Character Discussion I think Kaido not being completely evil is a good thing
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Kaido respects strength. If you are powerful you will get his respect and he will treat you better for example - Calamities, F6 , hanafuda etc.
If you are weak in his eyes then you are expendable. He saw wano people as weaklings and hence don't care about them.
It is due to him surving harsh situations and always being with strong characters like rocks crew he grew to respect strength.
If you are weak in his eyes then you are expendable. He saw wano people as weaklings and hence don't care about them.
It is due to him surving harsh situations and always being with strong characters like rocks crew he grew to respect strength.
it really is. he was introduced trying to kill himself. his entire life was hardship and struggle, abandonment, never having any real friends, never having a long term relationship, never even got to have a real fight with his rival. kaido didnt shoot oden in the head out of cruelty, but out of pity and disgust for having to watch him suffer torture instead of fighting like men. kaido didn't enjoy watching him boil, that was orochi.
this is why i think he's still alive. his plot was not truly resolved, and his backstory was not fully fleshed out, because the missing pieces would make him too sympathetic. we can't be feeling bad for kaido and rooting for him to succeed while luffy is punching him through the planet for being a slaver
this is why i think he's still alive. his plot was not truly resolved, and his backstory was not fully fleshed out, because the missing pieces would make him too sympathetic. we can't be feeling bad for kaido and rooting for him to succeed while luffy is punching him through the planet for being a slaver
yeah you know this is because kaido was the one being left in the dust by stronger people when he was young and in Rocks and stuff like that. the low level marines were never really a threat to him and he never came across as that big of a threat to them back then because all he wanted was food and a place to stay and then he'd leave again, he never genocided marine bases or killed his captors in revenge. he was the rookie in Rocks. he was the expendable one, even though he was one of the strongest in the world, that's still a large group of people with tiers of their own.
he had to get stronger to get respect, and he probably still never actually got it. rocks probably never really gave a fuck. none of the other rocks pirates gave a fuck. linlin is probably the closest he's ever been to anyone but yamato's mother (maybe Gloriosa? i don't know who else it could be. i think something had to make her fall out of love with him and he probably took it hard and resents yamato for it.)
he is a hypocrite yeah. he's a fucked up depressed alcoholic. he goes through like 5 suppressed emotional personas during the fight with luffy.
kaido is a complicated character who wasnt born evil. he probably felt like all his choices were necessary up until a certain point, then realized they were all bad choices and he was sort of trapped in a bad timeline, then spent all his time drinking and trying to kill himself and just doing whatever because he doesnt think being alive matters. at one time he thought he could be the sun god like joyboy but that was decades in the past.
he had to get stronger to get respect, and he probably still never actually got it. rocks probably never really gave a fuck. none of the other rocks pirates gave a fuck. linlin is probably the closest he's ever been to anyone but yamato's mother (maybe Gloriosa? i don't know who else it could be. i think something had to make her fall out of love with him and he probably took it hard and resents yamato for it.)
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he is a hypocrite yeah. he's a fucked up depressed alcoholic. he goes through like 5 suppressed emotional personas during the fight with luffy.
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kaido is a complicated character who wasnt born evil. he probably felt like all his choices were necessary up until a certain point, then realized they were all bad choices and he was sort of trapped in a bad timeline, then spent all his time drinking and trying to kill himself and just doing whatever because he doesnt think being alive matters. at one time he thought he could be the sun god like joyboy but that was decades in the past.
This doesn´t really work. First of all, he did have friends and relationships lol. Secondly, he was the one who runs Wano lol, he ordered Oden to be tortured and executed. He could have killed him in a fight if he wanted, or just kept him in jail(there´s like, a bunch of Samurai just in jail forever). Do you think he also killed Odens wife out of pity? I agree that he didn´t want the sadism of Orochi, where he liked feeding smiles to poor people and stuff, but he still protected Orochi for years. Also, he believes Orochi is too soft.
This doesn´t really make sense. Wano is/was one of the strongest countries in the OP world, with samurai. Kaido himself wanted the Samurai to join him, and offered to free them from prison if they submitted. So what did he even gain from oppressing Wano?
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This doesn´t really make sense. Wano is/was one of the strongest countries in the OP world, with samurai. Kaido himself wanted the Samurai to join him, and offered to free them from prison if they submitted. So what did he even gain from oppressing Wano?
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Kaido rightly called her out for being naive and retarded.
Yamato started pretending that she was Oden, Kaido's arch nemesis. And then took the side of rebelling samurai, who are his enemies.
Then there is Kaido's viewpoint that humans will fear and don't accept the Oni/ogre species. This stemmed from Kaido's childhood, where he was respected but feared for his power by the humans of his kingdom. And they just handed him over to make him a marine against his wishes when govt asked them to.
Kaido knew the realities of the world, while Yamato who was naive and sheltered, is an idealistic person.
This difference in experience and mindset moulded their overall perspective.
Kaido believed in anarchy, where survival of the fittest is the rule, in which there are no longer rules which are unfair and retarded in Kaido's eyes - rules which put even fodder celestial dragons like Charlos commanding top tiers like admirals.
While Yamato believed in stereotypical good guy actions.
Kaido still showed her CONSIDERABLE leniancy.
We know she challenged Kaido countless times. Yet, not one scar or permanent injury to show for it. Kaido just beats her up and leaves, nothing more.
Even Yamato vs Kaido in rooftop seemed like a lecture from Kaido to mend her ways. Dude wasn't going all out, but it was still too much for Yamato to think he was trying to kill her lmao.
Yamato started pretending that she was Oden, Kaido's arch nemesis. And then took the side of rebelling samurai, who are his enemies.
Then there is Kaido's viewpoint that humans will fear and don't accept the Oni/ogre species. This stemmed from Kaido's childhood, where he was respected but feared for his power by the humans of his kingdom. And they just handed him over to make him a marine against his wishes when govt asked them to.
Kaido knew the realities of the world, while Yamato who was naive and sheltered, is an idealistic person.
This difference in experience and mindset moulded their overall perspective.
Kaido believed in anarchy, where survival of the fittest is the rule, in which there are no longer rules which are unfair and retarded in Kaido's eyes - rules which put even fodder celestial dragons like Charlos commanding top tiers like admirals.
While Yamato believed in stereotypical good guy actions.
Kaido still showed her CONSIDERABLE leniancy.
We know she challenged Kaido countless times. Yet, not one scar or permanent injury to show for it. Kaido just beats her up and leaves, nothing more.
Even Yamato vs Kaido in rooftop seemed like a lecture from Kaido to mend her ways. Dude wasn't going all out, but it was still too much for Yamato to think he was trying to kill her lmao.
I agree that Oda should have shown more of this in the actual manga.
Wano was rushed at the end, and Kaido’s backstory was too brief.
If Oda had shown more of his bonds with his crew, his fall into despair, and his original goals, Kaido could have been an even better villain.
Instead, a lot of his depth is buried in SBS and small flashbacks, which makes his character feel incomplete.
Wano was rushed at the end, and Kaido’s backstory was too brief.
If Oda had shown more of his bonds with his crew, his fall into despair, and his original goals, Kaido could have been an even better villain.
Instead, a lot of his depth is buried in SBS and small flashbacks, which makes his character feel incomplete.
Both BM and Kaido aren’t purely evil like your average CD, they’re far from that level of inhumanity. They’re just pirates ruling over their territory through might.
Oden only failed because he got cheated on, Kaido never proved he can beat Oden 1v1. They even had to trick Oden for 5 years to avoid confrontation. The Oden flashback is the biggest fuck up Oda did for Kaido’s character, not the lack of an interesting backstory. Kaido is just a blood warrior at his core anyways.
Oden only failed because he got cheated on, Kaido never proved he can beat Oden 1v1. They even had to trick Oden for 5 years to avoid confrontation. The Oden flashback is the biggest fuck up Oda did for Kaido’s character, not the lack of an interesting backstory. Kaido is just a blood warrior at his core anyways.
Agreed, he was basically turned into Orochi in that flashback. The Kaido we know is: interested in Joyboy/the void century/Ancient weapons, Fighting people, and breaking down the wills of his enemies until he submits. This character wouldn´t have let Oden be executed, just like he didn´t execute Luffy. He would torture him for information, or use his hostages as leverage. He even comments that Oden doesn´t have the old ¨Kozuki dignity¨
In this scene, I am literally curious if Oda confused Kaido and Orochi. Why would he know about the Kozuki ¨dignity¨?
In this scene, I am literally curious if Oda confused Kaido and Orochi. Why would he know about the Kozuki ¨dignity¨?
Agreed, he was basically turned into Orochi in that flashback. The Kaido we know is: interested in Joyboy/the void century/Ancient weapons, Fighting people, and breaking down the wills of his enemies until he submits. This character wouldn´t have let Oden be executed, just like he didn´t execute Luffy. He would torture him for information, or use his hostages as leverage. He even comments that Oden doesn´t have the old ¨Kozuki dignity¨
In this scene, I am literally curious if Oda confused Kaido and Orochi. Why would he know about the Kozuki ¨dignity¨?
In this scene, I am literally curious if Oda confused Kaido and Orochi. Why would he know about the Kozuki ¨dignity¨?
Evil people are not inherently incapable of caring about others. One Piece fans have this weird tendency of just fixating on only a small part of the tapestry.
Kaidō enslaved an entire nation of people, slaughtered their leaders and subjected them to dispossession, humiliation, starvation, imprisonment, summary executions and whatever other horrors you can think of.
He was about as evil as they come.
Kaidō enslaved an entire nation of people, slaughtered their leaders and subjected them to dispossession, humiliation, starvation, imprisonment, summary executions and whatever other horrors you can think of.
He was about as evil as they come.
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