General & Others If admirals are awakened...
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Because its risky af, they might not capture Ace
Marineford was smart because the Marines were stacked enough to intercept any other attack
You do realize that the Marines have other outlaws to look out for, like the 3 other yonko for example
Is this your brain malding after ZKK failed
Marineford was smart because the Marines were stacked enough to intercept any other attack
So they weren't able to touch ace because wb protected him, right? So 3 og awakened super admirals weren't able to low diff the half dead yonko, but at the same time admiral fans expect kizaru to wreck yonko and joyboy luffy, who beat kaido?
Is this your brain malding after ZKK failed
Yes they looked for them real hard during marineford. Kaido could have eaten 25 celestial dragons alive and the marines couldn't have been doing shit. Three yonko encountered prior to the war. The marines had lost the control entirely and only for Plot reasons nothing bad happened on other fronts. It's just another proof the marines are overstrained dealing with one single yonko, a half dead one in this case. Again, how is kizaru supposed to beat yonko luffy then?
Shichibukai you've mentioned? None of them really gave a fuck on marineford. The moment stuff gets serious they'd abandon their obligations, shown by Mihawk simply leaving the battlefield, or doffy threatening cp0 or croc plotting to build his own military force. They were not a reliable resource for the WG. But since admirals low diff yonko and no diff commanders, they wouldn't have needed them anyway, right?
Shichibukai you've mentioned? None of them really gave a fuck on marineford. The moment stuff gets serious they'd abandon their obligations, shown by Mihawk simply leaving the battlefield, or doffy threatening cp0 or croc plotting to build his own military force. They were not a reliable resource for the WG. But since admirals low diff yonko and no diff commanders, they wouldn't have needed them anyway, right?
Yes they looked for them real hard during marineford. Kaido could have eaten 25 celestial dragons alive and the marines couldn't have been doing shit. Three yonko encountered prior to the war. The marines had lost the control entirely and only for Plot reasons nothing bad happened on other fronts. It's just another proof the marines are overstrained dealing with one single yonko, a half dead one in this case. Again, how is kizaru supposed to beat yonko luffy then?
Shichibukai you've mentioned? None of them really gave a fuck on marineford. The moment stuff gets serious they'd abandon their obligations, shown by Mihawk simply leaving the battlefield, or doffy threatening cp0 or croc plotting to build his own military force. They were not a reliable resource for the WG. But since admirals low diff yonko and no diff commanders, they wouldn't have needed them anyway, right?
Shichibukai you've mentioned? None of them really gave a fuck on marineford. The moment stuff gets serious they'd abandon their obligations, shown by Mihawk simply leaving the battlefield, or doffy threatening cp0 or croc plotting to build his own military force. They were not a reliable resource for the WG. But since admirals low diff yonko and no diff commanders, they wouldn't have needed them anyway, right?
No. They couldn't. They'd burn all the understaffed marine bases down. And suddenly. The marines lose their foothold in the GL and NW
1 --- all of Luffy's 4 fights with big & powerful names before were difficult
( high/extreme diff ) ; with Doffy Cracker Kata and Kaido.
There are probably other reasons but i think this alone is a solid enough reason to think Kizaru is going down in at least high diff
( which imo will land Kizaru on BM/current BB lvl )
2 --- regarding the Balance of Powers -
> It used to be Marines + Shichi and crews ~ 4 Emperor crews
If you assemble Shichi and their crews into 1, they look like 1 Yonko crew, i don't think it was a coincidence.
They were supposed to balance 1 Yonko crew, while the Marines 3.
Just some examples of matchups between Shichi vs 1 Yonko crew :
Mihawk vs BM
Prime Moria/Yami BB/Weevil vs Kata
Doffy and prime Kuma vs Smoothie and Cracker
Crocodile/Jinbe/Hancock/Law vs Snack
Seats ( Vergo Pica Diamante Trebol ) vs Veterans - ( Peros Oven Daifuku Compote )
Giants ( from Buggy's crew or Oars from Moria's crew vs Big Mom's underlings who could assemble into one, which made them kinda like a giant
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Kaido also thought Marines "has a new force capable of stopping us"
--- "Us" being Beasts Pirates
--- "New force" being the 7 Seraphims which replaced the Shichi
( high/extreme diff ) ; with Doffy Cracker Kata and Kaido.
There are probably other reasons but i think this alone is a solid enough reason to think Kizaru is going down in at least high diff
( which imo will land Kizaru on BM/current BB lvl )
2 --- regarding the Balance of Powers -
> It used to be Marines + Shichi and crews ~ 4 Emperor crews
If you assemble Shichi and their crews into 1, they look like 1 Yonko crew, i don't think it was a coincidence.
They were supposed to balance 1 Yonko crew, while the Marines 3.
Just some examples of matchups between Shichi vs 1 Yonko crew :
Mihawk vs BM
Prime Moria/Yami BB/Weevil vs Kata
Doffy and prime Kuma vs Smoothie and Cracker
Crocodile/Jinbe/Hancock/Law vs Snack
Seats ( Vergo Pica Diamante Trebol ) vs Veterans - ( Peros Oven Daifuku Compote )
Giants ( from Buggy's crew or Oars from Moria's crew vs Big Mom's underlings who could assemble into one, which made them kinda like a giant
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Kaido also thought Marines "has a new force capable of stopping us"
--- "Us" being Beasts Pirates
--- "New force" being the 7 Seraphims which replaced the Shichi
It's pretty clear the warlords are MEANT to be stronger than one emperor crew.
Hence why 3 former warlords make up 1 emperor crew with the marines not knowing Buggy is weak.
That being said. All 4 emperor crews>>>marines and warlords combined.
Basically. On paper. The gap between the warlords and marines are not as big as the fandom thinks.
Hence why 3 former warlords make up 1 emperor crew with the marines not knowing Buggy is weak.
That being said. All 4 emperor crews>>>marines and warlords combined.
Basically. On paper. The gap between the warlords and marines are not as big as the fandom thinks.
Since MF is brought up why not bring up Hachinosu then.
Marines + 7 Warlords were much stronger than WBP in MF, but Oda managed to make it a fight.
Well now them being much stronger is even clearer since we've seen more from some characters that were in MF ( let's say Garp and Marco ).
( Garp almost didn't fight vs WBP ofc, also Sengoku )
It can be added that the OG Admirals were handicapped in MF, because it is a property owned by Marines/WG.
Fujitora and Ryokugyu were handicapped in Mariejoa because MJ is a property of the WG :
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Anyway, Oda did the same thing with the 5 BBPs in Hachinosu vs Garp + SWORD.
The 5 BBPs were much stronger but Oda could manage to make it a fight if he wanted to ( and he did ).
And Garp + SWORD is a fraction of Marines' full strength.
Add to them halfway retired Sengoku, Smoker, Chaton, Momousagi, John Giant, Tsuru, and maybe they'd win against even the entire Yonko crew itself ( BBP ).
Even with them vs BBP, the Marines still have A LOT left :
----- the SSG ( Marines' science group )
The current Powerhouses of SSG :
--- 50 Pacifistas
--- "countless" Robot Sea Beasts
--- 7 Seraphims
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Other than all of them :
--- Akainu
--- Kizaru
--- Fujitora
--- Ryokugyu
--- John Giant
--- Tsuru
--- 20 + other VAs etc. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Marines
--- 100K + soldiers, 50 massive Battleships, 80 other smaller ships
Marines + 7 Warlords were much stronger than WBP in MF, but Oda managed to make it a fight.
Well now them being much stronger is even clearer since we've seen more from some characters that were in MF ( let's say Garp and Marco ).
( Garp almost didn't fight vs WBP ofc, also Sengoku )
Fujitora and Ryokugyu were handicapped in Mariejoa because MJ is a property of the WG :
Anyway, Oda did the same thing with the 5 BBPs in Hachinosu vs Garp + SWORD.
The 5 BBPs were much stronger but Oda could manage to make it a fight if he wanted to ( and he did ).
And Garp + SWORD is a fraction of Marines' full strength.
Add to them halfway retired Sengoku, Smoker, Chaton, Momousagi, John Giant, Tsuru, and maybe they'd win against even the entire Yonko crew itself ( BBP ).
Even with them vs BBP, the Marines still have A LOT left :
----- the SSG ( Marines' science group )
The current Powerhouses of SSG :
--- 50 Pacifistas
--- "countless" Robot Sea Beasts
Other than all of them :
--- Akainu
--- Kizaru
--- Fujitora
--- Ryokugyu
--- Tsuru
--- 20 + other VAs etc. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Marines
--- 100K + soldiers, 50 massive Battleships, 80 other smaller ships
Since MF is brought up why not bring up Hachinosu then.
Marines + 7 Warlords were much stronger than WBP in MF, but Oda managed to make it a fight.
Well now them being much stronger is even clearer since we've seen more from some characters that were in MF ( let's say Garp and Marco ).
( Garp almost didn't fight vs WBP ofc, also Sengoku )
It can be added that the OG Admirals were handicapped in MF, because it is a property owned by Marines/WG.
Fujitora and Ryokugyu were handicapped in Mariejoa because MJ is a property of the WG :
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Anyway, Oda did the same thing with the 5 BBPs in Hachinosu vs Garp + SWORD.
The 5 BBPs were much stronger but Oda could manage to make it a fight if he wanted to ( and he did ).
And Garp + SWORD is a fraction of Marines' full strength.
Add to them halfway retired Sengoku, Smoker, Chaton, Momousagi, John Giant, Tsuru, and maybe they'd win against even the entire Yonko crew itself ( BBP ).
Even with them vs BBP, the Marines still have A LOT left :
----- the SSG ( Marines' science group )
The current Powerhouses of SSG :
--- 50 Pacifistas
--- "countless" Robot Sea Beasts
--- 7 Seraphims
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Other than all of them :
--- Akainu
--- Kizaru
--- Fujitora
--- Ryokugyu
--- John Giant
--- Tsuru
--- 20 + other VAs etc. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Marines
--- 100K + soldiers, 50 massive Battleships, 80 other smaller ships
Marines + 7 Warlords were much stronger than WBP in MF, but Oda managed to make it a fight.
Well now them being much stronger is even clearer since we've seen more from some characters that were in MF ( let's say Garp and Marco ).
( Garp almost didn't fight vs WBP ofc, also Sengoku )
Fujitora and Ryokugyu were handicapped in Mariejoa because MJ is a property of the WG :
Anyway, Oda did the same thing with the 5 BBPs in Hachinosu vs Garp + SWORD.
The 5 BBPs were much stronger but Oda could manage to make it a fight if he wanted to ( and he did ).
And Garp + SWORD is a fraction of Marines' full strength.
Add to them halfway retired Sengoku, Smoker, Chaton, Momousagi, John Giant, Tsuru, and maybe they'd win against even the entire Yonko crew itself ( BBP ).
Even with them vs BBP, the Marines still have A LOT left :
----- the SSG ( Marines' science group )
The current Powerhouses of SSG :
--- 50 Pacifistas
--- "countless" Robot Sea Beasts
Other than all of them :
--- Akainu
--- Kizaru
--- Fujitora
--- Ryokugyu
--- Tsuru
--- 20 + other VAs etc. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Marines
--- 100K + soldiers, 50 massive Battleships, 80 other smaller ships
Full stop. 2 admirals are NOT taking down a yonko crew lol.
Blackbeard and Kuzan take out Fujitora and Issho.
The 9 other titanic captains take out 20+ vice admirals and then there are still thousands of fodder lol in a yonko crew.
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And if kizaru is expected to give luffy a HARD time (some even say luffy will get wrecked) and if they are able to no diff YC1s like a couple people say, how come they never even dared to assault any yonko?
They only managed to lure an old walking corpse of a legend into their headquarters and even there the WG shat their pants and has assembled it's most powerful military might.
How come law+kid(+plot armor) level meme and WCI was never attacked by the marines?
I mean. Simply send 2 og admirals there, one low diffs meme, one no diffs all the commanders at once, right?
They only managed to lure an old walking corpse of a legend into their headquarters and even there the WG shat their pants and has assembled it's most powerful military might.
How come law+kid(+plot armor) level meme and WCI was never attacked by the marines?
I mean. Simply send 2 og admirals there, one low diffs meme, one no diffs all the commanders at once, right?
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So they weren't able to touch ace because wb protected him, right? So 3 og awakened super admirals weren't able to low diff the half dead yonko, but at the same time admiral fans expect kizaru to wreck yonko and joyboy luffy, who beat kaido?
Kuzan ? Yes
----- depends on which Yonko crew
The CG ? I believe Fuji and halfway retired Sengoku can take them out.
If i'm gonna be a bit more generous to CG, let's give Fuji and Sengoku current Smoker, he could be anywhere from the likes of Cracker/Jack to YC1s now
----- which Admirals could be a factor as well.
With Fuji and Ryo, i'm not as sure as i'm with the 3 OG Admirals, that those 2 have Awakenings
The 3 OG Admirals currently has the upperhand as well in Base strength :
-- with Kuzan's pure physical punches being as strong as prime Garp's
-- and with a little help from ice, his punch matched Old Garp's ACoC + CoA/ACoA punch in Hachinosu
-- and Kizaru said "he taught everything he could" to Sento, who is a DFless fighter, who can attack/defend with barrier haki + physical strength
Kizaru also said "my defense is just as good as yours" to Sento in official translation at least
I assuming you mean Fuji + Ryo.
I do think Current BB + Kuzan beats them, high/extreme diff.
And i'm taking back my words that this Marine team can beat the BBP :
Though i think this team can take out the CG.
Without Garp/Chaton/Momousagi, yeah i give the 9 Titanic Captains the win, even if current Smoker/Tsuru/John Giant being given to the 20+ VAs.
With Chaton/Momousagi, not sure the 9 Titanic Captains would win.
But i'm interested in the 9 Egghead VAs ; they've made the landfall in the latest chapter.
Just give them Coby to Honesty Impact them, and Prince Grus.
Let's give those 2 other SWORD members as well.
----- depends on which Yonko crew
The CG ? I believe Fuji and halfway retired Sengoku can take them out.
If i'm gonna be a bit more generous to CG, let's give Fuji and Sengoku current Smoker, he could be anywhere from the likes of Cracker/Jack to YC1s now
----- which Admirals could be a factor as well.
With Fuji and Ryo, i'm not as sure as i'm with the 3 OG Admirals, that those 2 have Awakenings
The 3 OG Admirals currently has the upperhand as well in Base strength :
-- with Kuzan's pure physical punches being as strong as prime Garp's
-- and with a little help from ice, his punch matched Old Garp's ACoC + CoA/ACoA punch in Hachinosu
-- and Kizaru said "he taught everything he could" to Sento, who is a DFless fighter, who can attack/defend with barrier haki + physical strength
Kizaru also said "my defense is just as good as yours" to Sento in official translation at least
I assuming you mean Fuji + Ryo.
I do think Current BB + Kuzan beats them, high/extreme diff.
And i'm taking back my words that this Marine team can beat the BBP :
Though i think this team can take out the CG.
Without Garp/Chaton/Momousagi, yeah i give the 9 Titanic Captains the win, even if current Smoker/Tsuru/John Giant being given to the 20+ VAs.
With Chaton/Momousagi, not sure the 9 Titanic Captains would win.
But i'm interested in the 9 Egghead VAs ; they've made the landfall in the latest chapter.
Just give them Coby to Honesty Impact them, and Prince Grus.
Let's give those 2 other SWORD members as well.
You are severely overestimating how strong random marines are if you think Grus are taking out the fodder. We literally Izo, Jinbei and tons of other strong people struggling with BP fodder.
And you have to remember. Buggy is considered STRONG by the Wg and marines
Bottom left. The marines and WG don't think the CG is an emperor level fighter and Crocodile combined.
The marines absolutely consider Buggy a powerful fighter who should at least be admiral tier.
So conclusion?
The current yonko have 6 top tiers according to the WG if you consider admirals top tier.
And their high level fighters ARE much stronger than the "high level fighters" of the marines.
And you have to remember. Buggy is considered STRONG by the Wg and marines
Bottom left. The marines and WG don't think the CG is an emperor level fighter and Crocodile combined.
The marines absolutely consider Buggy a powerful fighter who should at least be admiral tier.
So conclusion?
The current yonko have 6 top tiers according to the WG if you consider admirals top tier.
And their high level fighters ARE much stronger than the "high level fighters" of the marines.
I don't consider Grus a random Marine, he gives me the vibe he could be a Vet tier fighter, even if below Peros Daifuku Oven, and just above Compote.
And he probably has a Logia since Clay is a natural element.
And seems he was manhandling BBP fodders here :
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1080-page-11.html
Though yes thousands of fodders can occupy him for a long time, but i did say he's with other SWORD and Coby, who can take out a lot of fodders with Honesty Impact.
Well i must have missed that.
Still in actuality he's a fodder.
I'd say yes, the WG seems to consider Buggy a top tier, especially with his 3.2 B bounty taken into account as well.
But in actuality he's a fodder, so in actuality the current Yonko has 5 top tiers.
I consider even the 4 oldies as top tiers - Garp/Sengoku/Rayleigh/Kong.
So the Marines has 6 top tiers ; or 5 since Garp isn't active/still being held by the BBP ( until he's exchanged with the WG ).
Top Tiers ? Disagree.
----- i rank Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru on the same lvl as Mihawk/Shanks/Luffy, until proven otherwise.
Which may happen in this arc with Kizaru vs Luffy.
----- i rank Fuji and Ryo on the same lvl as current BB.
----- Sengoku and Garp on a lvl right below Fuji's/Ryo's/BB's lvl.
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If you actually include the ones below top tiers in this "high lvl fighters" :
----- then yeah, the current Yonko crews could very well have more Top 3 Commanders+ fighters than the Marines, or at least stronger.
SH has Zoro and Sanji, maybe count Jinbe as well. Add Crocodile to them, makes it 4.
The RHP and BBP could have more than 3 Top 3 Commanders+ people each, though so far only Shiryu and Pizarro stood out from the BBP.
----- the Marines on the other hand has 7 Seraphims who aren't adults yet, who Vegapunk said represent the highest echelon of science conceivable, and are the strongest form of humanity :
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1070-page-9.html
And there are Chaton/Momousagi/Smoker/Tsuru/John Giant who i rate as Top 3 Commanders tier
And he probably has a Logia since Clay is a natural element.
And seems he was manhandling BBP fodders here :
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1080-page-11.html
Though yes thousands of fodders can occupy him for a long time, but i did say he's with other SWORD and Coby, who can take out a lot of fodders with Honesty Impact.
Well i must have missed that.
Still in actuality he's a fodder.
I'd say yes, the WG seems to consider Buggy a top tier, especially with his 3.2 B bounty taken into account as well.
But in actuality he's a fodder, so in actuality the current Yonko has 5 top tiers.
I consider even the 4 oldies as top tiers - Garp/Sengoku/Rayleigh/Kong.
So the Marines has 6 top tiers ; or 5 since Garp isn't active/still being held by the BBP ( until he's exchanged with the WG ).
Top Tiers ? Disagree.
----- i rank Akainu/Aokiji/Kizaru on the same lvl as Mihawk/Shanks/Luffy, until proven otherwise.
Which may happen in this arc with Kizaru vs Luffy.
----- i rank Fuji and Ryo on the same lvl as current BB.
----- Sengoku and Garp on a lvl right below Fuji's/Ryo's/BB's lvl.
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If you actually include the ones below top tiers in this "high lvl fighters" :
----- then yeah, the current Yonko crews could very well have more Top 3 Commanders+ fighters than the Marines, or at least stronger.
SH has Zoro and Sanji, maybe count Jinbe as well. Add Crocodile to them, makes it 4.
The RHP and BBP could have more than 3 Top 3 Commanders+ people each, though so far only Shiryu and Pizarro stood out from the BBP.
----- the Marines on the other hand has 7 Seraphims who aren't adults yet, who Vegapunk said represent the highest echelon of science conceivable, and are the strongest form of humanity :
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1070-page-9.html
And there are Chaton/Momousagi/Smoker/Tsuru/John Giant who i rate as Top 3 Commanders tier
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