (does Ivankov give the answer to the reader a bit too easily, and maybe there is another immortal around instead?)

 

[park_min young]

Eternal youth isn't regenerating all damage and being unkillable.

Why would Doflamingo want the ability to never die of old age/natural causes? Hmm... I wonder.

No, it's obvious Imu is the one who makes the Gorosei immortal, and he can take it away any time he chooses, nothing to do with the Ope.

Doffy thinks he can rule the world with this and Mary Geoise’s treasure. How tf would he think that he’s unstoppable if he knows that you can still kill him through brute force. The same guy was afraid of facing top-tiers but was so confident that he’d rule over everyone once he gets both of these.

We also have a young looking gorosei in Ju Peter and Saturn looked the same since 200 years ago. Once Imu shares it, they are essentially ageless and immortal. This phenomenon has immortality surgery written all over it.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kidd fan salty about law's importance lol

 

[SkySanji]

Doffy thinks he can rule the world with this and Mary Geoise’s treasure. How tf would he think that he’s unstoppable if he knows that you can still kill him through brute force. The same guy was afraid of facing top-tiers but was so confident that he’d rule over everyone once he gets both of these.

We also have a young looking gorosei in Ju Peter and Saturn looked the same since 200 years ago. Once Imu shares it, they are essentially ageless and immortal. This phenomenon has immortality surgery written all over it.

Doflamingo was planning to control the world with Mary Geoise treasure + the Ope in general, he says powers plural, not specifically just the eternal youth ability, he even comments on the personality transplant ability as well, it's obvious to me at least that he'd have tried to use it to swap bodies with Imu, but what you're asking doesn't have a factual answer because Doflamingo's dialogue was left vague intentionally.

Gorosei are truly immortal, unaging and undying, Ope by the very name of it's ability "Perennial Youth Surgery" does not give the latter, only the former, and again, if the source of their immortality is the Ope, how come Imu can give and take it? Does Imu have the Ope Ope no Mi?

 

[park_min young]

Doflamingo was planning to control the world with Mary Geoise treasure + the Ope in general, he says powers plural, not specifically just the eternal youth ability, he even comments on the personality transplant ability as well, it's obvious to me at least that he'd have tried to use it to swap bodies with Imu, but what you're asking doesn't have a factual answer because Doflamingo's dialogue was left vague intentionally.

Gorosei are truly immortal, unaging and undying, Ope by the very name of it's ability "Perennial Youth Surgery" does not give the latter, only the former, and again, if the source of their immortality is the Ope, how come Imu can give and take it? Does Imu have the Ope Ope no Mi?

The ultimate technique of the ultimate df worth 5 bill doesn’t give you both sides of the immortality? Lol.
You are making things way more complicated with your story of Doffy wanting to swap bodies with Imu 😂. That shit won’t even work since Doffy has done his thorough research on ope ope’s limitations. He’s aware that strong enough haki can resist hax moves. At the end of it all, he gassed up ope ope’s abilities and highlighted the immortality surgery as the thing he covets.

We don’t know much about Imu but he could have had it done on him and he has an abilitiy that can transfer some of his powers unto others. Saturn looked like he died because he returned to his original age btw.

 

[SkySanji]

The ultimate technique of the ultimate df worth 5 bill doesn’t give you both sides of the immortality? Lol.
You are making things way more complicated with your story of Doffy wanting to swap bodies with Imu 😂. That shit won’t even work since Doffy has done his thorough research on ope ope’s limitations. He’s aware that strong enough haki can resist hax moves. At the end of it all, he gassed up ope ope’s abilities and highlighted the immortality surgery as the thing he covets.

We don’t know much about Imu but he could have had it done on him and he has an abilitiy that can transfer some of his powers unto others. Saturn looked like he died because he returned to his original age btw.

Yes, why are you acting like never aging/dying of illness is some shitty ability, it's fucking broken and would be highly sought after by anyone...

Buddy you can't call me out for assumptions when your entire argument is based on three entirely baseless ones

1. Law being able to remove immortality, something never implied anywhere
2. An ability called "Perennial Youth Surgery" doing more than granting eternal youth
3. Imu being given immortality through the Ope but being able to transfer that to others for some reason

 

[park_min young]

Yes, why are you acting like never aging/dying of illness is some shitty ability, it's fucking broken and would be highly sought after by anyone...

Buddy you can't call me out for assumptions when your entire argument is based on three entirely baseless ones

1. Law being able to remove immortality, something never implied anywhere
2. An ability called "Perennial Youth Surgery" doing more than granting eternal youth
3. Imu being given immortality through the Ope but being able to transfer that to others for some reason

Except my assumptions aren’t as baseless as yours.

We’ve already established that the gorosei has shown facets of eternal youth. And never aging plus immune to any illness means that your body is constantly regenerating new cells, your old cells constantly gets replaced. All of this points to their agelessness being tied to their regenerative abilities. It’s like you’ve never seen Deadpool or other pseudo-immortals in fiction before.

This is literally a much better assumption than whatever scenario you’re conjuring up with Doflamingo. It is perfectly obvious that Doffy wants the immortality surgery btw but you’re twisting it into something else entirely 😂

Imu being connected to the gorosei has already been implied. They not only have telepathy with Imu but Imu also felt JB’s haki through them.

Also, the one who can give the surgery can reverse it, this is a stupid thought process because?

 

[SkySanji]

Except my assumptions aren’t as baseless as yours.

You're right, they're far, far, far more baseless.

We’ve already established that the gorosei has shown facets of eternal youth. And never aging plus immune to any illness means that your body is constantly regenerating new cells, your old cells constantly gets replaced. All of this points to their agelessness being tied to their regenerative abilities. It’s like you’ve never seen Deadpool or other pseudo-immortals in fiction before.

I'm really not interested in your pathetic attempt at reinventing what eternal youth is, like you're either an idiot or just trolling to pretend that it's something more than unaging.

This is literally a much better assumption than whatever scenario you’re conjuring up with Doflamingo. It is perfectly obvious that Doffy wants the immortality surgery btw but you’re twisting it into something else entirely 😂

I never said Doflamingo didn't want the eternal youth surgery, he obviously did, but he wanted to use multiple of the Ope's powers to accomplish his plan, not just that single one.

Imu being connected to the gorosei has already been implied. They not only have telepathy with Imu but Imu also felt JB’s haki through them.

Connected telepathically but still separate individuals with separate bodies and personalities.

Also, the one who can give the surgery can reverse it, this is a stupid thought process because?

It's entirely baseless and not implied anywhere.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Doffy thinks he can rule the world with this and Mary Geoise’s treasure. How tf would he think that he’s unstoppable if he knows that you can still kill him through brute force. The same guy was afraid of facing top-tiers but was so confident that he’d rule over everyone once he gets both of these.

We also have a young looking gorosei in Ju Peter and Saturn looked the same since 200 years ago. Once Imu shares it, they are essentially ageless and immortal. This phenomenon has immortality surgery written all over it.

How much do you think Doffy actually knows about Imu or the gorosei?

He was only in mariejois as a child.

Didn’t the average CD not even know about the void century?

 

[Necrohol]

He will be a yonko level ally and rival, just like Kidd. Each of them will also defeat a yonko.

 

[park_min young]

You're right, they're far, far, far more baseless.

I'm really not interested in your pathetic attempt at reinventing what eternal youth is, like you're either an idiot or just trolling to pretend that it's something more than unaging.

I never said Doflamingo didn't want the eternal youth surgery, he obviously did, but he wanted to use multiple of the Ope's powers to accomplish his plan, not just that single one.

Connected telepathically but still separate individuals with separate bodies and personalities.

It's entirely baseless and not implied anywhere.

You sound like a broken record at this point, thank you for wasting my time. I appreciate it

How much do you think Doffy actually knows about Imu or the gorosei?

He was only in mariejois as a child.

Didn’t the average CD not even know about the void century?

He obviously knows more than he should. Doffy is not your average CD, he has motivations to dig up more info.

 

[Monkey D Monkey]

Law has had a longer tie to the D name since he was one of the few characters in the pre ts to acknowledge it

There are a good amount of D characters, but Law is the only ope fruit user tied to a major villain.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

I think it's likely that Imu can "share" the immortality from the Op Op no Mi and can cancel it in someway. Maybe just through haki or the "sharing" ability

 

[ZoroFan23]

More relevant than whatever Oda had planned for dead boy Kidd.