So when Oden put Kaido down and he was going in for the second hit, oden would have still lost even without the hostage and the sneak attack?
and Kaido’s oden ptsd and Kaido’s top 5 say nothing about how strong oden was
Whitebeard called Oden “brother”… Not “son” like he calls all the rest of his crew, Whitebard calls him Brother.
Kaido himself admitted Oden would have stopped him if he didn’t get 5 years to gather more minions to fight against Oden
All this means nothing compared to “Vista clashed with mihawk for 3 panels”
hmm, so… what you’re saying is, a clash with Mihawk means more than Kaido’s entire Top 5… Which includes shanks
I don't want to downplay Oden because again, he lost because of unfair methods, but I don't think he was ever really above Kaido. Just like when he was against Luffy, Kaido was getting beaten up in Dragon form, but then went into base and was going to put him down. Remember, it was his ally who did the move, not Kaido himself, who wasn't really scared of fighting Oden now that Oden didn't have the rest of Wano backing him up.
(keep in mind, he doesn't even say that he would have lost 5 years earlier, just that it would have been difficult)
I dont think this can be compared exactly to Gunko and Gaban, because Gunko herself decided to exploit the hostages after seeing Gaban
(I would assume Gaban>Gunko for now, but its not impossible that Gunko is stronger and simply didn't want to deal with a proper fight)