How will you rank espadas based on Strength in Arrancar arc?

[park_min young]

Well you worded it terribly, do better next time. Aizen knew Gin would betray him, that isn't "having an idea", that is him literally knowing for a fact. I already told you, Aizen does not need to see something with his eyes to be aware of it, his monologue to Ichigo directly proves that.

No, the line was Ulquiorra saying that he never showed Aizen the form, which can be true without making it impossible that Aizen is aware of it. Ulquiorra's form not being factored into the rankings is headcanon. Proof that you haven't read the manga

Yammy is an Espada and he is far stronger than Ulquiorra, thus your claim that Ulquiorra is the strongest is wrong.

My sentence was clearly referring to Aizen, you just failed to read it properly as usual. Aizen knew about Gin’s betrayal but not the full extent of his abilities, which I already emphasized, please read properly for the nth time lol. Aizen was genuinely shocked and fearful when Gin revealed his bankai. Aizen did not know when or how Gin would betray him, only that the intent was there, so he never fully let his guard down until he became overconfident after merging with the Hōgyoku.

The reason for Ulquiorra’s statement was to recontextualize his power. He claimed that only he had attained such a transformation, noting that he was special from the rest. Uryuu reinforced this by saying Ulquiorra’s reiatsu was so overwhelming that it didn’t even resemble a reiatsu lol. Ulquiorra’s feats also blows Halibel’s out of the water so his 4th ranking was already wrong from the get-go and destroys your argument. If Aizen took into consideration his second release (which the story clearly implies that he didn’t) then he would have at least made Ulquiorra above Halibel.

 

[SkySanji]

Aizen knew about Gin’s betrayal but not the full extent of his abilities, which I already emphasized, please read properly for the nth time lol. Aizen was genuinely shocked and fearful when Gin revealed his bankai. Aizen did not know when or how Gin would betray him, only that the intent was there, so he never fully let his guard down until he became overconfident after merging with the Hōgyoku.

The reason for Ulquiorra’s statement was to recontextualize his power. He claimed that only he had attained such a transformation, noting that he was special from the rest. Uryuu reinforced this by saying Ulquiorra’s reiatsu was so overwhelming that it didn’t even resemble a reiatsu lol. Ulquiorra’s feats also blows Halibel’s out of the water so his 4th ranking was already wrong from the get-go and destroys your argument. If Aizen took into consideration his second release (which the story clearly implies that he didn’t) then he would have at least made Ulquiorra above Halibel.

Aizen not knowing about Gin's Bankai's true ability =/= Aizen not knowing about Ulquiorra's second form, as I said, it is headcanon to claim he didn't know because we are never told that he does not know, only that Ulquiorra himself never showed it to him.

Cool, he's still below Yammy and therefore not the strongest Espada

 

[MonsterKaido]

R1 yammy couldn't even touch bankai ichigo with half his powers and only was able to get a hold on ichigo as ichigo was surprised if his new mask.

R1 ulquiorra was blitzing masked bankai ichigo.

 

[SkySanji]

R1 yammy couldn't even touch bankai ichigo with half his powers and only was able to get a hold on ichigo as ichigo was surprised if his new mask.

R1 ulquiorra was blitzing masked bankai ichigo.

Ichigo got stronger after curb stomping Ulquiorra, and either way, full power Yammy is stronger than full power Ulquiorra, feats don't magically erase five or six statements about Yammy being stronger.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Ichigo got stronger after curb stomping Ulquiorra, and either way, full power Yammy is stronger than full power Ulquiorra, feats don't magically erase five or six statements about Yammy being stronger.

Even then we are comparing hollow mask ichigo to bankai ichigo with half his power.

R1 ulquiorra is simply much more impressive than R1 yammy.

Kenny needed kendo to beat nnoitora but was dominating R1 yammy with his eyepatch.

R2 yammy was off screened by kenny was disappointed by him so he didn't seem much of a big deal.

 

[SkySanji]

Even then we are comparing hollow mask ichigo to bankai ichigo with half his power.

R1 ulquiorra is simply much more impressive than R1 yammy.

Kenny needed kendo to beat nnoitora but was dominating R1 yammy with his eyepatch.

R2 yammy was off screened by kenny was disappointed by him so he didn't seem much of a big deal.

Well Ichigo's growth rate is ridiculous, even during the fight with Ulquiorra, immediately after being blitzed that one time, he is dodging his projectiles and blocking his attacks, he clearly became much stronger after defeating Ulquiorra.

And sure Yammy looks mid, and his main fight was off-screened, that's like the only argument people have for shitting on him, doesn't change that he's called the strongest every single time and Ulquiorra never is.

As for Kenpachi, some of his limiters were removed against Nnoitra.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Well Ichigo's growth rate is ridiculous, even during the fight with Ulquiorra, immediately after being blitzed that one time, he is dodging his projectiles and blocking his attacks, he clearly became much stronger after defeating Ulquiorra.

And sure Yammy looks mid, and his main fight was off-screened, that's like the only argument people have for shitting on him, doesn't change that he's called the strongest every single time and Ulquiorra never is.

As for Kenpachi, some of his limiters were removed against Nnoitra.

Ichigo got blitzed by cero oscurus.

Kenny's limiters were removed within the fight. He went from not being able to cut nnoitora to be able to do so. Kenny confirmed he would have died if it wasn't for kendo. Same kenny with eyepatch was destroying yammy.

 

[SkySanji]

Ichigo got blitzed by cero oscurus.

Kenny's limiters were removed within the fight. He went from not being able to cut nnoitora to be able to do so. Kenny confirmed he would have died if it wasn't for kendo. Same kenny with eyepatch was destroying yammy.

He wasn't blitzed by it he just wasn't able to avoid it, those aren't the same things, not every landed attack is a blitz.

Kenpachi negged Nnoitra at the end once some of his limiters were removed, Kenpachi at the end of the fight >>>>>>>>>>> Kenpachi at the start of the fight, that's how it works with him, his power varies depending on who he fights and how far they push him, that's why he can lose to Soul Society arc Shikai Ichigo but then beat Nnoitra who is stronger than the Grimmjow that took Bankai Hollow Ichigo to extreme diff, he is basically impossible to scale pre-TYBW.

Anyway, every statement puts Yammy > Ulquiorra, even if you like Ulquiorra more as a character and want to shit on Yammy because his feats aren't great and his fight was off-screen, that fact will never change.

 

[MonsterKaido]

He wasn't blitzed by it he just wasn't able to avoid it, those aren't the same things, not every landed attack is a blitz.

Kenpachi negged Nnoitra at the end once some of his limiters were removed, Kenpachi at the end of the fight >>>>>>>>>>> Kenpachi at the start of the fight, that's how it works with him, his power varies depending on who he fights and how far they push him, that's why he can lose to Soul Society arc Shikai Ichigo but then beat Nnoitra who is stronger than the Grimmjow that took Bankai Hollow Ichigo to extreme diff, he is basically impossible to scale pre-TYBW.

Anyway, every statement puts Yammy > Ulquiorra, even if you like Ulquiorra more as a character and want to shit on Yammy because his feats aren't great and his fight was off-screen, that fact will never change.

He was speed blitzed by cero oscurus. Otherwise he would have dodged it.

? Kenny before kendo was losing against nnoitra. He only won thanks to kendo. Same kenny then was dominating R1 yammy with eyepatch.

Kendo >> Kenny without eyepatch > Kenny with eyepatch.

Yeah yammy is ranked higher but he is a fraud imo.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Against nnoitra (No eyepatch)

Against R1 yammy (With eyepatch)

 

[SkySanji]

He was speed blitzed by cero oscurus. Otherwise he would have dodged it.

? Kenny before kendo was losing against nnoitra. He only won thanks to kendo. Same kenny then was dominating R1 yammy with eyepatch.

Kendo >> Kenny without eyepatch > Kenny with eyepatch.

Yeah yammy is ranked higher but he is a fraud imo.

So every landed attack is a blitz

Kenpachi didn't even use kendo to land the final hit, he just did a random swing to end Nnoitra lmao, Kenpachi at the end of the fight neg diffs Nnoitra with or without kendo.

That doesn't work because Kenpachi's power is constantly changing, end of fight Kenpachi with kendo >>>>>>>> middle of fight Kenpachi with kendo.

He's only a fraud because his full power was off-screened, but statements unanimously put him above Ulquiorra, even Ulquiorra himself puts the #1, #2 and #3 as stronger than him lmao and there's no reason for him to not factor his own R2 into that.

 

[MonsterKaido]

So every landed attack is a blitz

Kenpachi didn't even use kendo to land the final hit, he just did a random swing to end Nnoitra lmao, Kenpachi at the end of the fight neg diffs Nnoitra with or without kendo.

That doesn't work because Kenpachi's power is constantly changing, end of fight Kenpachi with kendo >>>>>>>> middle of fight Kenpachi with kendo.

He's only a fraud because his full power was off-screened, but statements unanimously put him above Ulquiorra, even Ulquiorra himself puts the #1, #2 and #3 as stronger than him lmao and there's no reason for him to not factor his own R2 into that.

I will assume you did not read the manga or forgotten about it. Kenny before using kendo move was losing to nnoitra. His own words --

We literally got training montage from kenny saying kendo >> His attacks with one arm. And this was kenny no eye patch.

Against R1 yammy, eyepatch Kenny dominating hard with one sword style--

 

[SkySanji]

I will assume you did not read the manga or forgotten about it. Kenny before using kendo move was losing to nnoitra. His own words --

We literally got training montage from kenny saying kendo >> His attacks with one arm. And this was kenny no eye patch.

Against R1 yammy, eyepatch Kenny dominating hard with one sword style--

Did you skip this part of the manga? Kenpachi only struggled with Nnoitra because he was limiting himself, this is why I said it is impossible to scale him pre-TYBW, he could struggle against a mid tier and then later destroy a top tier, his power is not consistent and varies depending on who he is fighting.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Did you skip this part of the manga? Kenpachi only struggled with Nnoitra because he was limiting himself, this is why I said it is impossible to scale him pre-TYBW, he could struggle against a mid tier and then later destroy a top tier, his power is not consistent and varies depending on who he is fighting.

And his limits were fully removed after facing against unohana. What has that to do with arrancar arc?

 

[MonsterKaido]

Did you skip this part of the manga? Kenpachi only struggled with Nnoitra because he was limiting himself, this is why I said it is impossible to scale him pre-TYBW, he could struggle against a mid tier and then later destroy a top tier, his power is not consistent and varies depending on who he is fighting.

Also "you barely beat nnoitora" is mentioned but no mention of fraud yammy.

 

[SkySanji]

And his limits were fully removed after facing against unohana. What has that to do with arrancar arc?

I already said why, he limits himself depending on the power of the person he is fighting, Nnoitra who is vastly weaker than Yammy would mean Kenpachi limits himself more to fight Nnoitra, thus your point is worthless, you can't compare feats between the two because they are essentially two entirely different versions of Kenpachi in terms of power.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I already said why, he limits himself depending on the power of the person he is fighting, Nnoitra who is vastly weaker than Yammy would mean Kenpachi limits himself more to fight Nnoitra, thus your point is worthless, you can't compare feats between the two because they are essentially two entirely different versions of Kenpachi in terms of power.

There was no moment of realisation like that. Kenny mentioned how his muscles had shrink when facing nnoitra and after fighting for a while he was able to bulk his muscle control. Against yammy kenny nerfed himself more by wearing his eye patch and not using kendo.

Even unohana only mentions kenny's growth when fighting nnoitra and not yammy.

 

[SkySanji]

There was no moment of realisation like that. Kenny mentioned how his muscles had shrink when facing nnoitra and after fighting for a while he was able to bulk his muscle control. Against yammy kenny nerfed himself more by wearing his eye patch and not using kendo.

Even unohana only mentions kenny's growth when fighting nnoitra and not yammy.

He restricted himself significantly less against Yammy because Yammy is vastly more powerful than Nnoitra is, it's the same shit with Ichigo and Nnoitra unless you think SS arc Shikai Ichigo = Res Nnoitra, he limits himself depending on the strength of his opponent to have a good fight.

You should actually read the manga instead of having me spoonfeed information to you from it.

 

[MonsterKaido]

He restricted himself significantly less against Yammy because Yammy is vastly more powerful than Nnoitra is, it's the same shit with Ichigo and Nnoitra unless you think SS arc Shikai Ichigo = Res Nnoitra, he limits himself depending on the strength of his opponent to have a good fight.

You should actually read the manga instead of having me spoonfeed information to you from it.

Your logic falls apart given kenny needed kendo a 2 handed strike to finish off nnoitra. Otherwise he would have simply gotten stronger and beaten nnoitra with his one hand style.

And again kenny was using eye patch against kenny.

Plus I am not debating R2 yammy but R1 yammy. Both kenny and ichigo in weaker modes performed better against R1 yammy than nnoitra or R1 ulquiorra.

Even Byakuya was clowning R1 yammy.

 

[SkySanji]

Your logic falls apart given kenny needed kendo a 2 handed strike to finish off nnoitra. Otherwise he would have simply gotten stronger and beaten nnoitra with his one hand style.

And again kenny was using eye patch against kenny.

Plus I am not debating R2 yammy but R1 yammy. Both kenny and ichigo in weaker modes performed better against R1 yammy than nnoitra or R1 ulquiorra.

Even Byakuya was clowning R1 yammy.

No he didn't, he used a regular slash to kill Nnoitra, I already told you that, again, just read the manga.

Spoiler

Kenpachi doesn't control his limiter, it is an unconscious thing, and it says match their power, not exceed it, again, these are both things stated in the scans that I've had to spoonfeed you.

Idgaf about R1 Yammy, full power Yammy > full power Ulquiorra.