Okay this is something else I've been wanting to talk about for a while and kind of adds to the last few threads/posts I've made.
For the past few years, around the time Luffy decided to sneak into WCI, I started to wonder if Wano would actually accomplish in defeating a Yonko or not. I've had a few serious discussions about whether Oda was just setting up WCI/Wano to piss off both Yonko and eventually converge into a later arc with both taking on the SHP. While that seemed outlandish at the time, the more time as gone on, I've been starting to get that feeling again:
- We left WCI with Luffy stealing a road poneglyph and defeating 2 Yonko Commanders, pissing off Big Mom.
- We are then teased in regards to Big Mom and Kaido having history and being a part of the same Pirate Crew.
- We are then shown that Big Mom and her entire crew followed Luffy to Wano
- Finally, it is revealed that the Rocks Pirates were the former crew both Yonko were part of and they are looking to start it again.
So in essence this thread is about the possibility of the Big Mom/Kaido/Rocks plot pooling over into future arc structures: Basically, Big Mom and Kaido possibly NOT going down in Wano Country. I know this may feel "unsettling" to some people, but I'm going to try and structure it in a way that may pique your interest as to why Oda is doing this:
I. The Rocks Plot
Firstly, is the huge red flag that is the Rocks Plot itself. Teased in Chapter 907 and further elaborated upon exactly 50 chapters after this, the Rocks Pirates were considered the most dangerous crew in the world. While all of this just seems like reasonable backstories for Big Mom and Kaido, something doesn't sit right with me when it comes to how both Garp and Sengoku talk about the crew:
Firstly, lets make it clear that Oda himself writes this dialogue and likely runs it over with his editor. So imagine that Oda is the voice of nearly every character in this series. Read Garp and Hina's dialogue here (this is official VIZ translations btw) as Oda's. It almost sounds as if Hina and Garp are talking about MORE than just Big Mom and Kaido through Oda's presented dialogue. BM and Kaido are subjects of the conversation beforehand, and they are already immense, present threats, but these 2 talk like Rocks itself or the other crew members will "return" as prominent threats.
Then there is Brannew and Sengoku's conversation in Chapter 957
Once again, while the discussion is primarily concentrated on Big Mom and Kaido and their current strength, these few pieces of dialogue stand out to me like Oda is trying to tease something in future about this crew. Things like "we don't know their goals or how we might counter them", namedropping other pirates in the crew, and even teasing Rocks D. Xebec himself, that while he is dead, was this intense persistent threat that almost seems like he's coming back in a way.
While we don't exactly know Kaido/BM's full past, it still feels strange to me that Oda decided to drop this history about Garp, Roger and the Rocks pirates this late into the game. The Marines seem actively concerned about it (on top of the other things they must worry about) and it is discussed through Oda as if this threat will return in full force.
A big point of this is how Oda drops names like Ochoku (Wang Zhi), Silver Axe, Shiki JUST as he did when Ivankov teased the exact Level 6 pirates that Blackbeard broke out. It almost feels like we will eventually be introduced to these characters in the future. Sure, there have been some counterpoints that Oda showed these characters as Zombies in Thriller Bark, but only Captain John was ever mentioned as a cameo there, and truly never seen again after Oars destroyed the group of General Zombies. But even further, there is support of these characters possibly still alive and existing:
II. Impel Down Level 6 Escapees
Waaaaaay back at the end of Marineford, Brannew and Sengoku discuss news that Brannew received about other Level 6 inmates escaping who didn't join with Blackbeard.
We know that many of these characters were "Silver Medalists", behind Roger/Whitebeard/etc. We also know this was covered up by the WG just Rocks, God Island, and much more. We also know that these characters are still at large according to a certain bounty hunter at Dressrosa.
To me, I think this is how Oda will connect the remaining Silver Medalist/Impel down escapee plotlines. We know these characters still exist and have still yet to be addressed this late into the story. And as you can see, Oda has still acknowledged them late as Dressrosa. Its possible that many of these escapees were former Rocks pirates, and this may be even why Oda created the Rocks pirates to begin with, to give a backstory to not only Kaido/Linlin, but to all of their fellow crewmates who were defeated at God Valley.
Not only this, there is a significant piece of the puzzle missing that I think can be answered by the next topic, and that is Whitebeard. These escapees, Shiki (who escaped at one point), Linlin and Kaido can all be accounted for the former crew, except Whitebeard and Rocks. However.....I think both live on in their own way. Firstly, Whitebeard.
III. Bakkin and Weevil
Whitebeard is dead. But as recently as post-Dressrosa, we were introduced to a character that is allegedly "Whitebeard incarnate". Lets bring our attention first to Edward Weevil
Weevil is one of the most oddball characters Oda has introduced into the series, and no, not because of his design/character, but because we have so very little to go with his plot. Bakkin seems to want to destroy all of the remaining Whitebeard pirates, as you can see from Chapter 802, Weevil is in the process of finding former WB allies and destroying entire islands (literal ships were shown dragged and thrown into cities engulfed in fire when Weevil was introduced). He then is told by Bakkin to go after Luffy, thinking that he may or may not know where Marco is (due to Bakkin believing there is treasure Whitebeard hid). After this point Chapter 956 shows that he lost his freedom to hunt pirates and is now being hunted by Marines, offsetting their plans to simply find Marco/Luffy.
Now that the Shichibukai have lost their protection against one of the 3 great powers, I have a feeling they will start to concede to and join up with other powers that be. I.e.:
- Hancock likely allying with Luffy (considered a "5th" emperor now)
- Kuma being immune to the whole thing considering his unique position
- Buggy allying with someone, possibly the Blackbeard Pirates for now (a Emperor). They seem to have similar "chaotic/control" mindsets.
- Mihawk possibly allying with Shanks (an Emperor), due to their history.
- Bakkin and Weevil possibly finding Kaido/Linlin due to Bakkin's "possible" history with them (a Yonko "duo") via Rocks.
As you can see, it almost seems like each Shichibukai has the potential, or former relationship to tie them back to an "Emperor" (including Luffy), with Kuma being the exception for obvious reasons.
Now...regardless if Weevil is actually the son of Whitebeard or not, there is a clear connection between Bakkin and Whitebeard, which was likely placed at a timeframe from when the Rocks Pirates were formed and disbanded (Marco discusses this in Chapter 909; 40 years ago). But peculiarly enough, like many other Rocks related characters and concepts introduced before/during Wano, save for Linlin and Kaido themselves, they are all MISSING from Wano, which leads me to my next topic.
IV: The Missing Concepts
The biggest tell to me why the Rocks plot may continue on beyond Wano is the fact that so many Rocks-centric characters/plot aren't even a part of Wano:
- Garp
- Former Roger Pirates
- Former Rocks Pirates save for Linlin/Kaido
- Possibly Weevil/Bakkin
- God Valley
- Rocks's overall goal related to Tenryuubito/King of the World
As well as a plethora of characters that should be involved in a world ending related threat like this (Marines/WG overall especially), but can't because of the fallout from something that happened at the Reverie that is related to Alabasta and Blackbeard racing after it against the Marines (likely Pluton).
To me, after Oda used Hina, Garp, Brannew and Sengoku to all tease Rocks as this impending threat that may occur once Kaido/Big Mom begin their alliance, doesn't it seem peculiar if Luffy just resolves the entire Rocks plot on his own with an unknown alliance? How would this pay off from the teasing Oda seems to be doing here? Essentially if Luffy and the alliance finish these 2 off here, it almost begs the question as to why Oda would even make the Marines "care" about this alliance. Sure, its dangerous, and they are prioritizing another threat right now, Oda could have certainly just wrote Wano to be such an isolated plotline that the Marines would have never heard about this alliance until after Luffy and company finished the issues at Wano.
But this pools over into another quick point:
V. Kaido and Big Mom's Overall Goal
A big part this even comes to what Kaido and Big Mom even want to do with each other. They pretty much said it back in Chapter 954:
This entirely aligns with Rocks's original goal essentially (to be "King of the World") and folds back to a point I made a section before. While this is clearly a goal Kaido/BM share, the ingredients related to this concept are entirely missing from Wano.
- Why did Rocks need to go to God Valley? What was so important there?
- Why did Roger/Garp protect the Tenryuubito? Is this why they are located on Mariejois now, at the heart of the WG?
- What use do Kaido/BM have with Wano now that they have allied and want to take over the world (this last bit is important)?
It almost doesn't make sense as to why or even how the Rocks "plot" could even be resolved at Wano when so many ingredients from this plot seem to be missing. It almost sounds like "Endgame" level plotwork at hand here.
VI. Power Scaling and Luffy
This is a certainly a big one, but I'm not going to spend to much time on it. Generally its the idea that Luffy and the alliance even have the strength to take down 2 Yonko overall or that their power will even be great enough to surpass them. Surely Oda can simply "write" his characters in a way that enables them to win, and that's a surefire possibility, but I want to bring up 2 major points that may suggest otherwise:
- If Luffy wins now, what does that say about Akainu, Blackbeard or any other future villain?
- If these 2 Yonko go down now, even through full teamup battles, how does the world power shift to a realistic scale that drives the remaining plot?
Will Luffy now be considered the impending threat as two Yonko were taken down, thereby diminishing Blackbeard or any other characters relevance? Even if Luffy won against Kaido/Linlin in a huge teamup battle, it's the idea that Rookies will have won and succeeded in defeating the two highest bounty pirates in the world before we even got to the other big/vital threats in the story.
VII. Big Mom and Elbaf
There is a pretty big chunk of the fanbase that believe Big Mom will be relevant beyond Wano due to her history with Elbaf. She still has yet to find out about Mother Caramel. Likely Streusen won't tell her (as his manipulation led to her crew in the first place), but the Elbaf giant who witnessed it could. Additionally, Lola is the center point of the current cover story, and she was nearly forced to marry Loki to form an alliance with the Giants.
If we can believe that BM will leave Wano, only to become relevant later at Elbaf, we could also believe that Kaido may be with her when this happens.
VIII. Blackbeard and Rocks
Before I mentioned that while Whitebeard and Rocks are currently dead, Weevil is likely the "Whitebeard" incarnate of the current crew iteration, while Blackbeard almost seems to be the "Rocks" incarnate. There have been many theories floating around that Marshall D. Teach is possibly Rocks D. Xebec's son. Hell, this COULD explain why Devon, Shot, Wolf and Pizarro all decided to follow Blackbeard. He is the "Rocks" leader they were looking for. The other escapees could have been silver medalists that either disliked Rocks or respected others more in the crew. A small point made here but if this is in fact true, then why would Kaido/Big Mom and the entire Rocks plot fade away at Wano only?
IX. The "Theory"
Chapter 979 is sort of what started this discussion and other threads have been talking about it now as well. What is Kaido's "Important" news regarding his son?
- Some people think its another wedding, to establish the alliance between Kaido/BM
- Some thing Yamato is BM/Kaido's only son together, thereby already establishing the alliance with BM/Kaido
- Some people thing Yamato has to do with a larger goal in mind to advance the plot and/or Kaido/BMs alliance.
The key point beyond all of this is that, apparently the news related to his son is "shocking". To a Yonko crew, I don't see how the first is at all shocking considering that should know what BM does with her alliances. The 2nd and 3rd options are more likely to be main topics of discussion. My "Theory" is a bit of both and a few more things:
- Yamato IS Kaido and Big Mom's son, establishing the alliance.
- Yamato is Kaido's "Ace", being the most suitable successor to his crew.
- Yamato is not THAT Young. While "bocchan" is used, VIZ decided to use "Young Master" again like Doflamingo. Interpretations are open to discussion.
- Yamato will lead the Big Mom Pirate/Beasts Pirate alliance.
- Kaido and Big Mom will leave Wano to find the remaining Rocks pirates in order for them to take over the world. They will no longer care about Wano.
- Yamato will serve as the main antagonist for Luffy for the Wano Arc.
- Wano will succeed in finishing the Samurai plotline, Luffy gaining allies for the Ultimate War, and ending the BM/Beasts Pirate crews, sans their Captains.
- Kaido/BM will recruit the former Silver Medalists/Impel Down escapees that were once part of the Rocks crew, as well as Edward Weevil, whom is considered to be similar to Prime Whitebeard.
Granted, the above relies on the fact that Yamato isn't young and is powerful (and not somewhat unreliable like the Ace card can be, as discussed in my other thread). So really, its all open to interpretation. We will find out in a few chapters how some of this will play out.
I wanted to make this thread because its almost nerve racking to think that Oda may in fact push the Yonko to all eventually be "endgame" or give Luffy even more time to grow as a character before taking them down. Rocks could quite literally end in Wano, or it could carry over to Elbaf as another full plot, or it could simply carry into the Endgame entirely like Blackbeard or Shanks or Akainu or the World Government. It makes you wonder why Oda threw in Rocks as a concept this late into the story. Its also just a lot to process when you take it all into account.
So give me your thoughts. Do you believe Oda is setting up Rocks to be a much more significant threat beyond Wano? Do you think Kaido/BM are done at Wano? Is BM continuing on to Elbaf? Are both? What are your theories about Rocks?
Tldr: If Yamato ends up being an antagonist and a very powerful foil for Luffy, prepare your butts for Big Mom and Kaido to possibly leave Wano entirely to fuck off with their Rocks plot lol. There is supported evidence that the majority of the Rocks plot isn't even centric to Wano.
For the past few years, around the time Luffy decided to sneak into WCI, I started to wonder if Wano would actually accomplish in defeating a Yonko or not. I've had a few serious discussions about whether Oda was just setting up WCI/Wano to piss off both Yonko and eventually converge into a later arc with both taking on the SHP. While that seemed outlandish at the time, the more time as gone on, I've been starting to get that feeling again:
- We left WCI with Luffy stealing a road poneglyph and defeating 2 Yonko Commanders, pissing off Big Mom.
- We are then teased in regards to Big Mom and Kaido having history and being a part of the same Pirate Crew.
- We are then shown that Big Mom and her entire crew followed Luffy to Wano
- Finally, it is revealed that the Rocks Pirates were the former crew both Yonko were part of and they are looking to start it again.
So in essence this thread is about the possibility of the Big Mom/Kaido/Rocks plot pooling over into future arc structures: Basically, Big Mom and Kaido possibly NOT going down in Wano Country. I know this may feel "unsettling" to some people, but I'm going to try and structure it in a way that may pique your interest as to why Oda is doing this:
I. The Rocks Plot
Firstly, is the huge red flag that is the Rocks Plot itself. Teased in Chapter 907 and further elaborated upon exactly 50 chapters after this, the Rocks Pirates were considered the most dangerous crew in the world. While all of this just seems like reasonable backstories for Big Mom and Kaido, something doesn't sit right with me when it comes to how both Garp and Sengoku talk about the crew:
Firstly, lets make it clear that Oda himself writes this dialogue and likely runs it over with his editor. So imagine that Oda is the voice of nearly every character in this series. Read Garp and Hina's dialogue here (this is official VIZ translations btw) as Oda's. It almost sounds as if Hina and Garp are talking about MORE than just Big Mom and Kaido through Oda's presented dialogue. BM and Kaido are subjects of the conversation beforehand, and they are already immense, present threats, but these 2 talk like Rocks itself or the other crew members will "return" as prominent threats.
Then there is Brannew and Sengoku's conversation in Chapter 957
Once again, while the discussion is primarily concentrated on Big Mom and Kaido and their current strength, these few pieces of dialogue stand out to me like Oda is trying to tease something in future about this crew. Things like "we don't know their goals or how we might counter them", namedropping other pirates in the crew, and even teasing Rocks D. Xebec himself, that while he is dead, was this intense persistent threat that almost seems like he's coming back in a way.
While we don't exactly know Kaido/BM's full past, it still feels strange to me that Oda decided to drop this history about Garp, Roger and the Rocks pirates this late into the game. The Marines seem actively concerned about it (on top of the other things they must worry about) and it is discussed through Oda as if this threat will return in full force.
A big point of this is how Oda drops names like Ochoku (Wang Zhi), Silver Axe, Shiki JUST as he did when Ivankov teased the exact Level 6 pirates that Blackbeard broke out. It almost feels like we will eventually be introduced to these characters in the future. Sure, there have been some counterpoints that Oda showed these characters as Zombies in Thriller Bark, but only Captain John was ever mentioned as a cameo there, and truly never seen again after Oars destroyed the group of General Zombies. But even further, there is support of these characters possibly still alive and existing:
II. Impel Down Level 6 Escapees
Waaaaaay back at the end of Marineford, Brannew and Sengoku discuss news that Brannew received about other Level 6 inmates escaping who didn't join with Blackbeard.
We know that many of these characters were "Silver Medalists", behind Roger/Whitebeard/etc. We also know this was covered up by the WG just Rocks, God Island, and much more. We also know that these characters are still at large according to a certain bounty hunter at Dressrosa.
To me, I think this is how Oda will connect the remaining Silver Medalist/Impel down escapee plotlines. We know these characters still exist and have still yet to be addressed this late into the story. And as you can see, Oda has still acknowledged them late as Dressrosa. Its possible that many of these escapees were former Rocks pirates, and this may be even why Oda created the Rocks pirates to begin with, to give a backstory to not only Kaido/Linlin, but to all of their fellow crewmates who were defeated at God Valley.
Not only this, there is a significant piece of the puzzle missing that I think can be answered by the next topic, and that is Whitebeard. These escapees, Shiki (who escaped at one point), Linlin and Kaido can all be accounted for the former crew, except Whitebeard and Rocks. However.....I think both live on in their own way. Firstly, Whitebeard.
III. Bakkin and Weevil
Whitebeard is dead. But as recently as post-Dressrosa, we were introduced to a character that is allegedly "Whitebeard incarnate". Lets bring our attention first to Edward Weevil
Weevil is one of the most oddball characters Oda has introduced into the series, and no, not because of his design/character, but because we have so very little to go with his plot. Bakkin seems to want to destroy all of the remaining Whitebeard pirates, as you can see from Chapter 802, Weevil is in the process of finding former WB allies and destroying entire islands (literal ships were shown dragged and thrown into cities engulfed in fire when Weevil was introduced). He then is told by Bakkin to go after Luffy, thinking that he may or may not know where Marco is (due to Bakkin believing there is treasure Whitebeard hid). After this point Chapter 956 shows that he lost his freedom to hunt pirates and is now being hunted by Marines, offsetting their plans to simply find Marco/Luffy.
Now that the Shichibukai have lost their protection against one of the 3 great powers, I have a feeling they will start to concede to and join up with other powers that be. I.e.:
- Hancock likely allying with Luffy (considered a "5th" emperor now)
- Kuma being immune to the whole thing considering his unique position
- Buggy allying with someone, possibly the Blackbeard Pirates for now (a Emperor). They seem to have similar "chaotic/control" mindsets.
- Mihawk possibly allying with Shanks (an Emperor), due to their history.
- Bakkin and Weevil possibly finding Kaido/Linlin due to Bakkin's "possible" history with them (a Yonko "duo") via Rocks.
As you can see, it almost seems like each Shichibukai has the potential, or former relationship to tie them back to an "Emperor" (including Luffy), with Kuma being the exception for obvious reasons.
Now...regardless if Weevil is actually the son of Whitebeard or not, there is a clear connection between Bakkin and Whitebeard, which was likely placed at a timeframe from when the Rocks Pirates were formed and disbanded (Marco discusses this in Chapter 909; 40 years ago). But peculiarly enough, like many other Rocks related characters and concepts introduced before/during Wano, save for Linlin and Kaido themselves, they are all MISSING from Wano, which leads me to my next topic.
IV: The Missing Concepts
The biggest tell to me why the Rocks plot may continue on beyond Wano is the fact that so many Rocks-centric characters/plot aren't even a part of Wano:
- Garp
- Former Roger Pirates
- Former Rocks Pirates save for Linlin/Kaido
- Possibly Weevil/Bakkin
- God Valley
- Rocks's overall goal related to Tenryuubito/King of the World
As well as a plethora of characters that should be involved in a world ending related threat like this (Marines/WG overall especially), but can't because of the fallout from something that happened at the Reverie that is related to Alabasta and Blackbeard racing after it against the Marines (likely Pluton).
To me, after Oda used Hina, Garp, Brannew and Sengoku to all tease Rocks as this impending threat that may occur once Kaido/Big Mom begin their alliance, doesn't it seem peculiar if Luffy just resolves the entire Rocks plot on his own with an unknown alliance? How would this pay off from the teasing Oda seems to be doing here? Essentially if Luffy and the alliance finish these 2 off here, it almost begs the question as to why Oda would even make the Marines "care" about this alliance. Sure, its dangerous, and they are prioritizing another threat right now, Oda could have certainly just wrote Wano to be such an isolated plotline that the Marines would have never heard about this alliance until after Luffy and company finished the issues at Wano.
But this pools over into another quick point:
V. Kaido and Big Mom's Overall Goal
A big part this even comes to what Kaido and Big Mom even want to do with each other. They pretty much said it back in Chapter 954:
This entirely aligns with Rocks's original goal essentially (to be "King of the World") and folds back to a point I made a section before. While this is clearly a goal Kaido/BM share, the ingredients related to this concept are entirely missing from Wano.
- Why did Rocks need to go to God Valley? What was so important there?
- Why did Roger/Garp protect the Tenryuubito? Is this why they are located on Mariejois now, at the heart of the WG?
- What use do Kaido/BM have with Wano now that they have allied and want to take over the world (this last bit is important)?
It almost doesn't make sense as to why or even how the Rocks "plot" could even be resolved at Wano when so many ingredients from this plot seem to be missing. It almost sounds like "Endgame" level plotwork at hand here.
VI. Power Scaling and Luffy
This is a certainly a big one, but I'm not going to spend to much time on it. Generally its the idea that Luffy and the alliance even have the strength to take down 2 Yonko overall or that their power will even be great enough to surpass them. Surely Oda can simply "write" his characters in a way that enables them to win, and that's a surefire possibility, but I want to bring up 2 major points that may suggest otherwise:
- If Luffy wins now, what does that say about Akainu, Blackbeard or any other future villain?
- If these 2 Yonko go down now, even through full teamup battles, how does the world power shift to a realistic scale that drives the remaining plot?
Will Luffy now be considered the impending threat as two Yonko were taken down, thereby diminishing Blackbeard or any other characters relevance? Even if Luffy won against Kaido/Linlin in a huge teamup battle, it's the idea that Rookies will have won and succeeded in defeating the two highest bounty pirates in the world before we even got to the other big/vital threats in the story.
VII. Big Mom and Elbaf
There is a pretty big chunk of the fanbase that believe Big Mom will be relevant beyond Wano due to her history with Elbaf. She still has yet to find out about Mother Caramel. Likely Streusen won't tell her (as his manipulation led to her crew in the first place), but the Elbaf giant who witnessed it could. Additionally, Lola is the center point of the current cover story, and she was nearly forced to marry Loki to form an alliance with the Giants.
If we can believe that BM will leave Wano, only to become relevant later at Elbaf, we could also believe that Kaido may be with her when this happens.
VIII. Blackbeard and Rocks
Before I mentioned that while Whitebeard and Rocks are currently dead, Weevil is likely the "Whitebeard" incarnate of the current crew iteration, while Blackbeard almost seems to be the "Rocks" incarnate. There have been many theories floating around that Marshall D. Teach is possibly Rocks D. Xebec's son. Hell, this COULD explain why Devon, Shot, Wolf and Pizarro all decided to follow Blackbeard. He is the "Rocks" leader they were looking for. The other escapees could have been silver medalists that either disliked Rocks or respected others more in the crew. A small point made here but if this is in fact true, then why would Kaido/Big Mom and the entire Rocks plot fade away at Wano only?
IX. The "Theory"
Chapter 979 is sort of what started this discussion and other threads have been talking about it now as well. What is Kaido's "Important" news regarding his son?
- Some people think its another wedding, to establish the alliance between Kaido/BM
- Some thing Yamato is BM/Kaido's only son together, thereby already establishing the alliance with BM/Kaido
- Some people thing Yamato has to do with a larger goal in mind to advance the plot and/or Kaido/BMs alliance.
The key point beyond all of this is that, apparently the news related to his son is "shocking". To a Yonko crew, I don't see how the first is at all shocking considering that should know what BM does with her alliances. The 2nd and 3rd options are more likely to be main topics of discussion. My "Theory" is a bit of both and a few more things:
- Yamato IS Kaido and Big Mom's son, establishing the alliance.
- Yamato is Kaido's "Ace", being the most suitable successor to his crew.
- Yamato is not THAT Young. While "bocchan" is used, VIZ decided to use "Young Master" again like Doflamingo. Interpretations are open to discussion.
- Yamato will lead the Big Mom Pirate/Beasts Pirate alliance.
- Kaido and Big Mom will leave Wano to find the remaining Rocks pirates in order for them to take over the world. They will no longer care about Wano.
- Yamato will serve as the main antagonist for Luffy for the Wano Arc.
- Wano will succeed in finishing the Samurai plotline, Luffy gaining allies for the Ultimate War, and ending the BM/Beasts Pirate crews, sans their Captains.
- Kaido/BM will recruit the former Silver Medalists/Impel Down escapees that were once part of the Rocks crew, as well as Edward Weevil, whom is considered to be similar to Prime Whitebeard.
Granted, the above relies on the fact that Yamato isn't young and is powerful (and not somewhat unreliable like the Ace card can be, as discussed in my other thread). So really, its all open to interpretation. We will find out in a few chapters how some of this will play out.
I wanted to make this thread because its almost nerve racking to think that Oda may in fact push the Yonko to all eventually be "endgame" or give Luffy even more time to grow as a character before taking them down. Rocks could quite literally end in Wano, or it could carry over to Elbaf as another full plot, or it could simply carry into the Endgame entirely like Blackbeard or Shanks or Akainu or the World Government. It makes you wonder why Oda threw in Rocks as a concept this late into the story. Its also just a lot to process when you take it all into account.
So give me your thoughts. Do you believe Oda is setting up Rocks to be a much more significant threat beyond Wano? Do you think Kaido/BM are done at Wano? Is BM continuing on to Elbaf? Are both? What are your theories about Rocks?
Tldr: If Yamato ends up being an antagonist and a very powerful foil for Luffy, prepare your butts for Big Mom and Kaido to possibly leave Wano entirely to fuck off with their Rocks plot lol. There is supported evidence that the majority of the Rocks plot isn't even centric to Wano.
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