General & Others Is One Piece overrated?

[Salah WG]

As soon as all of your and other Zoro fans theories, hope's and wishes fall apart you will end up like these Sanji fan's as well.

I'm a Zoro fan btw and I've been reading one piece since East blue. So I know Oda writing style. Oda is a bigger troll than Kubo (Bleach).

No Zoro Fan expected to see Zoro stopping Hakai, Cutting Onigashima Horn, Learning Adv. CoC so fast, seeing a Shinigami, One-Shotting Apoo, his Moment with Queen, giving Kaidou new Scar ... etc

The only thing we theorized about was ZKK, Black Swords & Zoro unlocking CoC
One of them already happened, second one is guaranteed (Black Sword), third one could be close, but even if it doesn't happen, i'm not gonna ignore all the moments we had from Zoro so far, i really enjoyed them

Difference between Zoro Fans & Sanji Fans is that Zoro is a Character solely created for Combat & Power Dream so we only expect Battle Feats & Power Highlights from him & so far we never got disappointed (Like ever), but Sanji Fans expect the same from Sanji even though he isn't just a Fighter, he is also a Cook, Hero, kindest person, loves women so much ... etc

In WCI we had Sanji Cooking, having a Love Interest, lot of Emotional Moments (Tbh i loved those moments, such as Sanji vs Luffy) & a lot of focus on his Kindness + His Hero Theme with inclusion of Germa Story ... etc, it was indeed the Year of Sanji, but lot of his Fans got disappointed because they spent time wishing for Sanji vs Kata or Sanji one shotting BMP Veterans left & right

Imo, the problem is with people's expectations, not the Characters
I'm not saying to not expect amazing power feats from Sanji or other SHs, but they are created for other Themes so they have other Priorities in their Portrayal, Fighting & Power Highlights comes second for most of them except Luffy & Zoro

 

[DonnyJones124]

It's like overrated but really good at the same time.

When things happen in One Piece, there's a lot more weight behind them simply because the sheer buildup in time, consistency, and effort is not comparable with 99% of other series. Since Oda seems to know very much how his series is ending, it allows him to plant seeds for things SOOOOO early. And so when the seed bears fruit like 10 years later it means a lot, and that kind of foreshadowing is pretty much exclusive to One Piece because most other series are shorter, and/or they have great starts but you can tell they never had a firm grasp on their own ending. Like even with the anime recently, Luffy confronting Big Mom and Kaido has like 500 episodes of buildup (Even more than that when you add Ace's ties to Wano, and Whitebeard being the prototype of every Yonkou). Most animes aren't even 500 episodes long, and the ones that come close don't focus that much time to taking down only one or two specific villains.
However, because of this, whenever there is a questionable piece of writing, fans will be noticeably LESS critical of it then they would be in other series. The most recent example is Gear 5 and the nature of Luffy's fruit, this is such a polarizing and mixed bag twist and yet the community for the most part were acting like it was the greatest plot point in literature. Which is fine if you're just generlly that positive or want the best for the series, but if you were around when Naruto was being published week for week, the same people would never in a million years give Naruto that same luxury.

 

[sanjikun]

I loved it up until Marineford. Ever since then it's been massively hit and miss. At one point it was my favourite manga. Not anymore.

Honestly, Oda reminds me of couples who once they get married, they stop trying. They just get overweight and bitter.

Marineford was the "marriage" moment between readers and the manga. 3D2Y was the honeymoon. New World is welcome to married life...

 

[RobotNinja]

No Zoro Fan expected to see Zoro stopping Hakai, Cutting Onigashima Horn, Learning Adv. CoC so fast, seeing a Shinigami, One-Shotting Apoo, his Moment with Queen, giving Kaidou new Scar ... etc

The only thing we theorized about was ZKK, Black Swords & Zoro unlocking CoC
One of them already happened, second one is guaranteed (Black Sword), third one could be close, but even if it doesn't happen, i'm not gonna ignore all the moments we had from Zoro so far, i really enjoyed them

All these things you mentioned raised the bar for Zoro even higher and that is what I mean by "Oda's writing style" he raised similar bars for Sanji as well and few other characters but we've seen what became of them (Sanji,Kidd,BM).

So your disappointment will be even greater when Zoro doesn't become what most of you wished for. Obviously black blades will happen it will be terrible writing if it didn't. I mean even more terrible than it already is...

And you will start coping as soon as you see that Oda isn't taking Zoro to where you expected him to go with these similar feats. Which are great but still lacking and almost insignificant in the end.

 

[Salah WG]

All these things you mentioned raised the bar for Zoro even higher and that is what I mean by "Oda's writing style" he raised similar bars for Sanji as well and few other characters but we've seen what became of them (Sanji,Kidd,BM).

So your disappointment will be even greater when Zoro doesn't become what most of you wished for. Obviously black blades will happen it will be terrible writing if it didn't. I mean even more terrible than it already is...

And you will start coping as soon as you see that Oda isn't taking Zoro to where you expected him to go with these similar feats. Which are great but still lacking and almost insignificant in the end.

I don't understand what you're talking about tbh, Zoro is expected to become WSS, no one said he will become something else
You don't believe Zoro gonna be WSS EOS?

Those moments didn't raise the bar for Zoro at all, because since Chapter 3, his Ceiling has always been about becoming WSS & he still didn't reach there nor is there greater than such a Title for a Pure Fighter

Zoro's Power Potential has never ever been a Debate among his Fans, the only thing we discuss is which Power-Ups is he gonna get next.
I'm really curious, what expectations you have from Zoro that you're afraid he won't deliver?

 

[RobotNinja]

I don't understand what you're talking about tbh, Zoro is expected to become WSS, no one said he will become something else
You don't believe Zoro gonna be WSS EOS?

Those moments didn't raise the bar for Zoro at all, because since Chapter 3, his Ceiling has always been about becoming WSS & he still didn't reach there nor is there greater than such a Title for a Pure Fighter

Zoro's Power Potential has never ever been a Debate among his Fans, the only thing we discuss is which Power-Ups is he gonna get next.
I'm really curious, what expectations you have from Zoro that you're afraid he won't deliver?

Let's forget about my expectations and talk about yours. We know your expectations of Zoro from your countless comments and threads. Sadly to tell you but Zoro will no go as high as you think he will. Oda writing style won't let him. Also don't try to downgrade or hide your thoughts and expectations of Zoro since we have so much proof from you already.

WSS yes he will be that... But what does that mean anyway. Even WSM or WSC titles are so ambigious and inconsistent that it's really irrelevant. Especially the WSS title this title is the worst of the three in terms of it's relavance, consistency, authenticity, importance and ambiguity.

My expectations of Zoro are stronger than mihawk and shanks end of story and that's it.

Also just look what became of BM and Kidd and Sanji. Zoro will Fall in line with them as well.

 

[Salah WG]

Let's forget about my expectations and talk about yours. We know your expectations of Zoro from your countless comments and threads. Sadly to tell you but Zoro will no go as high as you think he will. Oda writing style won't let him. Also don't try to downgrade or hide your thoughts and expectations of Zoro since we have so much proof from you already.

WSS yes he will be that... But what does that mean anyway. Even WSM or WSC titles are so ambitious and inconsistent that it's really irrelevant. Especially the WSS title this title is the worst of the three in terms of it's relavance, consistency, authenticity, importance and ambiguity.

My expectations of Zoro are stronger than mihawk and shanks end of story and that's it.

If you do check my Zoro Posts, then you already know that i always say Zoro's Final Fight is Mihawk
After that i believe he will face a Certain New Character (Man with Eye-Patch), but that's mostly a Theory of mine, not Expectations from Zoro, nor do i believe he will defeat him. So our expectations are clearly the same, i have always said Luffy & Zoro gonna surpass Mihawk & Shanks (Who are like Roger/WB 2.0)

The problem isn't Zoro's Expectations, it's how Fans interpret the Title of WSS, that's the only thing readers really debate about regarding Zoro's Journey. So the only way Zoro can disappoint is if he doesn't become WSS but we all know that's impossible.

Only thing that isn't guaranteed & Zoro Fans are expecting you could say is ZKK, but as i said before, personally i don't mind if it doesn't happen (I would be heavily disappointed ofc) but all the things he already showed this Arc kinda help make up for it.

 

[Punk Rotten]

Not at all, it obviously deserves the place it has in a lot of people's hearts. Especially from pre timeskip. One Piece has the shonen formula down in a classic way similar to why Dragon Ball had such charm. Does it mean its the best manga of all time? No. Is it certainly up there? Undeniable.

This site has a lot of headcannon folks who dismiss anything that doesnt go their way, thats all. Meanwhile the rest of the world's fans can continue enjoying the story and still have criticisms without claiming "I am dropping because XYZ reason!" Meanwhile they continue posting and checking anyway.

 

[stealthblack]

Kinda ?


But its also the sales numbers and competition that is mediocre that makes it stand out.

 

[RobotNinja]

Only thing that isn't guaranteed & Zoro Fans are expecting you could say is ZKK, but as i said before, personally i don't mind if it doesn't happen (I would be heavily disappointed ofc) but all the things he already showed this Arc kinda help make up for it.

This is what I mean by copeing. You will continue to make similar statements in the future until you reach the point where current Sanji,Kidd and BM fans are. And eventually you will come to similar point where I am right now and come to realize the type of author Oda is. After many disappointments.

 

[Salah WG]

This is what I mean by copeing. You will continue to make similar statements in the future until you reach the point where current Sanji,Kidd and BM fans are. And eventually you will come to similar point where I am right now and come to realize the type of author Oda is. After many disappointments.

No i won't, just because it happened to you doesn't mean it will happen to me
And i don't really care about Oda, praising his Manga or liking what i find in it doesn't mean i care about the guy

PS: Kid, Sanji & BM exceeded my expectations, it's just that their Fans don't understand them well (Not all ofc)
Kid is literally one of Supernova which Oda didn't plan to create & he ended up being given the credit of taking down one of Yonko who were planned +25 years ago, how is that not exceeding expectations? lol I honestly thought Kid was gonna interact with Queen instead but he received even greater Portrayal

People who get disappointed because Kid's attack didn't work much against Big Mom or because Sanji didn't have a good fight or because Big Mom didn't destroy everyone in front of her feel like they think they are reading Dragon Ball Z or One-Punch Man

One Piece can have 10 to 20 Chapters of pure talking & barely any Fights such as Zou Arc or Levely Arc & Readers would enjoy it.
But imagine DBZ or OPM having 20 Chapters of only chitchat & no Fighting, it's obviously a big No cuz that's not what Readers are expecting

The trick to enjoy a nice read is to never have wishful thinking, the thoughts i always write whether on Zoro or anything else are Theories & not Wishful Thoughts, cuz if it was up to me, i would have wanted Zoro to do much more than just ZKK lol (For example, i always theorized that SHs would assist in the end against Kaidou, not just Zoro, but if i was doing wishful thinking rather than theorizing, then i want Zoro to solo fresh Kaidou & overwhelm him but it's pointless to say things like these)

 

[RobotNinja]

No i won't, just because it happened to you doesn't mean it will happen to me
And i don't really care about Oda, praising his Manga or liking what i find in it doesn't mean i care about the guy

The trick to enjoy a nice read is to never have wishful thinking, the thoughts i always write whether on Zoro or anything else are Theories & not Wishful Thoughts, cuz if it was up to me, i would have wanted Zoro to do much more than just ZKK lol (For example, i always theorized that SHs would assist in the end against Kaidou, not just Zoro, but if i was doing wishful thinking rather than theorizing, then i want Zoro to solo fresh Kaidou & overwhelm him but it's pointless to say things like these)

keep telling yourself that and good luck to you.
It's also enjoyable to make fun of a series for how bad it is. People don't always read things they like because they think it's good. People also read things because it's bad because that is fun too.

Oh also forgot to mention another character Oda botched and that is smoker. This list will continue to grow and it's mostly downhill from here for One Piece. And yes Zoro will most likely be on this list. Not as bad treatment as smoker but as bad as BM.

 

[Kerkovian]

Yes thank youu...
Its truee
I used to loved one piece
But wano arc really ruined one piece for me
Now, I consider one piece is just a shit manga who have the same level of fairy tail
Just boobs, have a fight and win!!
Strength comparison its not make sense anymore cause the power of nakama and plot armor
What a cheap cause

 

[Salah WG]

keep telling yourself that and good luck to you.
It's also enjoyable to make fun of a series for how bad it is. People don't always read things they like because they think it's good. People also read things because it's bad because that is fun too.

Oh also forgot to mention another character Oda botched and that is smoker. This list will continue to grow and it's mostly downhill from here for One Piece. And yes Zoro will most likely be on this list. Not as bad treatment as smoker but as bad as BM.

Never asked you to change your mind, you're the one forcing your scenario on me
As i said in my initial post you quoted, "It's Subjective"

 

[Finalbeta]

Kinda ?


But its also the sales numbers and competition that is mediocre that makes it stand out.

Yep it's quite difficult to find great competitors expecially now that Naruto and KnY are over

 

[ShinichiMugi]

The problem with One Piece is that its too long. "You either die a hero,or live as long to become the villain". When OP came out in the late 90s it was good,and somehow new! But now,years passed,and the audience changed,the world changed,so maybe OP is not adapt to modern standars because its a manga born in a different era. But hey,i am not sure this is entirerly bad,because maybe modern mangas lack of personality. OP has still a lot of personality as a manga,but after decades and decades of reading always the same formula for an arc,it can become too repetitve. It will always have a big fanbase,and can still surpise us though,thats sure.