Character Discussion How strong is mid 20's Saint Saint Shanks

#1
When Dorry and Broggy are comparing Shanks haki to Joyboy's, speculating if it's even stronger than Joyboys haki, they are pulling from their memory of an instance of Shanks showing haki that had to have been in the same ballpark.

The only instance then, that actually makes sense, would have to have been the Loki incident. (Unless some mad lad is going to have the audacity to say they were comparing it to Shanks divine departure)

Therefore, the last time they saw Shanks use his most powerful haki, was in elbaph. Where dorry and broggy witnessed it.

Therefore, they are comparing a mid 20's shanks haki, to joyboys.

If using more mass results in a stronger affect, then it makes sense then that they are comparing a time where shanks was forced also used a great amount of mass.

It may even be the case that, Oda decided to touch upon this kind of explanation, before we see shanks do a similar thing.

If this is indeed the case it's of course crazy but, I think this has to at-least happen if Oda wants to illicit some sense of shock from the readers.

Anyway because of that, although Oda's statement about shanks talent doesn't specify he emulated Divine Departure when he was on rogers crew. It would make sense it was the case, if what I said is true.

Because only that amount of talent could justify a mid 20's shanks being that strong.

There are some panels that support this:

Buggy specifically talking about shanks shining with potential when he was on rogers crew and this panel shows shanks with his sword out, and seemingly roger patting him on the head (presumably after showing him divine departure)

The second panel:

Is Buggy talking about how Shanks is supposed to be the King of the next Generation. Why would buggy, who was on the crew and saw monsters like roger wb ray etc, have so much faith in this kid shanks, unless he already showed crazy potential to actually be the "King of the next generation" which is obviously making a parallel to Roger.

This wouldn't just be him swinging his sword around with lots of skill or having an aptitude to learn, this should be Shanks literally being able to emulate an adv coc move as a kid without instruction.

It's not an impossibility, it also upscales both shanks and Mihawk, which is the reason for this post.
 
#6
Stronger than current Luffy's haki.

Shanks can use Kamusari at age 15 without someone directly teaching him.

A 20+ year old Shanks has more time to hone his haki skills than current Luffy or Zoro who just unlocked AdvCOC.

Buggy giving up because of Shanks is rational.
 
#9
Bare minimum the weakest possible top tier. Nobody would say King and Katakuri fighting shakes the seas like Saint Shanks and Mihawk did with their duels.
That’s stretching it I think, people overhype what Whitebeard said, the context was talking about the past, so two guys like Shanks and Mihawk dueling in the old days is a legend of the past. Could’ve been Ace level for all we know.
Pretty strong but not exactly there yet
 
#10
Using shanks bounty to scale him is a horrible idea.

That would be like using kidd and laws bounties to say they are = to luffy, when we know this isn't the case.

Moreover, if shanks really had the ability to cancel observation haki, show me a top tier doing this let alone any 1b bil berry man.

let alone any YC1. Rayleigh said among the strongest are those who can see into the future, he never then mentioned among those strongest are those who can even cancel out said ability.

Therefore, Shanks 1 bil bounty is just him causing enough ruckus to get 1 billion. but he clearly had abilities above that of a yc1
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I think i changed by mind on my own post anyway, shanks captured loki only 6 years ago right, which means when he was at elbpah when loki killed harald he didn't beat loki then, which was 14 years ago

for some reason my brain sort of melded the two events together. So even if we do get a clash between loki and shanks now, it won't be shanks beating him.

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but yeah even with that I think 20's shanks is defo over commander level easily
 
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#12
Shanks only became top tier around 6 years ago and was raised to the position of yonko.

You don't reach prime top tier status in your 20s. Rocks pirates made that very clear. Even in early 30s it's debatable. SHs are exceptions being protags here.
 
#19
The only instance then, that actually makes sense, would have to have been the Loki incident. (Unless some mad lad is going to have the audacity to say they were comparing it to Saint Shanks divine departure)
What Loki incident?
 
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