Speculations Imu and the celestial dragons will be taken down BEFORE the final war. Imu is not the final villain

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Seems like a lot of fans think the the recent chapters confirms imu and gorosei as the final villains. However, it’s actually quite the opposite. These chapters imply that the celestial dragons will be taken out very soon, and before the final war.

A big reason why people think imu is the final villain is due to this panel, where whitebeard implies that the final war will commence once someone finds the one piece and challenges the world



This is true, the final war will begin after the one piece is found. However, the misconception is that imu and the gorosei will be involved in the final war.




The revolutionaries have declared war against the celestial dragons, and the holy knights are set to mobilise soon. But wasn’t the “final war” meant to be started by Luffy after he finds one piece? So what does this mean? It means that this war against the celestial dragons is NOT the final war. This war started by the revolutionaries and the final war are two separate events. The final war isn't just luffy butting into a battle that the revolutionaries started . Whitebeard didn't say “one day the revolutionaries will declare war on the celestials and then luffy will join in and beat imu” .The final war is the war that will be declared by luffy, after finding the one piece.

“But the celestial dragons are the true evil of one piece because they oppose freedom and one piece is all about freedom and luffy wants everyone to be free so that means imu is the final villain!” Another misconception is that Luffy's dream is for everyone to be free. That is not Luffy's dream, that is Sabo's dream.



So what is Luffy’s dream then? We don’t know, but it's obviously not going to just be the same as sabo’s, otherwise there would be no need for oda to be secretive about it. And there is no “true evil” or “main evil” in one piece. In fact it’s going against Oda's intentions to think like that. One piece has been all about showing us that evil can be found in all types of people and that you can’t generalise a whole group to be fully good or another group to be fully evil. Pirates can be evil, marines can be evil, fishman can be evil, humans can be evil, celestials can be evil ect. This is not a case of all evil existing solely due to the celestials.


If the celestial dragons were the “main evil” of one piece, then oda would have made luffy a revolutionary. Why would oda make the main character a pirate who goes around fighting these “insignificant side villain pirates and marines” when the “main villains” are just government dudes. So sabo and the revolutionaries (side characters) have been following the main campaign questline while Luffy (the main character) has been doing side quests the whole time? It’s completely backwards logic. The celestial dragons are not the main villains and Luffy's dream is NOT to make everyone free. That is not what this story is about, and that is not why luffy set out on his journey. Luffy set sail to become pirate king and become the most free man on the seas, not to liberate everyone from oppression. Do not confuse luffy's dream with sabos.

And sabo will be successful in his dream. Sabo is not in the story to fail or die to create some emotional drama. Ace’s death already fulfils that purpose. Sabo and Luffy both carry the will of ace and both will be successful in their goals. Luffy is the main character, that means that sabo will achieve his goal before luffy achieves his own.

Imu and the celestial dragons will be taken down first. After that is when things really kick into gear for the endgame. The celestial dragons being dethroned doesn't mean the world becomes peaceful .With the government rulers gone, chaos will ensue. The hustle for the one piece now becomes even more intense and Blackbeard will try and become king of the world. Akainu will now have no restraints in how he leads the marines and will retaliate against pirates with relentless force in the name of justice. It will be up to Luffy to stop these two.
 
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If I am not mistaken, Roger said that someone will come who will one day surpass them...Finding One Piece was Roger's feat, but fighting Joyboy's enemies was a higher goal that Roger could not accomplish.
wb was a pirate but his dream was to have a family...Oda shows us time and time again that being a pirate doesn't stop you from having another dream...Luffy from Fishman was introduced as one of the kings of the sea..He is going to lead Shirahoshi and the others for the final battle
Dragon can't win this fight because I don't even think he can beat Akainu and Knight and Kong and Five Elder...This man is not going to go beyond Joy Boy
imu is the ultimate enemy and after him no one will attack the strawhat
 
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If I am not mistaken, Roger said that someone will come who will one day surpass them...Finding One Piece was Roger's feat, but fighting Joyboy's enemies was a higher goal that Roger could not accomplish.
wb was a pirate but his dream was to have a family...Oda shows us time and time again that being a pirate doesn't stop you from having another dream...Luffy from Fishman was introduced as one of the kings of the sea..He is going to lead Shirahoshi and the others for the final battle
Dragon can't win this fight because I don't even think he can beat Akainu and Knight and Kong and Five Elder...This man is not going to go beyond Joy Boy
imu is the ultimate enemy and after him no one will attack the strawhat
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#11
. However, the misconception is that imu and the gorosei will be involved in the final war.
No...no its not a "big misconception" lol. You read the story and they are frequently painted as the ever "looming" threat in the manga

The reason the 90% of the series mysteries exist in this series is due to the WG and their preservation of that secrecy.
 
#12
Ok, sooo Great enemy of whole D. Clan, King of WG that destroyed creators of One Piece treasure, who rule entire world, who clean history, who killed millions of innocent people, who is immortal, who is representation of everything that Luffy fight whole series is not a final villain, while Luffy's rival who wants to get One Piece to defeat that Great enemy Imu, is real final villain. Ofcourse there is lapdog Akainu who failed in everything even in terms where his subordinates are not listening to him, yup.

Imuu is not a final villain.

Right.
 
#14
Luffy ultimately is the second joy boy, defeating the enemies he failed before makes total sense.

BB, Shanks or any other candidate to FV don't carry connections to Joy Boy.

If WG is not FV I will be very surprised.
Yep, imo the full Yonko fight (and maybe Marines?) over the 4th RP and One Piece will finish completely by Laugh Tale. Unless there is some larger plot twist with Blackbeard or Shanks by this point, all bigendings with them will occur by then.

Luffy "should" objectively surpass Shanks and return the hat (who knows if he actually will return it) when he becomes PK. Blackbeard for all intents an purposes exists as a PK roadblock as well. Both losing here for different reasons makes the most sense
 
#15
Why you always go with reverse of what is shown in manga and more logical lol.

From Kidd will beat shanks to this.

Anyways either imu/gorosei are endgame or BBPs.

More likely are Imu/gorosei
if imu and the gorosei were endgame then the war against the celestials wouldn't be happening this early. The holy knights are obviously not endgame since they will be battling soon and after they fall, gorosei and imu are next in line. In fact, a gorosei is about to fall this arc which will be the big incident
 
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if imu and the gorosei were endgame then the war against the celestials wouldn't be happening this early. The holy knights are obviously not endgame since they will be battling soon and after they fall, gorosei and imu are next in line. In fact, a gorosei is about to fall this arc which will be the big incident
He actually believes the revs will topple the WG :gokulaugh: I can't.

Saturn is not going to lose either.
 
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Ok, sooo Great enemy of whole D. Clan, King of WG that destroyed creators of One Piece treasure, who rule entire world, who clean history, who killed millions of innocent people, who is immortal, who is representation of everything that Luffy fight whole series is not a final villain, while Luffy's rival who wants to get One Piece to defeat that Great enemy Imu, is real final villain. Ofcourse there is lapdog Akainu who failed in everything even in terms where his subordinates are not listening to him, yup.

Imuu is not a final villain.

Right.
good job saying a whole not of nothing, "imu will be final villain because i think he is important", being important means he will be a villain, doesn't mean he will be the last one. Oda is the one setting up imu to be defeated first while he keeps "lapdog akainu" chilling behind his desk
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He actually believes the revs will topple the WG :gokulaugh: I can't.

Saturn is not going to lose either.
this is the one time a gorosei leaves marijoa, you think hes going to be able to simply come back? lol. Its obvious the major incident is about him being abducted. No other result would have a major impact
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No...no its not a "big misconception" lol. You read the story and they are frequently painted as the ever "looming" threat in the manga

The reason the 90% of the series mysteries exist in this series is due to the WG and their preservation of that secrecy.
and all the "mysteries" will be revealed well before the final war, oda has already started doing it through sabo, and sabo is still alive to talk all about it. Oda himself has said that he would be revealing all the mysteries about the void century. Oda will use saturn to reveal even more.
 
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and all the "mysteries" will be revealed well before the final war, oda has already started doing it through sabo, and sabo is still alive to talk all about it. Oda himself has said that he would be revealing all the mysteries about the void century. Oda will use saturn to reveal even more.
"Backstory with Final Villain will be revealed before war with Final Villain"

No shit

News flash, thats how it works, and no, we will not know everything before Laugh Tale. Thats literally the entire point of Robin's dream, to read the full story of the Rio Poneglyph. Considering that Saturn and the rest did not know the Nika fruit was with Luffy, it is highly unlikely the Gorosei know everything. Only Imu seems privvy to those details. Also...why would he blaber anything to anyone?

The most we get is VP saying something cryptic and him reacting, watch.
 
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