General & Others I feel sorry for those who don’t understand One Piece, especially One Piece fans

Sasparan

Sasparan

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ThatMojaveCourier06 said:
Oda focused on slavery as one of the themes of Wano by putting Luffy in the labor camp. Like many of the previous arcs, there's an organization or government (the Beast Pirates and Orochi) who are oppressing the masses, and Labor camps are one method of oppressing the people of Wano
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As you accepted Oda didnt focus on Slavery.
Oda just showed us broken samurais and Luffy saving them not Slavery.
I never called everything a theme. I merely stated that the reader may interpret multiple themes, despite the author intending more or less. Again, you are arbitrarily stating that One Piece doesn't have as many arcs as we interpret, despite that interpretation of themes being completely subjective.
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Bro theme is not what you guys are talking about. Slavery isnt a theme in your example. Like calling someone slave in their minds doesnt mean its a theme.

Interpretation and themes are different concepts, sure. But how exactly do you locate themes present within a story? Through interpretation of the story.
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Of course but i am telling that you are reaching and trying to call everything as a theme. Not everything is a theme you guys are mistaking theme with story elements.
Again, if a reader interprets a story 20 different ways, who is to say they're wrong? Ultimately, interpretation is completely subjective with no right and wrong answer.
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Me. :catrude:
The message of slavery within Wano is to strive for freedom by not giving up hope - as seen in Udon.

Thus, slavery is a theme within Wano.
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Loyalty is the theme. Samurais are there because they are loyal and their spirits broken and Luffy becomes their Hope about taking down Kaido and brings their spirits back.

Even your interpretion doesnt have Slavery as a theme but rather Hope as a theme.
 
ArturCantSpeakJapanese

ArturCantSpeakJapanese

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Sasparan said:
No. Theme is the message writer is trying to send throught the story. Just because you showed Slavery doesnt mean its your theme. Sabaodys theme is about slavery we see how bad people live because of that.

But after Luffy gets in the prison he starts beating the guards.

Also a story can use multiple elements but it usually has one or two themes NOT MUCH. And i am saying that main theme is about Love.
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So you feel sorry for people because they dont see the Slavery theme for the 50th time.
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idk about him but i feel sorry for you for this ignorance
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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The theme of Nika is a very important and compelling one personally. I would not be surprised a little if Luffy was revealed like so, as the liberator of populations. The WG arc will be crucial.
 
Manoomar2000

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Herrera95 said:
The guy wants to lecture about One Piece but says Doflaming didn't had free will. Holy shit...
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Of course , his life is built by other people , celestial dragons and trebol
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Sasparan said:
No theme is the message author is trying to give us and by your point everyone is a slave but i can assure you Corazon,Doffy and Bellamy are not slaves.
If this is how you interpreted it i am fine with that but dont try to lecture people by calling it a theme
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They are , dude , you just didn’t get it , it is good to have someone to make you understand, that’s one piece , you can’t understand it all by your own
 
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Herrera95

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Manoomar2000 said:
Of course , his life is built by other people , celestial dragons and trebol
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They are , dude , you just didn’t get it , it is good to have someone to make you understand, that’s one piece , you can’t understand it all by your own
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Dude, he is the one chosing the path of his life since he went to Trebol wanting a gun and killed his father. Doflaming was in charge of his life since his 8's(am I right?) while us even after 20's are not in charge of our lives.
 
Manoomar2000

Manoomar2000

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Herrera95 said:
Dude, he is the one chosing the path of his life since he went to Trebol wanting a gun and killed his father. Doflaming was in charge of his life since his 8's(am I right?) while us even after 20's are not in charge of our lives.
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No no , trebol offered him gun and the power for revenge , doffy will be free after he stop manipulating people , choose his own goal and kills trebol of course, it will hurt him , but he has to do it
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Sasparan said:
As you accepted Oda didnt focus on Slavery.
Oda just showed us broken samurais and Luffy saving them not Slavery.

Bro theme is not what you guys are talking about. Slavery isnt a theme in your example. Like calling someone slave in their minds doesnt mean its a theme.



Of course but i am telling that you are reaching and trying to call everything as a theme. Not everything is a theme you guys are mistaking theme with story elements.

Me. :catrude:

Loyalty is the theme. Samurais are there because they are loyal and their spirits broken and Luffy becomes their Hope about taking down Kaido and brings their spirits back.

Even your interpretion doesnt have Slavery as a theme but rather Hope as a theme.
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Dude i think you can’t differentiate between main theme and theme , if the thing isn’t a main theme then it is not a theme for you , slavery is a main theme though.
 
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Herrera95

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Manoomar2000 said:
No no , trebol offered him gun and the power for revenge , doffy will be free after he stop manipulating people , choose his own goal and kills trebol of course, it will hurt him , but he has to do it
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Dude i think you can’t differentiate between main theme and theme , if the thing isn’t a main theme then it is not a theme for you , slavery is a main theme though.
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No dude, Doffy chose how to live his life. All you are saying is exactly the opposite of free will since you want him to chose your will.
Even now at Impel Down, Doffy is freer than your mind is.
 
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Herrera95

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Manoomar2000 said:
Ok but you still can’t understand it , this is the problem , this post isn’t detailed enough but you can get it with some concentration, you probably think that doffy is born evil
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No I don't think Doffy or anyone was born evil. And by saying that you clearly are the one who don't understand a thing about One Piece.
 
Manoomar2000

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Herrera95 said:
No I don't think Doffy or anyone was born evil. And by saying that you clearly are the one who don't understand a thing about One Piece.
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If you know that he was not born evil , so you can connect the clues that Oda gave us , i think that you can understand the post , we are talking about philosophical freedom , doffy has free will , but fake one , because he didn’t choose his path , what if he wss born into a normal family ? The complications comes from power, do you remember what sabo said? He said that he can’t be free while living in this community and the nobles will never be free , although they have free will by your logic , Oda is saying that it is fake free will , they are just passing their habits and way of living to the next generation, they never chose their own path
 
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Herrera95

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Manoomar2000 said:
If you know that he was not porn evil , so you can connect the clues that Oda gave us , i think that you can understand the post , we are talking about philosophical freedom , doffy has free will , but fake one , because he didn’t choose his path , what if he wss born into a normal family ? The complications comes from power, do you remember what sabo said? He said that he can’t be free while living in this community and the nobles will never be free , although they have free will by your logic , Oda is saying that it is fake free will , they are just passing their habits and way of living to the next generation, they never chose their own path
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"porn"

Dude, this is literally how human works. Everybody is build by it own experience. Of course Doffy would be different if he had a different life from birth. That doesn't mean he isn't free.

By your definition Luffy is not free because he just is what he is because of Shanks for example.
 
Manoomar2000

Manoomar2000

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Herrera95 said:
"porn"

Dude, this is literally how human works. Everybody is build by it own experience. Of course Doffy would be different if he had a different life from birth. That doesn't mean he isn't free.

By your definition Luffy is not free because he just is what he is because of Shanks for example.
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But that’s a different case , as luffy is ready to quit being a pirate at anytime, but doffy can’t , because the hole in his heart will never be filled if he just quit being a pirate and bought a farm in north blue
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Edogawa said:
One Piece is written for children it's not that to misunderstand it
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The nuance and the depth is written for adults ,children can watch it because there is no gore , but i think it is a lost case, they can’t understand so watching it is just a waste of time and money , and anyway kids nowadays watch shows like jujutsu kaisen and demon slayer , they love gore , so i think the no gore makes one piece more special , because you need to use your brain and think , trying to understand the depth of writing and themes, not just be happy while seeing cheap gore
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Edogawa said:
One Piece is written for children it's not that to misunderstand it
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I don’t know if you are a troll or not , but if you finished one piece more than one time and still saying that it is written for children because you can’t understand it , then you are hopless , better way is that you can try to understand it , i mean , how anyone in his right mind will say that a complex and well written story such as one piece is for children , you are just dumb and simple minded
 
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Herrera95

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Manoomar2000 said:
But that’s a different case , as luffy is ready to quit being a pirate at anytime, but doffy can’t , because the hole in his heart will never be filled if he just quit being a pirate and bought a farm in north blue
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Luffy whole life is about finding One Piece and being the Pirate King. He is at same boat as Doffy.
Luffy just said he would quit if he learned about One Piece from Rayleigh back in Sabaody but he made well sure that Usopp doesn't even asked him about that.
Also that is the main reason why Yamato will never join Strawhats.
 
Manoomar2000

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Herrera95 said:
Luffy whole life is about finding One Piece and being the Pirate King. He is at same boat as Doffy.
Luffy just said he would quit if he learned about One Piece from Rayleigh back in Sabaody but he made well sure that Usopp doesn't even asked him about that.
Also that is the main reason why Yamato will never join Strawhats.
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His main idea was about the journey being boring , and iam expecting something will happen in the future that will make luffy not totally free(like seeking revenge or something ) , and he will try to end the matter to become free again
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Edogawa said:
One Piece is written for children it's not that to misunderstand it
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Where are you kid
 
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