Questions & Mysteries Is one piece at its peak currently? and when where the other peaks?
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That's not PIS, you can argue that it's a plot device.
PIS - plot induced stupidity, is something we use when a character does something irrational out of character because the plot demanded him to.
Sakazuki going after Whitebeard's chest when Whitebeard gets on his knees with a heart attack would be PIS. Why? Because it's uncharacteristic and just straight up dumb. When Whitebeard cheapshot Saka, did Akainu counter with an attack to the chest? Nope, he went straight to the face. Against Kuma, did Saka go after the chest? Nope, he went straight to the face. Why? Cause it finishes the fights faster.
That is a far worse PIS, why? Because it ends the war before within 20 mins of WB joining it lol. With no chance of escape for the pirates for Luffy and etc either.
PIS - plot induced stupidity, is something we use when a character does something irrational out of character because the plot demanded him to.
Sakazuki going after Whitebeard's chest when Whitebeard gets on his knees with a heart attack would be PIS. Why? Because it's uncharacteristic and just straight up dumb. When Whitebeard cheapshot Saka, did Akainu counter with an attack to the chest? Nope, he went straight to the face. Against Kuma, did Saka go after the chest? Nope, he went straight to the face. Why? Cause it finishes the fights faster.
That is a far worse PIS, why? Because it ends the war before within 20 mins of WB joining it lol. With no chance of escape for the pirates for Luffy and etc either.
I would argue that Big Meme not using AdCoC against Kidd and Law was a much bigger case of PIS than Akainu not going for the kill.
But the worse case of PIS must be how the Gorosei didn't send everything in their arsenal to kill Luffy, who was retconned/asspulled with the Nika Nika No Mi, the sole threat to their rule, making the Gorosei and Imu look like the biggest retards in the One Piss verse.
But the worse case of PIS must be how the Gorosei didn't send everything in their arsenal to kill Luffy, who was retconned/asspulled with the Nika Nika No Mi, the sole threat to their rule, making the Gorosei and Imu look like the biggest retards in the One Piss verse.
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It is PIS though. Big Mom’s homies can save her when she falls, just as we saw in WCI. Prometheus decided to go on vacation when she was falling down the waterfall though.
On top of that, falling into water has never caused amnesia. It happened to Big Mom though for plot reasons.
Napoleon who could have explained everything to her stayed silent for days because “he was shy.” The same Napoleon that tried to kill a fly that came near her.
It is all as stupid as any plot induced stupidity has ever been.
The Akainu & WB situation doesn’t work because Sakazuki going for WB’s chest is the first thing that he does. There was nothing established that he always went for head shots. The retaliation to melt off part of WB’s head happens well after that in the plot.
There’s nothing uncharacteristic or PIS about it because both are viable targets for trying to take down an opponent. The actual PIS for that scene is Akainu disappearing afterwards so that fodder could try attacking WB instead.
It’s still no where near as egregious because one could say that Sengoku thought the chest hole was sufficient damage for the rest of the Marines to finish the job. It’s an underestimation of a character, but it’s not all that logic breaking.
Prometheus not catching Big Mom though has no excuse. Big Mom getting random amnesia from it has no precedent. Napoleon not mentioning anything to Big Mom also has no excuse.
On top of that, falling into water has never caused amnesia. It happened to Big Mom though for plot reasons.
Napoleon who could have explained everything to her stayed silent for days because “he was shy.” The same Napoleon that tried to kill a fly that came near her.
It is all as stupid as any plot induced stupidity has ever been.
The Akainu & WB situation doesn’t work because Sakazuki going for WB’s chest is the first thing that he does. There was nothing established that he always went for head shots. The retaliation to melt off part of WB’s head happens well after that in the plot.
There’s nothing uncharacteristic or PIS about it because both are viable targets for trying to take down an opponent. The actual PIS for that scene is Akainu disappearing afterwards so that fodder could try attacking WB instead.
It’s still no where near as egregious because one could say that Sengoku thought the chest hole was sufficient damage for the rest of the Marines to finish the job. It’s an underestimation of a character, but it’s not all that logic breaking.
Prometheus not catching Big Mom though has no excuse. Big Mom getting random amnesia from it has no precedent. Napoleon not mentioning anything to Big Mom also has no excuse.
AdCoC I agree was PIS. However my counter to your point would simply be, none of the admirals using Advanced Haki or any form of Haki or speed blitzing people and neg-diffing commanders left and right is a bigger PIS. Instead Kuzan & Borsalino specifically spent their time standing around and doing some casual attacks...
Gorosei not sending everything in their arsenal to kill Luffy would've been dumb. You believe that the Gorosei know/believe Luffy is the sole threat to their rule, however, they themselves do not believe that. They view him as a threat, yes, but not the sole threat nor the biggest threat at the moment. Furthermore, they had other things happening around the world that were keeping their forces busy. How would they explain to Sakazuki that he needs to send all his admirals to Luffy + Giant fleets and leaving rest of the things unchecked without exposing themselves and the true history? That would've been worst writing. And there was no retcon the reveal went along with the rest of the story that was established with things being set up for it as far back as Skypea, now whether you liked that decision is a different matter. But by no means was it an asspull or retcon.
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Nobody called it a bad arc.
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You said the amnesia was PIS, not what led to the amnesia. Prometheus wasn't summoned, so he can't save her.
- Near Drowning incidents where the oxygen is cut off for a bit is known to have caused amnesia in the real world, Oda of course exaggerated it to greater heights as it's a fictional piece. For OP world, we haven't had a case like that before, iirc.
- That's still an explanation given to the actions. That event establishes Napoleons personality as somebody who's shy, unlike her other homies.
That still isn't PIS, as there's explanations for it. Now whether those explanations are justified or solid is an entirely different thing.
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Sakazuki's aim is to kill Newgate, Yes?
So when a character is down on his knees, not capable of moving and you're aiming to end the war as fast as possible, you're one of the most intelligent characters in the series, a very cunning one in fact. You then decide to aim for the chest, instead of a giant magma punch akin to Great Eruption for his entire upper body. Do you know why Oda couldn't have him do that? Because the got damn series ends.
Your counter is "oh but the headshots were established later".... bad counter. We're not speaking me and you readers knowing about Akainu's character. We're speaking of the mangaka, who very well knew the type of character he was writing in Akainu. The type of the mothafuck that would send a giant magma punch big enough to kill hundreds of people at the same time because he needed the job done, this was established in Ohara. This is further then established later in that same arc at MF when he goes after the head when he wanted to finish off Newgate and then again now when he wanted to finish off Kuma quick. That would make that scene PIS, because it's not like his character.
The entire Marineford war, was solely prolonged because a ruthless character who would slaughter hundreds with a single attack without batting a single eye. Decided to use a tiny ass magma punch for a giant ass dude and attack him in the chest instead of the head, despite using giant ass magma punches against him prior to that. That's PIS.
And yes that is PIS as well. Borsalino standing around like a dumbass instead of blitzing people left and right as he was established in Sabody. Borsalino not going for the kills with his lasers in a war where they needed to kill pirates, unlike Sabody where he went straight for the kill with Zoro. Kuzan not going around insta-blitzing and freezing mfs like he did with Luffy and then with Doffy.. why? Lord knows.
My dude you're talking about an arc with 6 top tiers vs 1 sick way out of prime top tier on a tiny ass Island, you think that arc is going to have less PIS than Onigashima???? You can't even write a story about that without PIS.
Luffy vs 3 Admirals? NO BIGGER PIS in the series.....
Gorosei not sending everything in their arsenal to kill Luffy would've been dumb. You believe that the Gorosei know/believe Luffy is the sole threat to their rule, however, they themselves do not believe that. They view him as a threat, yes, but not the sole threat nor the biggest threat at the moment. Furthermore, they had other things happening around the world that were keeping their forces busy. How would they explain to Sakazuki that he needs to send all his admirals to Luffy + Giant fleets and leaving rest of the things unchecked without exposing themselves and the true history? That would've been worst writing. And there was no retcon the reveal went along with the rest of the story that was established with things being set up for it as far back as Skypea, now whether you liked that decision is a different matter. But by no means was it an asspull or retcon.
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Nobody called it a bad arc.
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You said the amnesia was PIS, not what led to the amnesia. Prometheus wasn't summoned, so he can't save her.
- Near Drowning incidents where the oxygen is cut off for a bit is known to have caused amnesia in the real world, Oda of course exaggerated it to greater heights as it's a fictional piece. For OP world, we haven't had a case like that before, iirc.
- That's still an explanation given to the actions. That event establishes Napoleons personality as somebody who's shy, unlike her other homies.
That still isn't PIS, as there's explanations for it. Now whether those explanations are justified or solid is an entirely different thing.
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Sakazuki's aim is to kill Newgate, Yes?
So when a character is down on his knees, not capable of moving and you're aiming to end the war as fast as possible, you're one of the most intelligent characters in the series, a very cunning one in fact. You then decide to aim for the chest, instead of a giant magma punch akin to Great Eruption for his entire upper body. Do you know why Oda couldn't have him do that? Because the got damn series ends.
Your counter is "oh but the headshots were established later".... bad counter. We're not speaking me and you readers knowing about Akainu's character. We're speaking of the mangaka, who very well knew the type of character he was writing in Akainu. The type of the mothafuck that would send a giant magma punch big enough to kill hundreds of people at the same time because he needed the job done, this was established in Ohara. This is further then established later in that same arc at MF when he goes after the head when he wanted to finish off Newgate and then again now when he wanted to finish off Kuma quick. That would make that scene PIS, because it's not like his character.
The entire Marineford war, was solely prolonged because a ruthless character who would slaughter hundreds with a single attack without batting a single eye. Decided to use a tiny ass magma punch for a giant ass dude and attack him in the chest instead of the head, despite using giant ass magma punches against him prior to that. That's PIS.
And yes that is PIS as well. Borsalino standing around like a dumbass instead of blitzing people left and right as he was established in Sabody. Borsalino not going for the kills with his lasers in a war where they needed to kill pirates, unlike Sabody where he went straight for the kill with Zoro. Kuzan not going around insta-blitzing and freezing mfs like he did with Luffy and then with Doffy.. why? Lord knows.
My dude you're talking about an arc with 6 top tiers vs 1 sick way out of prime top tier on a tiny ass Island, you think that arc is going to have less PIS than Onigashima???? You can't even write a story about that without PIS.
Luffy vs 3 Admirals? NO BIGGER PIS in the series.....
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My point is simply that Big Meme not using Advanced Conquerors againstg the Low & Lidd tag team is a worse case of PIS than Akainu not going for the head against Whitebeard, nothing else so there is no counter, but rather you simply bringing in a worse case of PIS, which I agree with, though it's obvious that it's somewhat retroactive as Loda didn't have the concept of Haki as thought out as he did after the Timeskip as people like CP9 didn't have Haki despite supposedly receiving special training while complete fodder in the New World do.
The World Government are the same people that were willing to kill kid Ace for simply being the son of Roger, and destroyed islands that had Poneglyphs and information of the Void Century just from the potential threat of their rule. They had Luffy's devil fruit be the sole valuable object on a boat protected by a former CP0 agent, and it was stolen by the Red Hair Pirates, the captain being a former Roger crewmate. They noting that the devil fruit always seems to escape them every time, and the Awakening of it is more dangerous than an enraged Yonko like Kaido. It was definitely seems like a priority with this context in mind.
When I say 'send everything' I mean send enough to make the complete destruction of the Straw Hats more than guaranteed. For most of the story they could of simply sent Kizaru, who can move at the speed of light, and he would of absolutely obliterated the Straw Hats in less than a minute anywhere in the world. And if Akainu for some reason questions them without having the authority to do so, explanations such as Luffy and his gang successfully infiltrating multiple significant Marine bases such as Enies Lobby and Impel Down, Luffy being the son of the most dangerous criminal in the world, and by being such an infamous pirate he's besmirching the name of his grandfather Garp, who in contrast is the Marine Hero will more than suffice to say the least.
There was no foreshadowing in Skypiea as the Sun God there was a humongous snake that was fed sacrifices from the people that believed it was a god, and if you bring up Luffy's silhouette looking like Joy Boy, then I guess Ussop's also Joy boy since most of those that danced around the fire posed similarly to Joy Boy. The only time Luffy's fruit being special was in Onigashima and no where else really. Further developing on ideas and imagery in past arcs doesn't count as foreshadowing.
The World Government are the same people that were willing to kill kid Ace for simply being the son of Roger, and destroyed islands that had Poneglyphs and information of the Void Century just from the potential threat of their rule. They had Luffy's devil fruit be the sole valuable object on a boat protected by a former CP0 agent, and it was stolen by the Red Hair Pirates, the captain being a former Roger crewmate. They noting that the devil fruit always seems to escape them every time, and the Awakening of it is more dangerous than an enraged Yonko like Kaido. It was definitely seems like a priority with this context in mind.
When I say 'send everything' I mean send enough to make the complete destruction of the Straw Hats more than guaranteed. For most of the story they could of simply sent Kizaru, who can move at the speed of light, and he would of absolutely obliterated the Straw Hats in less than a minute anywhere in the world. And if Akainu for some reason questions them without having the authority to do so, explanations such as Luffy and his gang successfully infiltrating multiple significant Marine bases such as Enies Lobby and Impel Down, Luffy being the son of the most dangerous criminal in the world, and by being such an infamous pirate he's besmirching the name of his grandfather Garp, who in contrast is the Marine Hero will more than suffice to say the least.
There was no foreshadowing in Skypiea as the Sun God there was a humongous snake that was fed sacrifices from the people that believed it was a god, and if you bring up Luffy's silhouette looking like Joy Boy, then I guess Ussop's also Joy boy since most of those that danced around the fire posed similarly to Joy Boy. The only time Luffy's fruit being special was in Onigashima and no where else really. Further developing on ideas and imagery in past arcs doesn't count as foreshadowing.
