Chapter Discussion Is Candelle really dead

[Impact]

Garling didn't make a long-term plot the way people are suggesting Candel is. The way they're framing this, Candel is a double agent acting on behalf of the Holy Knights, the Five Elders, and Imu. It's a pretty big leap of logic. Garling never did anything like that.

This is what we call conflation.

Conflation is the act of merging two or more distinct ideas, texts, or pieces of information into one whole. Often used as a logical fallacy, it occurs when people mistakenly treat two similar but separate concepts as identical, leading to confusion or flawed analysis.

 

[Nekomamushi]

Shiryu and Shuri are blood related.

wait.. their names sound similar. What if they really are related lmao.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Garling didn't make a long-term plot the way people are suggesting Candel is. The way they're framing this, Candel is a double agent acting on behalf of the Holy Knights, the Five Elders, and Imu. It's a pretty big leap of logic. Garling never did anything like that.

This is what we call conflation.

Conflation is the act of merging two or more distinct ideas, texts, or pieces of information into one whole. Often used as a logical fallacy, it occurs when people mistakenly treat two similar but separate concepts as identical, leading to confusion or flawed analysis.

There is lot of plot gaps regarding Candelle.

Her plot is closely connected to Imu . There is reason Shuri/Gunko is close to Imu.

 

[Woozles]

There's really nothing connecting Candelle to the Holy Knights other than a shallow comparison to Garling that doesn't actually hold up to any scrutiny.

Garling was in God Valley for Vacation for, at most, a year.

He came across the Davy clan PURELY BY ACCIDENT. He wasn't looking for them, he just conveniently stumbled upon them.

Additionally, God Valley was a non-affiliate country making it perfect for a Native Hunt since it would not agree to become a member nation despite his diplomacy.


Candelle, at bare minimum, was living in Esperia for 17 years. That's a period of 5 native hunts.

And that doesn't include the fact that unlike Garling who took his kids and immediately fucked off. Candelle raised her daughter for 15 years.

And Esperia was a WG Member.

Also why would a God Knight position themselves as a servant?

Maybe if she was a Noble, I could maybe buy the idea, but folks are trying to pretend like God Knights are Cipher Pol agents.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

This is another Classic Case of the fandom headcanoning something to get Mad

Bingo!

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

There's really nothing connecting Candelle to the Holy Knights other than a shallow comparison to Garling that doesn't actually hold up to any scrutiny.

Garling was in God Valley for Vacation for, at most, a year.

He came across the Davy clan PURELY BY ACCIDENT. He wasn't looking for them, he just conveniently stumbled upon them.

Additionally, God Valley was a non-affiliate country making it perfect for a Native Hunt since it would not agree to become a member nation despite his diplomacy.


Candelle, at bare minimum, was living in Esperia for 17 years. That's a period of 5 native hunts.

And that doesn't include the fact that unlike Garling who took his kids and immediately fucked off. Candelle raised her daughter for 15 years.

And Esperia was a WG Member.

Also why would a God Knight position themselves as a servant?

Maybe if she was a Noble, I could maybe buy the idea, but folks are trying to pretend like God Knights are Cipher Pol agents.

So a celestial Dragon raped her ? I mean why sickness was hidden.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Saibari dude became like Prime R9 lol. The guy is beast.

 

[Peppercat]

Unlike all the other mother dying, Candelle’s death and storyline has been so off for me.

Unlike other mothers she was just declared randomly dead . No panel of her sick and in death bed.

Fog appeared out of nowhere and Why would Imu and Gorosei be personally involved when they have Admirals and navy to wipe them out.

Candelle is alive

I personally think she faked her death because she knew Goroseis have personal vendatta against Leuven . Its very likely she is Holy knight there are many reasons to this.

Her swordsmanship training
Noble attire
Hidden past

We still didnt know how she and Leuven met ? Why world govt sat on 20 years ? Was Leuven secretly having aims to replace World govt there must be reason why Imu was personally involved we dont know how strong he is in battle field.

Candelle found out he is secret Davy clan and Esperia has ties to Ancient Kingdom .

I am going back multiple times to see any legit indicators but honestly, I find nothing that seems to indicate her being a plant. If she truly is evil and a plant, she is playing it well.

The one thing that seems obvious though is that something is very off.
I made my own theory on it but its just a theory in the end.

It's just so odd that the CDs decided to visit. They hate going down and these people are far beneath them in their eyes. They dont make these visits unless there is they actually have to.
Then Candelle fell ill afterwards. Somehow a string of good fortune that includes Leuven becoming King and a royal child, for a mist to set in that both economically ruins them and kills people. It takes away their symbol of hope, they cant tribute and we see what happens next.

There is so obviously something going on in the background even before Shuri was born but we cant pinpoint it. Somehow the Mouron may add in too and perhaps even the Germa cause Brook does know them too.


The last 3 chapters feel like Oda is pushing that something moves in the background that Brook doesnt notice either. Like how Candelle fell ill for months. We as readers know something is going on but Brook doesnt question it happens after the CDs arrived. Stress? Be real.
Which I also feel is intentional. He is drunk of happiness and admiration to the point he cant see obvious signs. Its like having a unreliable narrator. The plot is moving in the back but Oda show us Brook is busy with other things.

 

[Impact]

After all these years all I know is that the foreshadowing is completely up to interpretation like honestly who cares when we can make it mean anything

 

[sanjikun]

My only question is how the f is Gunko a CD unless Candelle was also a secret CD?

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

My only question is how the f is Gunko a CD unless Candelle was also a secret CD?

It's looking increasingly likely that the Celestial Dragon forced Candelle to sleep with him to avoid them persecuting Espera. As Shuri was born several months later.

 

[Juanpiz]

It's looking increasingly likely that the Celestial Dragon forced Candelle to sleep with him to avoid them persecuting Espera. As Shuri was born several months later.

So.. another Bonney and Mother stuff

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

So.. another Bonney and Mother stuff

Well, we first were introduced to the Celestial Dragons with Charlos forcing a random woman to be his slave. There's probably quite a few bastards around.

 

[ShinichiMugi]

She is probably still alive Indeed. Brook's final boss

 

[D. Plant]

So.. another Bonney and Mother stuff

That kind of stuffs are infuriating. I think of other parallel, what if Shuri is Reuven biological child and Reuven himself is another Davy. This setup is parallel to case of Kurozumi clan and Otama being the sole survivor. Teach will die like Orochi, but Shuri will survive as the last of the bloodline. I know it's not likely but that's the idea.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

My only question is how the f is Gunko a CD unless Candelle was also a secret CD?

She is definitely a CD a high ranked one . I dont know why people are in denial here . Celestial Dragon dont often visit a random kingdom and why extra details were hidden. Candelle’s sickness was never described at all and Leuven for odd reason married here . Lot of stuff is hidden from readers.
She also mentioned she wants to be close to one person didnt reference Leuven directly . Was Candelle Imu’s lover ?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I am going back multiple times to see any legit indicators but honestly, I find nothing that seems to indicate her being a plant. If she truly is evil and a plant, she is playing it well.

The one thing that seems obvious though is that something is very off.
I made my own theory on it but its just a theory in the end.

It's just so odd that the CDs decided to visit. They hate going down and these people are far beneath them in their eyes. They dont make these visits unless there is they actually have to.
Then Candelle fell ill afterwards. Somehow a string of good fortune that includes Leuven becoming King and a royal child, for a mist to set in that both economically ruins them and kills people. It takes away their symbol of hope, they cant tribute and we see what happens next.

There is so obviously something going on in the background even before Shuri was born but we cant pinpoint it. Somehow the Mouron may add in too and perhaps even the Germa cause Brook does know them too.


The last 3 chapters feel like Oda is pushing that something moves in the background that Brook doesnt notice either. Like how Candelle fell ill for months. We as readers know something is going on but Brook doesnt question it happens after the CDs arrived. Stress? Be real.
Which I also feel is intentional. He is drunk of happiness and admiration to the point he cant see obvious signs. Its like having a unreliable narrator. The plot is moving in the back but Oda show us Brook is busy with other things.

To me it feels like Leuven knows about her identity and Shuri isnt his kid probably the cigar holyknight is her real dad .

This is my theory Candelle is former blade of God sent as spy to keep an eye on Esperia .

Cigar Holy knight guy was her benefactor /leader . Leuven was definirely blackmailed to marry her untill Shuri grows .

At later point of time Candelle grew close to Leuven and finds WG doing as evil and tries to appeal Imu to leave Shuri.

Imu kills Candelle after he finds out the betryal and sends WG to retrieve Shuri .


There seems to be more about Esperia kingdom maybe its ties to Davy clan perhaps ? That could be another prime readon .

Its all speculation and Candelle could just be random fodder end of the day but Imu wont just appear in random kingdom out if blue .

 

[Impact]

You should work based on what you know as facts and frankly the entire Candel is a Holy Knight thing isn't a fact and you shouldn't treat it like it is.

 

[Roo]

Maybe, but we did see a panel of her coughing indicating she got sick from the toxic fog. I wouldn’t rule it out I guess

 

[Jiihad]

Possible? Tho always remember, no such thing as character death in this bih lmao