Questions & Mysteries Imu and Gorosei Discussion - What is Imu? And why Gorosei obeys him/her

What is Imu?

  • He/she is an alien with top tier powers

  • He/she is an alien with NO top tier powers

  • He/she is a regular human with top tier powers

  • He/she is a regular human with NO top tier powers

  • He/she is a regular human with a special Hax ability (like Sugar's) but no top tier combat power

  • He/she is an alien with a special Hax ability but no top tier combat power

  • Not allien, not human, it's a special hybrid being with top tier powers

  • Not allien, not human, it's a special hybrid being with NO top tier powers

  • Not allien, not human, it's a special hybrid being with a special Hax ability but NO top tier powers

  • He/she is an immortal being due to Ope Ope no mi's youth surgery, and has top tier powers

  • He/she is an immortal being due to Ope Ope no mi's youth surgery, but NO top tier powers

  • Other


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#1



Judging from the wanted poster size comparison, he/she looks like an average person, not large or not even a big one.

The government keeps her/his identity as a secret, could be related to;

- Safety / security reasons because she/he isn't strong and could be assassinated
- He/she is not from this world (an alien) so the people, Celestial Dragons, and the majority of the Marines wouldn't like it,
- He/she is an immortal due to Ope ope no mi youth surgery, and again due to security reasons they keep her/his identity as a secret

We also don't know if the upper echelons of the Marines and CP0 (though considering CP's position they probably know it too) knows about him/her or not, Doflamingo said that he learned the ''secret treasure'' in Marijoa, thus the Celestial Dragons were chasing him and wanted him to die, and they gave him a seat in Shichibukai so he could collaborate.

If the secret that Doflamingo knew was Imu, then that also means other Celestial Dragons knows about Imu as well due to chasing and wanting to kill Doflamingo because of learning their secret,

This is where the things are getting interesting, because we know that the Admirals are the ''direct subordinates'' of the Celestial Dragons as Sengoku said, which means that they might know the secrets that Celestial Dragons also knows, so all Admirals and Fleet Admirals might know about Imu if other Celestial Dragons and Doflamingo knows it.

CP0 is also highly possible, considering they are even more close subordinates to Celestial Dragons than Admirals are.

What about Garp? If the information about Imu is only exclusive to the ''direct subordinates'' of Celestial Dragons (who are CP0 and Admirals), and Garp also didn't want to be an Admiral due to not wanting to be a direct subordinate of Celestial Dragons, then it's lucky for World Government that Garp didn't become an Admiral, he might leave the marines after learning, or he also knows it like the other Admirals, but he simply doesn't care.

The information might be only exclusive to the highest ranked Celestial Dragons like Gorousei and their other highest ranked potential replacements, then Admirals and low ranked Celestial Dragons might not know about this as well.

Also about Gorousei, why they are only 5? Why not 4 or 6? What's the thing about 5?

Their structure might be similar to Revolutionary Army's structure;

D: ''Hello. In Chapter 905 of Volume 90, when Betty and Koala spoke, Koala had a girl with black hair on the left side. The girl also had a mechanical arm. What is her name? Please tell me!''

Oda: ''There are 5 Commanders in the Revolutionary Army, of the East, West, North, South and G (Grand Line) armies. Ivankov is the Commander of G army, and Inazuma is his assistant, the deputy commander. This girl is Ahiru, the deputy commander of the East army and the assistant of Belo Betty.''
--- SBS Volume 93
As you can see from Revolutionary Army, which opposes directly the World Government;

- East Army
- South Army
- West Army
- North Army
- G Army (Grand Line first half)

If every member of Gorousei is responsible from one area (like South, East etc) then it make sense that they are only 5, just like the Revolutionary commanders.

And the one who is responsible from the new world is no one (since the Emperors of the Sea, Yonko controls that area), or represents Imu itself, if the learning the secret about Imu is on the last new world island; Laugh Tale.

As for the question why that Gorousei obeys Imu, if Imu isn't a top-tier? Is that mean that Imu is %100 a top-tier?

I think this is a good question, but still there could be an answer for that it doesn't necessarily mean Imu is %100 a top-tier (although it's still highly possible),

Imagine CP0, and Admirals. They can one-shot Celestial Dragons, who are fodders. But they still obey Celestial Dragons. It was the same with Spandam, who wasn't even a Celestial Dragon, and CP9 was obeying the orders from fodder Spandam.

If Gorousei are chosen from the high ranked Celestial Dragons, and if they were trained from the youth (just like CP9), then they might be loyal to Imu just like CP0 and other CP agents were loyal to fodder Spandam and Celestial Dragons. This could be an explanation on why they obey Imu if he/she is a fodder. And we know that Admirals also obeys Celestial Dragons as well (except for Garp). Although this might not be the case, Imu can still be a top-tier.

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#5
Imu could be someone simply with a special ability. Would probably go as far as saying Im and Gorosei all devised the plan to manipulate people and granted them the ope ope no mi to gain eternal youth, with Imu having another special power as abonus like selected few characters have like Momo or Shirahoshi.

He doesn't have to be top tier to be protected, Gorosei act like his personal guard, like how low tier CD's have admirals and CP0 as guards. They simply deem Imu as someone very important with some special ability, perhaps a more overpowered future sight or some shit. Gorosei are willing to go even as far as doing a great cleansing, some genocide shit.
 
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TheKnightOfTheSea

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#6
If the secret that Doflamingo knew was Imu, then that also means other Celestial Dragons knows about Imu as well due to chasing and wanting to kill Doflamingo because of learning their secret,
Imu if other Celestial Dragons and Doflamingo knows it.
I don't think the average Celestial Dragon knows about Imu's existence, I can't imagine clowns like Charlos knowing about the World Government's secret. Roswald said that the Donquixote family is "odd". Maybe Imu's a member of the Donquxiote family if he's human?

This is where the things are getting interesting, because we know that the Admirals are the ''direct subordinates'' of the Celestial Dragons as Sengoku said, which means that they might know the secrets that Celestial Dragons also knows, so all Admirals and Fleet Admirals might know about Imu if other Celestial Dragons and Doflamingo knows it.
Sengoku is hinted to know about the "D" and the Void Century, he definitely knows about Imu. Sakazuki doesn't seem to know, I think that will be a plot point in the future, with Sakazuki possibly instigating a coup.

If every member of Gorousei is responsible from one area (like South, East etc) then it make sense that they are only 5, just like the Revolutionary commanders.
This reminds me of an old theory about the Blonde Gorosei being Sanji's father.

As for the question why that Gorousei obeys Imu, if Imu isn't a top-tier? Is that mean that Imu is %100 a top-tier?
Imu's probably a top top tier; if I had to guess, I would say that he possesses either the Hito Hito no mi: Model God or the Water Logia Devil Fruit.

Gorousei probably range from YC1 to low top tier.

The information might be only exclusive to the highest ranked Celestial Dragons like Gorousei and their other highest ranked potential replacements, then Admirals and low ranked Celestial Dragons might not know about this as well.
We know that there are 20 Celestial Dragon families that each came from a kingdom. Vivi's family stayed behind.

So:

5 Families from East Blue, 5 Families from South Blue, 4 Families from the Grand Line(counting Paradise and New World as one location) etc

Maybe some families are more prestigious than others? For example, the East Blue has a "head" family. Maybe the Nefetari family was supposed to be the "Head" Grand Line family and that's why Imu is interested in Vivi?
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#8
Y’all...it’s Luffy’s mom. This is supposed to be the final, end-all baddie of OP, and as the author has previously elucidated, “mother” is evidently the opposite of “adventure” (every English teacher I’ve ever had would beg to differ, but that’s neither here nor there). What better way to cap off Luffy’s travels and experiences across the entire world than with a good spanking from Mommy??? :wellwell::goatasure:
 
#10
He stays secret for the same reason the puppet masters of this world stay hidden, it plays into the bread and circus of existing poltical structures and protects their power to control both sides.
But yes he has had the Ope ope surgery, and was probably the reason for the void century.
 
#11
Imu was someone from Void Century, that get the Eternal life surgery and used whatever the Treasure of Marijoa to change the world after the war against the Ancient Kingdom.

Probably he was someone close to Joy Boy, could even be that he is a D.

Think only the Gorosei and some of the leaders of the 19 families know about Imu, not all the Celestial Dragons, especially some guys like Charloss. And that the Gorosei somehow are alive since the Void Century too, pehaps using Bonney fruit. Some of the CP0 and other people working for Gorosei could know about Imu too.


Between the Marines think only Sengoku and Garp know, pehaps Garp discovered it in God Valley from Rocks. Rocks seems to know about Imu and other great secrets of the WG, and thats why he want to become the King of the world. Could even be that Garp created SWORD after what he discored in God Valley, and thats why he hate the WG.


Probably Dragon could know about him too.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#12
I don't think he's a strong fighter, I think he or she, has a broken ability, but not to the point of being really king of the world, it's more about hierarchy and about them (tenryuubito) calling themselves gods , and not for the sake of force. IM-SAMA for example wasn't too strong to nullify the WB title in ODA's head, "AH more KAIDO D. STRONGEST, she's a character the world doesn't know yet, yes I know that, but... we have to following the author's logic, if he's saying WB was the strongest man in the world, he's putting him above any character in the series, even though he was a fraud in MF, and it wasn't WSM anymore, KAIDO who was the true WSM.

So possibly he will be broken because of the DF or maybe his race that gives him sinister powers, but he won't be any stronger than KAIDO, BB, at most it will be equal.
 
#13
Imu is:

- A unique existence. The Devil Fruit Tree itself. It (i call Imu "it") is the creator of all devil fruit. Imu is the Tree of Life. Imu's power is Life. It has the ability to make a separate reality (dimension), a realm on its own, and also create life, the devils as its creations, inhabitants and Imu's slave.

- Imu wants to cleanse the "filthy" OP world (wars everywhere, rape and murder etc) and replace them with the creatures possessed by the pure devils (that will only do Imu's will so they will not commit sin / crime to each other).

- But when crossing over to OP verse through dimensional gate, apparently they were purged and vanquished by ocean, which is a natural enemy of their Devil's Flame substance lol. So Imu converted the Devils and gave them shells as new forms, which are the Devil Fruits.

- When The Devils undergo Awakening to the max, they will gain capabilities to eat a person's will and soul etc gradually, in turn the person eating them will be eaten and only the Devil will remain. This only has been experienced by Xebec who is eaten completely, and must be finally defeated by Garp and Roger together.

- wow the imagination is too wild
 
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#15
imu is more like muzan kibutsuji of one piece. s/he never ages but has been alive since void century, joyboy couldnt finish off imu same way yorichi couldnt finish off muzan, since then imu has been ruling as absolute leader from the shadows, the day will come when strawhats will finish them off
 
#18
WHOLE RED PHONEGLIPHS WERE SEPERATED WHEN IMU LANDED ON EARTH. NOW TRYING TO COLLECT ALL OF THEM AND BUILD HER/HIS SHIP TO JUST GO BACK HOME OR BUILD HER WEAPON

no need to thanks :cheers:
 
#19
If we consider that 5/5 regarding the numbers of each side, then Imu might be a top tier and Dragon's opponent. And this makes sense since Dragon existence in the manga only makes sense for this, for the war against Celestial Dragons. I mean, I don't see him fightning against the Admirals in the final battle (probably he will, but not as the "official" vs I mean, not a main target), his goal is the destruction of Tenryubito.
So they obeys in part because he/she is strong, but there should be something else about him/her as well, like more pure bloodline/lineage, or special powers, immortality, or whatever.

But his/her strength should be the real thing, after all in the context of One Piece world, an individual strength in those high ranking people of the different organizations is a must (exception Spandam, but in this case it doesnt matter if he is a subordinate of this higher strength within WG).

We can be in a case like Sugar as well, with much greater IQ ofc xd, (some op power that controls people but she/he is actually weak) but I doubt it because of Dragon like I said, though it's not impossible and we may be in that case.
 
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