Hurt and Heal (Discussion Thread)
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she has as much character depth as a piece of paper 
boa has a complicated relationship with the people of amazon lily, with her sisters, with (the memory of) fisher tiger, with the WG. she's also a realistic representation of a woman in love. the way she got haughty because people around her are smitten with her looks and allow her to get away with some serious bully behavior is also quite realistic and a nice touch from oda. she has a complex back story that explains her self-hatred, shame and inability to form normal relationships. she probably has trauma-induced arrested development, which is why she also has some childish/immature traits. she's a great character - a multi-faceted one.
I dunno, I enjoyed both Viola and Pudding, story-wise, and Pudding is such a great foil to Sanji, she is what Sanji could've become if he stayed with Germa.
So while I understand why you might dislike Pudding, I just see her as an abused teen who finally saw what the world in a different way after meeting Sanji, and that aspect is beautiful to me.
So while I understand why you might dislike Pudding, I just see her as an abused teen who finally saw what the world in a different way after meeting Sanji, and that aspect is beautiful to me.
true. but i think it's mostly for 2 reasons:
1) hancock is a minor character and as such, cannot have a lot of panel time. other than the amazon lily arc, she has had very brief appearances. but these appearances are sprinkled throughout a handful of arcs, which is why i feel she is a better-developed character than, say, viola or pudding - even though viola and pudding aren't bad characters per se, they just appeared for one arc only and have, thus far, had their characters revolve around that 'one central issue' closely related to their respective arc.
2) like with viola, hancock's sad past encompasses a lot more adult/inappropriate themes than pudding's (or katakuri's, or chopper's etc) and because one piece is intended for children, oda doesn't go deep into the details. he did with law, whose main theme was an incurable disease, and with nami, whose main theme was money - but that's because you can, sort of, explain these things to children without crossing the line. oda himself has said he can't write any details about viola and doflamingo's relationship in the manga - except the subtle violet/doffy nickname hint - because it wouldn't be appropriate for kids. i think hancock's backstory is the same.
i'm not fighting, i just explained why i don't believe in dismissing hancock as a one-trick-pony kinda character. btw, there IS a character in one piece who has NOTHING but the 'OMG LuFfY iS sO aMaZiNg!!!1111' gag to him:
if you compare him to hancock you will see she has a lot more going on. i highly recommend visiting the fanverse forum for soca's posts analyzing hancock, because his knowledge of the manga is superb and because he knows how to assess the context in which a character appears.
this is actually a good point. her family is in many ways similar to sanji's... and i think she made a fairly convincing villain. i hate her, though, as it's rare for me to like villains.
i didn't find the way oda wrote her heel-face-turn all that great, though (but i think all oda's heel-face-turns suck - even robin's). there was not enough regret there, oda chose to focus on sanji's kindness having an impact on her, but didn't focus on her realization that she has been an ugly and horrible person for much of her life (on the inside).
1) hancock is a minor character and as such, cannot have a lot of panel time. other than the amazon lily arc, she has had very brief appearances. but these appearances are sprinkled throughout a handful of arcs, which is why i feel she is a better-developed character than, say, viola or pudding - even though viola and pudding aren't bad characters per se, they just appeared for one arc only and have, thus far, had their characters revolve around that 'one central issue' closely related to their respective arc.
2) like with viola, hancock's sad past encompasses a lot more adult/inappropriate themes than pudding's (or katakuri's, or chopper's etc) and because one piece is intended for children, oda doesn't go deep into the details. he did with law, whose main theme was an incurable disease, and with nami, whose main theme was money - but that's because you can, sort of, explain these things to children without crossing the line. oda himself has said he can't write any details about viola and doflamingo's relationship in the manga - except the subtle violet/doffy nickname hint - because it wouldn't be appropriate for kids. i think hancock's backstory is the same.
i'm not fighting, i just explained why i don't believe in dismissing hancock as a one-trick-pony kinda character. btw, there IS a character in one piece who has NOTHING but the 'OMG LuFfY iS sO aMaZiNg!!!1111' gag to him:
if you compare him to hancock you will see she has a lot more going on. i highly recommend visiting the fanverse forum for soca's posts analyzing hancock, because his knowledge of the manga is superb and because he knows how to assess the context in which a character appears.
this is actually a good point. her family is in many ways similar to sanji's... and i think she made a fairly convincing villain. i hate her, though, as it's rare for me to like villains.
i didn't find the way oda wrote her heel-face-turn all that great, though (but i think all oda's heel-face-turns suck - even robin's). there was not enough regret there, oda chose to focus on sanji's kindness having an impact on her, but didn't focus on her realization that she has been an ugly and horrible person for much of her life (on the inside).
yeah, I agree with you here, I wish there were a better heel-face turn process for both of them. I hatr what became of MHA, but Bakugo’s char development and his way from hating and bullying Deku to being his supporter and confindant was written fairly well imo.
@Admiral Maynard
Could you help me and @Bepo D. Bear get Pudding into top3?
It's going to be Vivi vs Tashigi in the end (just as I predicted), and I promise to heal Vivi for ya ;) although I'm usually later to the party compared to everyone, but still!
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@Admiral Maynard
Could you help me and @Bepo D. Bear get Pudding into top3?
It's going to be Vivi vs Tashigi in the end (just as I predicted), and I promise to heal Vivi for ya ;) although I'm usually later to the party compared to everyone, but still!
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