Not really. You’re assuming that one has to have noble ideals in order to be strong. All those that Kaidou & Orochi took out were the ones that went against them. Again Fukurokuju was highlighted as one of Sukiyaki’s biggest supporters along with Hyougoro but switched to Orochi’s side when Orochi became Shogun. Him doing so doesn’t negate the fact the he’s a powerful figure.
No, it's not anything to do with noble ideals. It's samurai spirit, dreams, ambition, Haki, all that jazz. The stuff that's always been at the heart of One Piece fights. These are things that Oda has told us is lacking in the Wano of today, and it's why there are no expectations for any strong opponents among a horde that Oda hasn't even bothered to name for us.
The first SBS Oda gave us answered why Luffy doesn't kill his oppenents when he fights them. It's because for Oda, he's showing fights to be a clash of dreams, whether the characters are good or evil. Bellamy didn't have that in Jaya, so he was one-shot. Not even worthy of a fight.
And from what Hyo and Ashura have said, Orochi's men are just a horde of Jaya Bellamy's. Fujurokuju, as the only one Oda's bothered to make an actual character, might be at best a minor villain to be defeated by a minor hero in a one chapter fight. That's the most to be expected though. For Oda, the interesting fights, the ones he'll actually show, will be the core members of Kaido's crew. They'll be evil, but they'll be fighting for their captain, and his dream. That's what Oda wants to draw with his fights. Not giving us a guy who isn't a real samurai, fighting for a Shogun he mocks and despises.
What does not having charisma have to do with having strong subordinates? If you’re arguing loyalty then fair enuff. Again Orochi is a coward, so it makes sense that he has strong subordinates to protect him. Particularly since he’s been so wary of Toki’s prophecy for 20 odd years. Hell Kyoshiro’s strength was his most appealing factor to Orochi and the main reason why Orochi had him work under him in the first place. Moreover Orochi is the Shogun of Wano & in a position of immense power, that alone I feel is enough to attract strong subordinates to him.
His strong subordinate to protect him was Denjiro, and those he got from his powerful benefactor Kaido.
Where's he attracting the other supposed strong followers from? We know what happened to the strong on Wano. They were crushed, and imprisoned, with Hyou, in the daimyo rebellion, in the doomed raid on Onigashima. Why would anyone on Orochi's side even
need to get strong? What's the incentive? Kaido provides everything for them.
People in One Piece gather to strength and charisma. That's been apparent throughout. Why would anyone with real strength and ambition put themselves under Orochi's command?
Orochi having a group of strong supporters goes against everything Oda's written on Wano about what makes a samurai.
Fair enuff but I disagree. Again Orochi and his boys are just secondary antagonists so it makes sense that they aren’t getting that much focus (his boys rather), but it doesn’t necessarily mean that they have to be weak either. Oda’s already established that they are very prominent figures on Wano so it falls to reason at least imo that they are some of Wano’s best warriors.
Has he implied in any way that they are strong? He's had all the old guard who lived through the Kurozumi years slate the current state of Wano for being worthless and without any real samurai, and he had the best sumo wrestler of Orochi's reign being shown as a joke- compare him to Kawamatsu. Denjiro was the one who protected him from Zoro. The Strawhats have merrily humiliated the Oniwaninjapeople at every turn. It's Kaido's crew that have been shown doing the actual enforcement, not any of Orochi's goons.
It’s very unlikely that Raizou will be a match Fukurokuju given the later has 20 years on him. It’s like saying current Kin can keep up with Neko/Inu which is very far from the truth and the earlier had better portrayal than the later during their younger days.
Do you think Fukurokuju's bothered to get stronger in twenty years, being a turncoat coward who jumped into Kaido's lap at the first opportunity?
Raizo will win because Raizo's got something to fight for. Just like the Strawhats went from fodder to CP9 to beating them, all for Robin's sake. Fukurokuju is not a Scabbard, who are putting everything on the line to avenge Oden. He will not have trained twenty years like the ones left behind did, so one day they could avenge their lord. He's someone who took the easy way out and let Kaido's group of thugs squash everyone on Wano into submission. There's no reason why a minor villain like him should be stronger than the minor hero who's his rival.
