Questions & Mysteries I have to really have to ask a question, and it is to me a mistery. Do every discussion, on every topic have to be about who is stronger?

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Yeah but the plot happens either as a result of a fight or to set up a fight, wars are nothing but a collection of 1v1s, 2v1s or bigwigs on fodder clearance with little to no overall strategy and every problem is solved by punching it. Pretty much everything revolves around people duking it out with all manner of weapons, abilities and fighting styles.

Even the lore is used to set up fights like the Rocks lore drop that retconned the previous age of piracy just to set up Linlin and Kaido working together so they can be bludgeoned together by the Worst Gen.

On top of all that, One Piece is very much a might makes right world on the Pirate side of things (the side we see most of the time due to the protagonist's occupation) where only strong people get to have nice things. About the only two characters I can think of that are more strategy focused than other One Piece characters are Bege and Moria, both of which got shafted for their troubles in attempting to use brain over brawn.

Take out all the fights and ask yourself "Would people still follow this if there was no fisticuffs?".

I am not denying that fights are not important in One Piece as a whole. I am saying that they are not inherently the about the fight itself. Let me put it this way, as I wrote in other posts, but I want to address this directly to you to give a proper answer.
How much time was spent in 1v1 fights in, let's say, Punk Hazaard. Or Enies Lobby. Or Wano, WCI.
I talk about screen time, not about background chaos like most of onigashima was, or Enies Lobby. Even fights are used for info dump in One piece, take the last few chapters, with Zounisha showing up, nakama of joyboy, Big mom and her relationship with Roger.
Many people are complaining that Big Mom didn't use AdvCoC, or awakening. It's because fights are just the medium through which the plot develops, but they serve the plot, not vice-versa. Luffy wants to be the King of Pirates, not the strongest. The only one in the crew who wants to be strong is Zoro actually, all the others are Non-fight related.

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so the climax of the story is a fight?

am i getting that right?

Never denied that? Never even argued that? Do you read my posts? I literally wrote that, also wrote again that the fights serve the plot.
Also called One Piece a battle shonen.
I say that FIghts take a very small amount of screen time in general, and people discuss ONLY that. Who is strongest, who will win, trash the others.

 

[Cuistot]

When nearly every single problem in the manga is solved by somebody hitting somebody else really hard then an author really shouldn't be surprised if his fandom become fight junkies.

Folks sometimes be talking about OP like it’s JoJo where most of the fights are matchup dependant and they have to get very creative to pull off a W.

It’s not, it’s very straightforward and DBZ-style. Hence mass appeal.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Folks sometimes be talking about OP like it’s JoJo where most of the fights are matchup dependant and they have to get very creative to pull off a W.

It’s not, it’s very straightforward and DBZ-style. Hence mass appeal.

Yeah but in this small baloon Roger said x which means that since he beat WB and WB got beaten by Squard and Squard is a spider just like the big spider in Onigashima in the tobiroppo and guess what, That spider could beat Roger.

 

[Roo]

The climax of the story is usally the most important part of it in the eyes of the viewers, therefore it will get the most attention

people talk about Infinity War's ending because it is the climax, same with Endgame's last battle. This is not hard to understand

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The climax of the story is usally the most important part of it in the eyes of the viewers, therefore it will get the most attention

people talk about Infinity War's ending because it is the climax, same with Endgame's last battle. This is not hard to understand

Of course it's important. But would you not agree that One Piece is not only about fights, and this is banged over our heads again and again?
Luffy had 4 big fights since the time skip. 4. Kaido, Katakuri, Do Flamingo, Big Fish.
The rest was one off sparring with no-names quickly forgotten.
Luffy is strong, will be the king of the pirates and defeat every enemy until he becomes it.
Zoro will become the strongest swordman and defeat every enemy until he becomes it.
Sanji will find the All Blue and defeat every enemy until he finds it.
It's a shonen battle manga, what's there to discuss? ALL the fights from now on will be WON by the strawhats, even if they were to fight God, Goku and Naruto. Because it's a shonen battle manga .
Who would win between x and y? Whoever the plots need to win. We are not in the middle of the series, we are at the end.

 

[VersusPhD]

Literally, every single topic, who is stronger, Zoro or sanji, big mom or kaido, the marines are taking L's.
I don't understand. What do you people get from these conversations?

Ego jerking shitfest. That's the answer.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Ego jerking shitfest. That's the answer.

Nice avatar mate, but please ask permission before using pictures of me okay?

 

[soheilhazrat]

We are in a arc that about war, so thats why people talk about strengths a lot
Plus oda hides everything, what plot should we talk about bruh, silhouette every character and tells nothing about anything. Just streching tf out of any topic.

 

[VersusPhD]

Nice avatar mate, but please ask permission before using pictures of me okay?

We have good taste in characters choices.
However, I've been using Gaimon way before you, my friend.

 

[Owl Ki]

How much time was spent in 1v1 fights in, let's say, Punk Hazaard. Or Enies Lobby. Or Wano, WCI.
I talk about screen time, not about background chaos like most of onigashima was, or Enies Lobby. Even fights are used for info dump in One piece, take the last few chapters, with Zounisha showing up, nakama of joyboy, Big mom and her relationship with Roger.

I don't know about other people but as far as I am concerned, that "background chaos" counts as fighting. Quick clashes are fighting, fodder clearance is fighting, multiV1s is fighting, it's all fighting.

Oda goes out of his way to add fights that didn't even need to happen. Off of the top of my head, in Wano we had;
I) Luffy vs fodder to save Tama.
II) Luffy, Zoro and Kiku vs Fat Man, Holdem and hoodlum henchmen.
III) Ashura Doji vs Jack.
IV) Queen vs Linlin.
V) Zoro vs Hawkins.
VI) Zoro vs Fox Man.
VII) Sanji vs Page One.
VIII) Sanji vs Drake.

Oda whacks fights throughout this manga because that is the main selling point of this manga, fights.

Yeah, he might sprinkle some other stuff like lore drops in a fight but that is just to kill two story telling birds with one stone and add some spice to a fight.

Like I asked, take out all the fights and would people still follow this series?

Many people are complaining that Big Mom didn't use AdvCoC, or awakening. It's because fights are just the medium through which the plot develops, but they serve the plot, not vice-versa. Luffy wants to be the King of Pirates, not the strongest. The only one in the crew who wants to be strong is Zoro actually, all the others are Non-fight related.

Only the strongest can be Pirate King though. Roger was the strongest in his hay day and like I said, OP is a might makes right world, especially if like Luffy you only plan on having a small crew.

Luffy is also pretty concerned about his strength. Sabo's assumed demise had him as a kid wanting to become strong to protect his friends, he spent two whole years training to become stronger, he deliberately sought out Katakuri to whack him and get stronger from it and now with Kaido he is going on about how much he is enjoying the fight.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I don't know about other people but as far as I am concerned, that "background chaos" counts as fighting. Quick clashes are fighting, fodder clearance is fighting, multiV1s is fighting, it's all fighting.

Oda goes out of his way to add fights that didn't even need to happen. Off of the top of my head, in Wano we had;
I) Luffy vs fodder to save Tama.
II) Luffy, Zoro and Kiku vs Fat Man, Holdem and hoodlum henchmen.
III) Ashura Doji vs Jack.
IV) Queen vs Linlin.
V) Zoro vs Hawkins.
VI) Zoro vs Fox Man.
VII) Sanji vs Page One.
VIII) Sanji vs Drake.

Oda whacks fights throughout this manga because that is the main selling point of this manga, fights.

Yeah, he might sprinkle some other stuff like lore drops in a fight but that is just to kill two story telling birds with one stone and add some spice to a fight.

Like I asked, take out all the fights and would people still follow this series?

Only the strongest can be Pirate King though. Roger was the strongest in his hay day and like I said, OP is a might makes right world, especially if like Luffy you only plan on having a small crew.

Luffy is also pretty concerned about his strength. Sabo's assumed demise had him as a kid wanting to become strong to protect his friends, he spent two whole years training to become stronger, he deliberately sought out Katakuri to whack him and get stronger from it and now with Kaido he is going on about how much he is enjoying the fight.

But none of those are 1v1 fights, which is my main point in the first post, i.e. who win between x and y.
I am going by memory, but all those things take such small screen time in regards to every thing else, don't you agree?
How many pages lasts, for example, Ashura Doji vs Jack compared to.. Let's say, anotehr just plot dump like that laughing man past and dying?
Or Zoro vs Fox Man compared to, for example, a random subplot in Wano.
All the WB and Roger flashback has like 3 pages of fighting.
The fights HAPPEN. But they have minimal screen time, even when it's a wor like onigashima, Oda is more interested in what people say to each otehr than making them fight.

And the fact that only the strongest can be Pirate King is a speculation, but still we will finish One piece that fights will have much more screentime than anything else. Just like it always was.

 

[Owl Ki]

But none of those are 1v1 fights, which is my main point in the first post, i.e. who win between x and y.
I am going by memory, but all those things take such small screen time in regards to every thing else, don't you agree?
How many pages lasts, for example, Ashura Doji vs Jack compared to.. Let's say, anotehr just plot dump like that laughing man past and dying?
Or Zoro vs Fox Man compared to, for example, a random subplot in Wano.

Who cares if they are 1v1s or not? They are still there and people are still going to discuss them because this manga attracts fight junkies.

Debating the amount screentime doesn't really matter either when they didn't even need to happen to begin with. The fact they got screentime when they didn't even need to occur is enough.

All the WB and Roger flashback has like 3 pages of fighting.

This one specifically is Oda being a tease. He isn't going to show what those two are capable of in their prime until the very end.

The fights HAPPEN. But they have minimal screen time, even when it's a wor like onigashima, Oda is more interested in what people say to each otehr than making them fight.

Nah, Oda adds fights whenever he can.

If he was more interested in having people talk to each than why not just have Tama come across Luffy with no hostile fodder, they talk, they find Zoro with no Hawkins, they talk, they go to Kiki's place with no Fat Man or Batman, they talk, they go to Oden Castle, they talk to Kinemon (maybe have Oden flashback there to save time) and then oh shit Kaido appears, finally a fight.

How many chapters of pointless fighting were saved just from that segment alone? Nah, Oda knows his audience craves fights so he gives them fights even when said fights are pointless filler.

And the fact that only the strongest can be Pirate King is a speculation, but still we will finish One piece that fights will have much more screentime than anything else. Just like it always was.

It isn't speculation. All the most important people in One Piece back up their authority with the ability to whoop arse. None of the Yonko would have their positions if they were weak, none of the Admirals would have their position if they lacked strength, the Warlords cannot even hold their title if they suffer so much as a single defeat and nobody could be the Pirate King without being able to bat off every single challenger to the title.

EoS Luffy will be the strongest character cause he needs to be in order to achieve his goal.

 

[Formerly Seth]

There are enough people who don't power scale and focus on the story ( XD ) aspect. If you look for them you will find them. It's you who pay attention to us power scalers. I agree that it takes up the majority of the threads but as I said there are people whom you can talk about story to.

Say one line and @Paperchampion23 or @Ghostly Reflections will throw you a fuckin essay in the reply and there you go

 

[Fuckthis3]

There are enough people who don't power scale and focus on the story ( XD ) aspect. If you look for them you will find them. It's you who pay attention to us power scalers. I agree that it takes up the majority of the threads but as I said there are people whom you can talk about story to.

Say one line and @Paperchampion23 or @Ghostly Reflections will throw you a fuckin essay in the reply and there you go

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Who cares if they are 1v1s or not? They are still there and people are still going to discuss them because this manga attracts fight junkies.

Debating the amount screentime doesn't really matter either when they didn't even need to happen to begin with. The fact they got screentime when they didn't even need to occur is enough.

This one specifically is Oda being a tease. He isn't going to show what those two are capable of in their prime until the very end.

Nah, Oda adds fights whenever he can.

If he was more interested in having people talk to each than why not just have Tama come across Luffy with no hostile fodder, they talk, they find Zoro with no Hawkins, they talk, they go to Kiki's place with no Fat Man or Batman, they talk, they go to Oden Castle, they talk to Kinemon (maybe have Oden flashback there to save time) and then oh shit Kaido appears, finally a fight.

How many chapters of pointless fighting were saved just from that segment alone? Nah, Oda knows his audience craves fights so he gives them fights even when said fights are pointless filler.


It isn't speculation. All the most important people in One Piece back up their authority with the ability to whoop arse. None of the Yonko would have their positions if they were weak, none of the Admirals would have their position if they lacked strength, the Warlords cannot even hold their title if they suffer so much as a single defeat and nobody could be the Pirate King without being able to bat off every single challenger to the title.

EoS Luffy will be the strongest character cause he needs to be in order to achieve his goal.

Thanks for spending time in the discussion mate, appreciate it. Don't know how to quote individual phrases.

To me the fact that the fights take a small amount of time was the point I was making in the first place. There is SO much we could discuss about One Piece, but people decide only to talk about those small things.

And I still believe we will never see Roger fight, we will probably see you know, two or three scenes, but nothing major.

It's a battle shonen, but Luffy will Win, Zoro will beat anyone from now on, and the same holds for the whole SH. What discussione there is to have in this? People over analyse any small phrase in any manga ONLY when it's about fighting. THink the reaction about kidd and the wrong translation about the attack. People spent a week and still only talk about Lidd and Lidd< Law or pointless stuff like this.

One piece also is full of filler in any kind, not only fights and this kills the pacing.

Being strong is important, but I believe One Piece is not only about that, and Luffy being the strongest is a mean to an end, not the end itself. Like Goku, he wanted to be the strongest. Naruto wanted to be the best Ninja.
Luffy wants to be the King of the pirates, I see a small difference, but maybe I am wrong. Luffy himself says that being the King of the Pirates is about being free, otherwise he would say that it's about being the strongest.

 

[Gorosei Informer]

There are enough people who don't power scale and focus on the story ( XD ) aspect. If you look for them you will find them. It's you who pay attention to us power scalers. I agree that it takes up the majority of the threads but as I said there are people whom you can talk about story to.

Say one line and @Paperchampion23 or @Ghostly Reflections will throw you a fuckin essay in the reply and there you go

This is genuinely factual, I am already furiously trying to resist typing an essay response as we speak!

 

[Telias]

We are men with ancient savage-murderer-violent genes who seek power in this life and want to climb the ladder of hierarchy,so we can achieve dominance on other humans and also our testosterone helps a lot.

This isnt death parade or death note , one piece is mostly about fighting so yeah we want powerscale but so far noone is OVER 9000.

 

[centurion]

:cantseeme::cantseeme::cantseeme::cantseeme:

EDIT: pls fix the :cantseeme: emote

 

[Date]

Its sad because OP is one of the mangas with most lore and possibility for theories, but all topics become about who is stronger, for guys with 12/13/14/15 years thinks its ok, but the majority of people in the forum are older and but theirs brains havent developed yet.

But dont think its a OP community only thing, is a social media thing that have taken over any community, from K-pop stans, CR7 vs Messi guys and even politicians fanboys. The UX of the social media made for this groupthinking where the people dont get to do nothing more than repeat shallow slogans or just keep in the mine group vs yours behavior.




Some guys say "iTs a BaTtLe MaNgA" like If the fandom was always like this, but before 2015/16 OP was know to be the worldbuilding manga, while Naruto was the battle one and Bleach the edgylord, but since them both ended the guys from those fandom started to enter in OP and bring with them this no-thinking way of reading. Just look at the posts "we are man we like violence" and u will find the edgylords

 

[Owl Ki]

Thanks for spending time in the discussion mate, appreciate it. Don't know how to quote individual phrases.

Oh, thanks I guess. To do that individual phrase thing, you hit the reply, it will quote the whole post and then you cut out what you want to cut out in order to respond to the specific bit you want to address then rinse and repeat with the rest of the post.

To me the fact that the fights take a small amount of time was the point I was making in the first place. There is SO much we could discuss about One Piece, but people decide only to talk about those small things.

Well theories used to be popular with the old Oro Jackson crowd (which a fair few folk here were part of) but unfortunately it came to a point where whenever anybody made a theory, it had a habit of being pinched and then uploaded to YouTube by somebody else who would give no credit to the forum user. As such, theorists eventually stopped making good theories on forums like OJ and Worst Gen.

Since theory discussion died a slow death, power scaling discussion became ever more dominant. This forum in particular is fight junkie central. It's just how this crowd roll.

And I still believe we will never see Roger fight, we will probably see you know, two or three scenes, but nothing major.

Well, Oda certainly enjoys being a tease.

It's a battle shonen, but Luffy will Win, Zoro will beat anyone from now on, and the same holds for the whole SH. What discussione there is to have in this? People over analyse any small phrase in any manga ONLY when it's about fighting. THink the reaction about kidd and the wrong translation about the attack. People spent a week and still only talk about Lidd and Lidd< Law or pointless stuff like this.

Like I said, this forum is fight junkie central. They will use the results and of canon fights to pit two characters who will never fight each other, against each other and then make bets on who would hypothetically win. That is how folk get their kicks on here.

Being strong is important, but I believe One Piece is not only about that, and Luffy being the strongest is a mean to an end, not the end itself. Like Goku, he wanted to be the strongest. Naruto wanted to be the best Ninja.
Luffy wants to be the King of the pirates, I see a small difference, but maybe I am wrong. Luffy himself says that being the King of the Pirates is about being free, otherwise he would say that it's about being the strongest.

I probably would have been inclined to agree with you here if we were talking about Pre-TS Luffy who rarely deliberately sought out fights and was more focused on going on fun adventures.

Post-TS Luffy seems to be becoming a bit of a blood knight though. Ever since the Gray Terminal flashback, Oda has made Luffy focused on gaining strength through fights. Oda had Luffy charge at Fujitora and Linlin at points when it really wasn't beneficial for the character to do so, seek out Katakuri for the sole purpose of defeating him (even making Luffy pass up on chances to escape back to his crew) and lately had Luffy state how much he was enjoying fighting Kaido.

There was also that moment where Luffy stated his intention defeat all the Yonko to Law. There was no "The Pirate King is the freest man" speech there. Luffy saw the path to the throne as being built out of the defeats of others.

I think by this point, Oda has merged Luffy's desire to be the freest with a desire for strength. Luffy wants to be so strong that nobody can bother his crew and once he has that strength, he is then the freest man or something along those lines.