Current Events How to make us root for Luffy more as a character and powerhouse?

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And no feedback answer...
I mean you more or less agree with my suggestion or give another suggestion, i also agree with your ideas for example about Snakeman should just be fast enough to overcome FS etc

Luffy is already great, your "ideas" would make all the arcs feel shit without him stuggling to defeat anyone.



Just look at Zoro, until Onigashima he fighted weak enemies and his fights were just boring.
I feelt like Luffy's "struggle" was mostly fake tho? Hody and Doflamingo i mean. Except starting from Cracker, the struggle was justified from that point imo. Also i didnt like Kata's Merienda-selfstabbing-Flampe stuff since it degrades Luffy's own struggle to overcome Mochi-Awakened FS user, i mean he shouldve handled it himself by experimenting his rubber DF and haki midfight, just like how Luffy usually do (instead of relying on other factors weakening his enemies).

Also his defeats by Kaidou were redundant imo, too dragging and not compact, thats why i think Luffy should recognize the powerlevel gap at the instance he met BM and Kaidou, and aim to retreat at WCI himself instead. Luffy can always struggle at WCI, to beat Kata, and next to merely escape from BM since we can put tension and struggle at critical point, not at every stop like Hody oh tine for tension Dofla oh time fot tension Cracker oh time for tension Kata oh time for tension. That kind of dilution reduced the hype when it should matter the most (Kaidou at Wano) imo, i mean if Luffy struggled at every arc enemies then how would he be worthy to challenge Kaidou, even? its only natural that the plot itself would need Luffy to do multiple huge powerjumps and lucky lotteries once he met Kaidou, just like how it happens now, reducing the relatable powerlevel progress and his character progress as a whole.
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I thought we want to lessen luffy's impact in the story to give more focus to other supporting cast?
What is it
My post just covers Luffy's part tho, not the others, not Luffy's spotlite either, i mean we can always put other crew members in the on-panel fights against their own opponents compared to Luffy, since Luffy's fights are too dragging. I mean this way, Luffy didnt need excuse to hype his opponents, the fights will be more concise and efficient in my scenario lol, except for Katakuri and Kaidou. That way, other strawhats also get their on-panel time to shine instead of Luffy fighting Holdem and Batman lol
 
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#22
The problem is simple. Luffy didn't earn his spot 1v1 with Kaido. The man went down after one single hit just a week prior, learns one new technique, and now can stand toe to toe (for the most part) with Kaido. Luffy in Gear 4 went down to base Kaido, and now base Luffy is withstanding Hybrid Kaido... the leap in power is so astronomically unbelievable that I can't simply root for Luffy anymore. He didn't earn any of this.

I thought haki was supposed to bloom in intense situations? What intense thing happened in the Udon matches to boost Luffy this much?

The bullshit power ups was annoying in Enies Lobby, not just here. I had just hoped that Oda learned his lesson after shoehorning it in last time he needed to boost the SHs... but obviously he learned nothing.
 
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#23
Luffy beat Kata by inventing reflex-oriented or speed-oriented techniques by himself mid-fight, defeating FS by his own invented technique instead of copying FS
Who did luffy copy snake man from? He created a fast version of previous gear 4 attacks that he created.
Entering Wano as barely Emperor level, no redundant defeat, and standing at solid Emperor level with a mid-fight PU and enlightment against Kaidou, not copying Kaidou's AdvCoC technique but finding a unique AdvCoC-AdvCoA-Rubber fusion technique of his own which is radically different from Kaidou's AdvCoC application (for example Internal Destruction AdvCoC), thus defeating Kaidou with original technique
Um last time I check luffy vs kaido is still going and there's is nothing to say luffy luffy new gear4 form/gear, it happen last time with katakuri he gained the ability to see the future but it wasn't enough so brought out something to fight katakuri.
No Pirate Messiah or destiny-prophesized chosen one Luffy, Nika myth is about Kaidou instead but Luffy defeats him, creating his own legend and fairy tale.
Oh great Criticisizeing something knowing very little about it or how oda will write it in the futures I've seen this before and it's still dumb.

If you want know why I don't comment on the rest of your points because it's all fan fiction that changes what one piece and luffy is, thing is criticisizeing one piece writing I'm fine with but when you think completely changing luffy character is just stupid , a character that we have been reading for 597 chapter suddenly completely change how how acts after the timeskip there would've been a large backlash, there's way more people who like luffy how he is than who dont like him.
 
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Herrera95

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Luffy is already great, your "ideas" would make all the arcs feel shit without him stuggling to defeat anyone.



Just look at Zoro, until Onigashima he fighted weak enemies and his fights were just boring.
His fights weren't boring. They were clean. This just hype our expections since Oda didn't allowed Zoro going all out against Doffy and Fujitora and also removed him from WCI. Making us believe he would be a real threat to top tiers, Yonkos included.

Luffy struggling is not the problem, the problem is the giant gap Oda made him struggle to give an ambiguous sensation of winning at the end.

Luffy struggling doesn't mean the fight is good. Luffy vs Hody and Caesar were shit because he struggled. Would be a lot better if he didn't like Zoro fights.
 
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Bump. After 1044, how do you all think about Luffy's power development? Do you think theres too much messiah and chosen one vibe regarding Luffy currently, without proper creative process from his own effort? Do you have any ideas (alternate scenarios?) in order for us to root for Luffy again?
 
#28
Oda only need to do one thing to make Luffy better

STOP KOING HIM IN EVERY BIG FIGHT, seriously, there is no tension behind Luffy's fights anymore because of that, we all know even if a villain threatens to remove his head or watever before beating him, Luffy will somehow survive and get back up as if nothing ever happened...
What was the point in KOing Luffy out of the roof, make him come back, just to KO him again? If hes gonna awake his DF you hardly need to make Kaido destroy the protagonost twice in a row, make Luffy realise how to use advCoC while fighting, make Kaido kill him and ressurect him with awakening or warever.

Making Luffy smart and a tactician would actualy destroy his character, remenber this is the guy that almost drowned when fighting some fodder fishmen, and almost got his head chopped off by Buggy in the east blue for one simple reason: He is a dumbass, a likable dumbass, but still a dumbass.
:cheers:
 
#29
Bump. After 1044, how do you all think about Luffy's power development? Do you think theres too much messiah and chosen one vibe regarding Luffy currently, without proper creative process from his own effort? Do you have any ideas (alternate scenarios?) in order for us to root for Luffy again?
I still do root for Luffy, but I can already feel that his eventual victory over Kaido won't feel nearly as satisfying as it could/should have been.

If Oda was gonna make Kaido as ridiculously strong as he is, then he should have just let roofpiece play out instead of forcing Luffy into a 1v1 to give him all the glory but then still letting him get KO'd 3 times.

What I would've done:
  • Keep everything that happened until 1010
  • Split the fights into Kid, Law and Killer vs. Big Mom & Luffy, Zoro and Yamato vs. Kaido
    • This would also allow Kid and Law to actually defeat BM without plot help and also not force Killer to fight fodder
  • Have Luffy awaken ACoC and incorporate it into G4 for a new version as his trump card
  • Have Zoro awaken KoH mode right after he scars Kaido and keep fighting for a bit longer
  • Have Yamato and Zoro gas out fast due to Zoro being heavily injured from Hakai, and then let Luffy get the final few blows on Kaido for the W
  • Save awakening for Luffy's final fight
 

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#30
Oda only need to do one thing to make Luffy better

STOP KOING HIM IN EVERY BIG FIGHT, seriously, there is no tension behind Luffy's fights anymore because of that, we all know even if a villain threatens to remove his head or watever before beating him, Luffy will somehow survive and get back up as if nothing ever happened...
What was the point in KOing Luffy out of the roof, make him come back, just to KO him again? If hes gonna awake his DF you hardly need to make Kaido destroy the protagonost twice in a row, make Luffy realise how to use advCoC while fighting, make Kaido kill him and ressurect him with awakening or warever.

Making Luffy smart and a tactician would actualy destroy his character, remenber this is the guy that almost drowned when fighting some fodder fishmen, and almost got his head chopped off by Buggy in the east blue for one simple reason: He is a dumbass, a likable dumbass, but still a dumbass.
:cheers:
Not even Goku lost so many times against Frieza

Luffy really took so many Ls, at least he always stood back up on his feet :crazwhat:
 
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