Shiki has one of the most versatile DF in the series. His power is basically telekinesis. Fuwa Fuwa no Mi, in my opinion, is on par with Uo Uo, Soru Soru, Gura Gura or Yami Yami. So if he made a canonical appearance, what level do you think he would have? And if the Battle of Edd War hadn’t happened, do you think he would be a Yonko?
Character Discussion If Shiki makes a canonical appearance in the manga, how powerful will he be?
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Edd War while dealt a huge blow to his forces, I doubt he couldn't recover, nothing a few years of recruitment in the Golden Age of Pirates wouldn't fix
The main thing that did him was that he was so humiliated by Roger that he went insane from hearing about Roger's Capture
Honestly if he went back to normal after escaping Impel Down he would have easily been a Yonko
Edd War while dealt a huge blow to his forces, I doubt he couldn't recover, nothing a few years of recruitment in the Golden Age of Pirates wouldn't fix
The main thing that did him was that he was so humiliated by Roger that he went insane from hearing about Roger's Capture
Honestly if he went back to normal after escaping Impel Down he would have easily been a Yonko
Classic case of ignoring everything about a character smh....
Not remotely sure how someone stated multiple times, to be a leading figure in WB/Rogers era Suck as a pirate. Especially when he’s the only pirate from that era, to actually “seriously” Challenge the Rogers pirates. His portrayal against the marines was better then WB too, he actually had a marine rivalry similar to Rogers/Garps. Calling this guy a Bronze medalist doesn’t even make sense to be real.
Not remotely sure how someone stated multiple times, to be a leading figure in WB/Rogers era Suck as a pirate. Especially when he’s the only pirate from that era, to actually “seriously” Challenge the Rogers pirates. His portrayal against the marines was better then WB too, he actually had a marine rivalry similar to Rogers/Garps. Calling this guy a Bronze medalist doesn’t even make sense to be real.
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“Stated multiple times” in secondary sources and as movie hype. The guy is completely irrelevant in the actual manga, where it’s all about Rocks, Whitebeard and Garp. Shiki’s relegated to an Easter egg.
Factually wrong, as Whitebeard was the one famous for fighting and him and Rocks was considered his greatest challenge. The three day fight in Oden’s flashback >>> the Edd War, where Shiki vastly outnumbered Roger in a situation where his broken DF gave him all the advantages, and yet still ended up permanently maimed while Roger walked away without a scratch.
No it wasn’t. Even in his old age the Marines assembled the FA, the three Admirals and the Warlords to try and take on Whitebeard. Garp and Sengoku alone were enough for Shiki.
Pretty simple.
Gold medal, Roger and Whitebeard
Silver medal, BM and Kaido
Bronze medal, Shiki.
Factually wrong, as Whitebeard was the one famous for fighting and him and Rocks was considered his greatest challenge. The three day fight in Oden’s flashback >>> the Edd War, where Shiki vastly outnumbered Roger in a situation where his broken DF gave him all the advantages, and yet still ended up permanently maimed while Roger walked away without a scratch.
No it wasn’t. Even in his old age the Marines assembled the FA, the three Admirals and the Warlords to try and take on Whitebeard. Garp and Sengoku alone were enough for Shiki.
Pretty simple.
Gold medal, Roger and Whitebeard
Silver medal, BM and Kaido
Bronze medal, Shiki.
Fucking Captain John has been mentioned more in the manga than Shiki has lol.
Oda used chapter 0 to make Shiki seem more important than he really is by giving him vague hype that could easily be misinterpreted to make Shiki look like a beast. Chapter 0 makes it seem like Roger just got lucky that a storm showed up and saved him, when it actuality it was almost certainly Roger who summoned that storm, likely with Advanced CoC. Shiki fought Garp and Sengoku, but chapter 0 doesn’t show their fight, so people can assume that it was a tough fight when it really could have been a low diff for all we know.
Oda used chapter 0 to make Shiki seem more important than he really is by giving him vague hype that could easily be misinterpreted to make Shiki look like a beast. Chapter 0 makes it seem like Roger just got lucky that a storm showed up and saved him, when it actuality it was almost certainly Roger who summoned that storm, likely with Advanced CoC. Shiki fought Garp and Sengoku, but chapter 0 doesn’t show their fight, so people can assume that it was a tough fight when it really could have been a low diff for all we know.
Roger was like Luffy, a very lucky person. That's why the storm swept away the entire Golden Lion fleet.
The context is not the same. To fight against Whitebeard, Sengoku prepared a great defense (admirals, shichibukais, etc) because he knew that he would come with all his crew (Marco, Jozu, Vista, etc) plus the allied captains of the NW.
Instead, Shiki appeared ALONE and by surprise. They couldn't summon anyone else, and Garp and Sengoku were the only ones in Marineford. If Whitebeard had appeared alone, two admirals would have been enough to stop him.
I'm sure that in Roger's era, Shiki was stronger than Kaido and Big Mom. I would even say that along with Whitebeard they were the strongest members of Rocks.
Roger >= Prime Whitebeard > Prime Shiki > Pre-Yonko Kaido and Big Mom
The context is not the same. To fight against Whitebeard, Sengoku prepared a great defense (admirals, shichibukais, etc) because he knew that he would come with all his crew (Marco, Jozu, Vista, etc) plus the allied captains of the NW.
Instead, Shiki appeared ALONE and by surprise. They couldn't summon anyone else, and Garp and Sengoku were the only ones in Marineford. If Whitebeard had appeared alone, two admirals would have been enough to stop him.
I'm sure that in Roger's era, Shiki was stronger than Kaido and Big Mom. I would even say that along with Whitebeard they were the strongest members of Rocks.
Roger >= Prime Whitebeard > Prime Shiki > Pre-Yonko Kaido and Big Mom
An ur points what exactly?? That secondary source is used constantly by the fan base.... An since there are multiple statements the authenticity isn’t in question.
So by literally definition what ur saying makes no actual sense. How’s someone that ruled beside 2 gold medalist, a bronze himself?? U never actually state why in either post. I can see silver, but bronze is a clear lowball imo. It literally goes against established portrayal....
shiki almost beat Rogers, if not for A force of nature itself coming to Rogers aid. Not sure how just fighting better but I’ll leave that to u to explain....
Ur scaling on the war imo is ridiculously stupid tho. How was a friendly unserious fight, that WB didn’t even using his fruit in. Not just better then the biggest war of the era, But significantly so. like what???
looking at Ur reasoning makes it worst:
- Rogers is fighting with multiple top tiers on his crew. Yet u weirdly enough found it unfair shiki has more fodder in his crew(seriously)?
- No indication Rogers was at any disadvantage on the sea. We dnt even know enough about Rogers abilities to make that statement yet. Nor does it matter Roger wasn’t tricked to fight at sea. He showed up for a fight at sea there’s a difference.
WB an crew smh.... look at ur arguments ur clearly being disingenuous to the Man. Sengoku lead admiral was specifically a rival of shiki. WB had no admiral actively pursuing him. This isn’t hard or confusing. Rogers & Shiki are the only 2 with that distinction. Along with the war he’s clearly above the Yonko .
Scales random as all hell, at least give a reason it’s bronze an not silver. Hell the bold directly above this is already better then the Yonko
So by literally definition what ur saying makes no actual sense. How’s someone that ruled beside 2 gold medalist, a bronze himself?? U never actually state why in either post. I can see silver, but bronze is a clear lowball imo. It literally goes against established portrayal....
shiki almost beat Rogers, if not for A force of nature itself coming to Rogers aid. Not sure how just fighting better but I’ll leave that to u to explain....
Ur scaling on the war imo is ridiculously stupid tho. How was a friendly unserious fight, that WB didn’t even using his fruit in. Not just better then the biggest war of the era, But significantly so. like what???
looking at Ur reasoning makes it worst:
- Rogers is fighting with multiple top tiers on his crew. Yet u weirdly enough found it unfair shiki has more fodder in his crew(seriously)?
- No indication Rogers was at any disadvantage on the sea. We dnt even know enough about Rogers abilities to make that statement yet. Nor does it matter Roger wasn’t tricked to fight at sea. He showed up for a fight at sea there’s a difference.
WB an crew smh.... look at ur arguments ur clearly being disingenuous to the Man. Sengoku lead admiral was specifically a rival of shiki. WB had no admiral actively pursuing him. This isn’t hard or confusing. Rogers & Shiki are the only 2 with that distinction. Along with the war he’s clearly above the Yonko .
Scales random as all hell, at least give a reason it’s bronze an not silver. Hell the bold directly above this is already better then the Yonko
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