Current Events If Vegapunk is clearly an idiot, Lunarians and Seraphin are plot holes.

Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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DonWick said:
I’ll give you an example Boa took out multiple commanders in front of BB. Also why would Mihawk be an exception? He doesn’t have Kizarus lasers, Lunarian Durability or a Devil Fruit. They are knock off warlords.
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Mihawk has one things the others don’t, abilities that can’t be replicated.

Yes Boa and jinbe both have haki, but neithers haki is all that powerful. Mihawk has a black blade and powerful enough haki to allow him to fight against Shanks and become the WSS. So despite his swordsmanship being able to be replicated by Hawk, they’ll never be able to replicate his sword or his haki.

Boa took out multiple commanders and it’s shown that Snake would have the exact same ability to do so since she has Boas abilities and her cutness to make those powers work well.

Shark, Snake, and Bear all gained boosts with little to no trade off.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Sir Yasheen said:
Mihawk has one things the others don’t, abilities that can’t be replicated.

Yes Boa and jinbe both have haki, but neithers haki is all that powerful. Mihawk has a black blade and powerful enough haki to allow him to fight against Shanks and become the WSS. So despite his swordsmanship being able to be replicated by Hawk, they’ll never be able to replicate his sword or his haki.

Boa took out multiple commanders and it’s shown that Snake would have the exact same ability to do so since she has Boas abilities and her cutness to make those powers work well.

Shark, Snake, and Bear all gained boosts with little to no trade off.
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How do you know Boa’s haki isn’t that powerful? She has all three types? Jinbeis CoA is pretty good too. I personally think that all of the originals what beat all of the knockoffs. Also there is know way to know if SSnake would have been able to do that. BB crew seems like the “fuck time kids” type of people lol.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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DonWick said:
How do you know Boa’s haki isn’t that powerful? She has all three types? Jinbeis CoA is pretty good too. I personally think that all of the originals what beat all of the knockoffs. Also there is know way to know if SSnake would have been able to do that. BB crew seems like the “fuck time kids” type of people lol.
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I don’t remember Boas haki ever really getting much hype outside of, having it. I mean hell, pre timeskip luffy was able to beat the armament and observation specialist of her crew. I can’t imagine her haki being much better than hers.

As for Jinbes CoA, it’s strong but is still not a primary part of his fighting style. Looking at him, he uses his CoA to defend before switching to his fishman karate for offense, which with that the flame durability is a MASSIVE upgrade. And let’s not forget the speed boost. Combine that with the fact that Shark gets all the power of sea jinbe on land? It’s not even a contest between the two.

And I think the one who hunts beautiful ladies and girls as well as a rapist would definitely fall for Snake…
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Sir Yasheen said:
I don’t remember Boas haki ever really getting much hype outside of, having it. I mean hell, pre timeskip luffy was able to beat the armament and observation specialist of her crew. I can’t imagine her haki being much better than hers.

As for Jinbes CoA, it’s strong but is still not a primary part of his fighting style. Looking at him, he uses his CoA to defend before switching to his fishman karate for offense, which with that the flame durability is a MASSIVE upgrade. And let’s not forget the speed boost. Combine that with the fact that Shark gets all the power of sea jinbe on land? It’s not even a contest between the two.

And I think the one who hunts beautiful ladies and girls as well as a rapist would definitely fall for Snake…
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I think the Lunarian defense is an upgrade and a terrible plot hole. However I also think they are still developing and not S strong as the originals because of it. Maybe the Muma Seraphim is because the current Kuma is brainless.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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DonWick said:
I think the Lunarian defense is an upgrade and a terrible plot hole. However I also think they are still developing and not S strong as the originals because of it. Maybe the Muma Seraphim is because the current Kuma is brainless.
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Idk after seeing S-Snake I don’t think there’s much development needed. She seems to be an expert in her abilities capitalizing on being cute with poses before shooting, using perfume femur; and once she learned her own weakness of the bubbles perfectly avoided them.

Again I think people are downplaying the seraphim because they’re stuck against powerful opponents. Hell Franky and Robin and Brook are above Tobi Roppo and they’re no match for the seraphim themselves.

At minimum their feats should make them High commander. But looking at their actual specs and portrayal there’s no way people should deny they’re above the commanders of Whitebeard/Big Mom/Kaido.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Sir Yasheen said:
Idk after seeing S-Snake I don’t think there’s much development needed. She seems to be an expert in her abilities capitalizing on being cute with poses before shooting, using perfume femur; and once she learned her own weakness of the bubbles perfectly avoided them.

Again I think people are downplaying the seraphim because they’re stuck against powerful opponents. Hell Franky and Robin and Brook are above Tobi Roppo and they’re no match for the seraphim themselves.

At minimum their feats should make them High commander. But looking at their actual specs and portrayal there’s no way people should deny they’re above the commanders of Whitebeard/Big Mom/Kaido.
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When you say commanders it’s too broad because I think that Marco washes them all. So would Jozu and Vista.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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DonWick said:
When you say commanders it’s too broad because I think that Marco washes them all. So would Jozu and Vista.
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I don’t see Marco Jozu or vista standing a chance against any of them.

What’s Marco going to do? He really wasn’t doing lasting damage to Queen or King. And he’s the only one on a timer as the lower his stamina the worse his regen. As such I’d take any seraphim over him any day.

Jozus like the seraphim but worse as he may be as durable as them, but in fighting skill mihawk jinbe and kuma are just better set.

And cmon, vista?
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Sir Yasheen said:
I don’t see Marco Jozu or vista standing a chance against any of them.

What’s Marco going to do? He really wasn’t doing lasting damage to Queen or King. And he’s the only one on a timer as the lower his stamina the worse his regen. As such I’d take any seraphim over him any day.

Jozus like the seraphim but worse as he may be as durable as them, but in fighting skill mihawk jinbe and kuma are just better set.

And cmon, vista?
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Vista clashed with Mihawk. I don’t see S Hawk being able to do that. I also think the moment their weakness is discovered they’ll lose. Marco was more powerful that King and Queen. People really don’t give him credit. He’s fought admirals, Yonko and two commanders at once.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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DonWick said:
Vista clashed with Mihawk. I don’t see S Hawk being able to do that. I also think the moment their weakness is discovered they’ll lose. Marco was more powerful that King and Queen. People really don’t give him credit. He’s fought admirals, Yonko and two commanders at once.
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Marcos not more powerful than King and Queen, he’s just like how you seem to describe the seraphim. A weaker combatant with a strong hax.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Sir Yasheen said:
Marcos not more powerful than King and Queen, he’s just like how you seem to describe the seraphim. A weaker combatant with a strong hax.
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We have to disagree there, he was able to knock them around like bowling pins with sheer speed and power His hax didn’t play much of a role.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Sir Yasheen said:
I think in a 1v1 king may pull out a win and Queen would push him to high or extreme diff.

Marco just had the ideal powers to kill time imo. And when it comes to Marineford, none of the admirals were fighting all out.
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Queen certainly loses as for King it just depends on rather Marco can figure out the weakness or not. So it sounds like we agree somewhat there.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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DonWick said:
Queen certainly loses as for King it just depends on rather Marco can figure out the weakness or not. So it sounds like we agree somewhat there.
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Yeah I have the seraphim above any of those commanders because again, they need to be in order for these four to truly be a member of the three great powers
 
Peppercat

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DonWick said:
Let’s start with Vegapunk, if you are the smartest man in the world why wouldn’t you take someone that could fight with you to where you suspected the other punks to be? We know it’s either a traitor or an enemy why go by yourself without mentioning to anyone where you’re going?
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What are you on about?
Vegapunk was with the Satellites the entire time until he got picked off by Bonney. Nobody had any idea there was a traitor at that point.
By the time we learned there was a traitor, he was already long captured cause Bonney left him outside the room where Kuma's memories are.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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Peppercat said:
What are you on about?
Vegapunk was with the Satellites the entire time until he got picked off by Bonney. Nobody had any idea there was a traitor at that point.
By the time we learned there was a traitor, he was already long captured cause Bonney left him outside the room where Kuma's memories are.
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Bro I’m clearly referring to Shaka who is also Vegapunk
 
ShadowStyle369

ShadowStyle369

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DonWick said:
Just to be clear I hate the Seraphim and I am starting to hate Vegapunk.

Let’s start with Vegapunk, if you are the smartest man in the world why wouldn’t you take someone that could fight with you to where you suspected the other punks to be? We know it’s either a traitor or an enemy why go by yourself without mentioning to anyone where you’re going?

Why not tell the people protecting you from the seraphim’s their weakness? If he doesn’t know it that’s a plot hole.

Now for the Lunarians, if you can just be invisible with your flame on, why would you ever take it off? Why do you need to be fast if you can tank everything? They shouldn’t ever lose. Oda needs to write them a better weakness immediately.

If they can easily compete with Yonko and Yonko commanders then the government should easily destroy the Yonko.
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Adv coc incoming for flame on mode
 
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