Questions & Mysteries Imu and the National Treasure of Mariejoa

[Cinera]

[Credits to @Erkan12, and @Plex for inspiration.]


Imu sama's first appearance was immediately after Doffy mentioned that the WG/CDs/Gorosei may have wanted to silence him from spilling the secrets of Mariejoa's National Treasure:

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Furthermore, Doffy claimed that said National Treasure of Mariejoa has the power to "control the world itself":

Coincidentally, Imu sama is the ruler of the world.


But perhaps most striking, Doffy claimed that knowledge of the National Treasure of Mariejoa would "shake the world to its foundations":

Imu sama's existence seems like something that would qualify as "shake the world to its foundations" if it was leaked.

Sabo was incredibly shocked (he described it as "unbelievable!!") when he learned that someone sat on the Empty Throne:

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The entire World Government is founded on the premise that no one occupies the Empty Throne, that there is no one "King of the World". All the leaders of countries that are part of the World Government must pledge allegiance to the Empty Throne:

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To learn that this is false — that there is in fact a "King of the World" — would "shake the world to its foundations".


Might Imu sama in fact be that "crucial treasure"?

At the very least, it seems to me like Imu has a tangible connection to the National Treasure of Mariejoa.



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[wordy]

If Imu is just using the treasure, then Doffy's plan was to kill Imu, take the treasure, and get the immortality surgery.
If Imu is the national treasure, then Doffy had to do all of that plus the personality switch.
Either way, I think he knows about Imu. I'm still undecided if Imu is the treasure/ancient weapon though.

 

[comrade]

I don't think that Imu him-/herself would be referred to as the "national treasure". Why referring to the King of the World and the one who stands above everyone of them as "treasure". So either it's the straw hat, since it was shown when Doffy was talking about it, since the Strawhat is linked to some great tragedy caused by the WG to sustain their power, or it's the thing Imu used to wipe out the country. I guess it's latter, because
1) Former is just a straw hat, its existence itself wouldn't shake the world
2) Doffy said that he could've used that treasure to control the world

Though still wondering, what the point of showing the straw hat was, and why Imu is storing it there in the first place. Inb4 the straw hat is the ancient weapon and can turn into a gigantic flying ship, lmao. After all, the shadow that obliterated the country kinda resembled a straw hat, and on Enel's cover story, there was some machinery shown that, if turned upside down, has the form of a straw hat.

 

[OnePieceFanGirl]

He 100% knows about Im. There’s a potential early reference when he’s ordered to finish Moria off and he says it comes from an ever higher place, though he might’ve just been referencing the Gorosei in that particular instance.

What basically confirms he knows is his conversation with Law where he’s talking about “that day” and how he could’ve used the national treasure and Law’s DF (personality switch & immortal surgery) to take over. That day…

No wonder they’d want to have him killed. Won’t succeed, of course, cause he’s too good of a character to sacrifice, but it’s a big deal. My hope is his knowledge will be vital to the big fight. Sth, which I think gets under the radar, is this small panel at the top right corner where they chase him:

I think it makes sense he learned all this classified info when he went back to Mary Geoise at age 10. How that happened exactly is what I really want to know. He’s been using it to his advantage ever since as per his own words. Hope we get an extended flashback or sth.

 

[Zenos7]

If Imu is just using the treasure, then Doffy's plan was to kill Imu

nah he'd probably switch bodies with imu

 

[Surgeon of death]

This connection was clear as soon as imu came into the picture.

An of course Laws, op op Fruit ability “shambles” would allow Doffy to take everything from him. His likeness, his powers DF or inherited attributes, an his possessions meaning the world damn world.

truly the greatest power in the world. Imagine instead of switching smoker with his VA. This was bepo instead, not only was a logia fruit gained. But bepo gets a new job, an all smokers physical attributes

 

[yorosenpai]

[Credits to @Erkan12 for seeding the idea that Doffy knew of Imu's existence. I may not have noticed this connection if he hadn't mentioned it first.]


Imu's first appearance was immediately after Doffy mentioned that the WG/CDs/Gorosei may have wanted to silence him from spilling the secrets of Mariejoa's National Treasure:

Spoiler

Furthermore, Doffy claimed that said National Treasure of Mariejoa has the power to "control the world itself":

Coincidentally, Imu is the ruler of the world.

Might Imu in fact be that "national treasure"?

At the very least, it seems to me like Imu has a tangible connection to the National Treasure of Mariejoa.



@sanjikun, @Nidai_Kitetsu, @wordy, @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung, @comrade, @Veku, @OnePieceFanGirl, @SakazOuki, @dirtyLarry, @Plex.

I agree, the thing will 1 of the gorosei go to impel and kill doffy? or something else will happen and doffy gona come back in the story? I mean even the Joker is thinking about that

 

[Cinera]

If Imu is just using the treasure, then Doffy's plan was to kill Imu, take the treasure, and get the immortality surgery.
If Imu is the national treasure, then Doffy had to do all of that plus the personality switch.
Either way, I think he knows about Imu. I'm still undecided if Imu is the treasure/ancient weapon though.

I don't think that Imu him-/herself would be referred to as the "national treasure". Why referring to the King of the World and the one who stands above everyone of them as "treasure". So either it's the straw hat, since it was shown when Doffy was talking about it, since the Strawhat is linked to some great tragedy caused by the WG to sustain their power, or it's the thing Imu used to wipe out the country. I guess it's latter, because
1) Former is just a straw hat, its existence itself wouldn't shake the world
2) Doffy said that he could've used that treasure to control the world

Though still wondering, what the point of showing the straw hat was, and why Imu is storing it there in the first place. Inb4 the straw hat is the ancient weapon and can turn into a gigantic flying ship, lmao. After all, the shadow that obliterated the country kinda resembled a straw hat, and on Enel's cover story, there was some machinery shown that, if turned upside down, has the form of a straw hat.

nah he'd probably switch bodies with imu

An argument I found persuasive that Imu is the National Treasure of Mariejoa:

Imu is the national treasure and is in controll of Uranus.

The hint lies with Doffy's statement. "Its very existance would shake the world to its foundations".

The phrase "to shake the foundations of something" is to simply make people question/change their beliefs. The belief right now is that there's no king of the world and the empty throne is a symbol of trust and cooperation with the allied nations. As we know that's all a big lie. Just look at Sabo's expression once he started talking about somebody sitting on the empty throne, the guy is completely shell shocked. These people have had their minds programmed into thinking that the CD's are the be all and end all. If Doflamingo were to reveal Imu's existence then the trust build upon the WG would diminish greatly. If they can lie about something so important then imagine what other secrets they have tucked under the curtain.

Of all the abilites tied to the OP fruit Doffy decides to mention the personality switch and the Immortality operation. This is not done just on a whim, it's tied to the NT and how to utilize it.

-> Make Corazon eat the fruit
-> Have him use the personality switch on Doffy + Imu
-> Sacrifice himself with the immortality operation so that Imu's body with (Doffy's mind) lives forever
-> Doffy rules the world forever "inside" Imu's body and to top it off posseses an ancient weapon to nuke whoever he pleases.

But perhaps most striking, Doffy claimed that knowledge of the National Treasure of Mariejoa would "shake the world to its foundations":

Imu sama's existence seems like something that would qualify as "shake the world to its foundations" if it was leaked.

Sabo was incredibly shocked (he described it as "unbelievable!!") when he learned that someone sat on the Empty Throne:

Spoiler

The entire World Government is founded on the premise that no one occupies the Empty Throne, that there is no one "King of the World". All the leaders of countries that are part of the World Government must pledge allegiance to the Empty Throne:

Spoiler

To learn that this is false — that there is in fact a "King of the World" — would "shake the world to its foundations".

 

[comrade]

@Cinera the problems are
(1) Why is Imu, who is an individual and the ruler of the world, labelled as a "treasure" of Marijoa, and
(2) What did Doffy mean when he said he could have "used" the treasure to control the world, since using Imu him-/herself (2.1) isn't enough because there is certainly some being or weapon doing the work of destruction and (2.2) what would be the point of the Ope Ope no Mi? Using the Ope Ope no Mi for a personality switch isn't equal to "using" Imu, but rather "becoming" Imu, hence "becoming" the national treasure itself.

To me it sounds like the treasure is an object. In this case the entity controlled by Imu.

And Doffy "using" the national treasure means, becoming Imu (e.g. through a personality switch) and then use the national treasure having the ability to do so. @Cinera

If Imu him-/herself was the treasure, then the Ope Ope fruit would not be useful, because he cannot "use" Imu him-/herself with the Ope Ope no Mi, since the Ope Ope no Mi isn't itself an ability that could control people mentally.

 

[Mad_Monk]

I don't see Imu being the treasure rather They/Them possibly using the treasure or guarding it.

 

[Cinera]

@Cinera the problems are
(1) Why is Imu, who is an individual and the ruler of the world, labelled as a "treasure" of Marijoa, and
(2) What did Doffy mean when he said he could have "used" the treasure to control the world, since using Imu him-/herself (2.1) isn't enough because there is certainly some being or weapon doing the work of destruction and (2.2) what would be the point of the Ope Ope no Mi? Using the Ope Ope no Mi for a personality switch isn't equal to "using" Imu, but rather "becoming" Imu, hence "becoming" the national treasure itself.

To me it sounds like the treasure is an object. In this case the entity controlled by Imu.

And Doffy "using" the national treasure means, becoming Imu (e.g. through a personality switch) and then use the national treasure having the ability to do so. @Cinera

If Imu him-/herself was the treasure, then the Ope Ope fruit would not be useful, because he cannot "use" Imu him-/herself with the Ope Ope no Mi, since the Ope Ope no Mi isn't itself an ability that could control people mentally.

TBH, considering that the Ancient Weapons are already known to exist, I don't think the country nuke that Imu used in this chapter will qualify as something that would "shake the world to its foundations" if revealed.

So far, the only thing I know that meets that particular standard is Imu sama's existence.

That's my biggest reason.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Imu is probably controlling the national treasure itself (Uranus) and in my personal opinion, Uranus takes lifespans of the user so Doffy wants Law's DF so he can be immortal so that he can hold charge of Uranus without any setback.

 

[Xlaw]

Don't think so...its most likely AW which Imu is controlling