Is Shanks is a Failure ?

Shanks is a failure

  • Yeah

    Votes: 19 45.2%
  • No

    Votes: 23 54.8%

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#22
@Red Admiral @Seraphoenix you can argue these points i found them around :goyea:
Am I supposed to take it seriously? WB, Kaido, Mihawk. Not one of them ever got an advantage over Shanks despite having Worlds Strongest titles.
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So I take it only Mihawk and Ryuuma are not failures? Since Roger, Rayleigh, WB etc never made their blades black?
 

Tekashi69420

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#23
▪he failed in swordmanship because he didn't make a black blade while he has a rival like mihawk who forged it .
Mihawk's swordsmanship > Shanks's swordsmanship. That's why he got the WSS title instead of Shanks.
▪He Failed in piracy because he didn't reach to Raftel .
It was Buggy's fault for getting ill and Shanks has to stay back and take care of him.
▪His greatest Failure is when He Failed in MF to protect Ace who is his Captain's Son .
Whitebeard didn't let Shanks to save Ace.
▪Shanks has fought in countless wars, resisted countless injuries, and there are no rumors of him being superior to KAIDO and Mihawk.
I can agree with this.
▪People don't even think of SHANKS as the best, not even as the strongest in the world.
People called Shanks a great pirate.
▪His CoC is hyped with Old Ray and matched Old sick WB with life support .
Shanks's CoC > Rayleigh's CoC. And mind you, Whitebeard have to stand up and uses both arms to block Shanks's blade with one arm.
▪He let those bandits kidnapp luffy while he didn't use CoC in that moment he failed again in that .
It was a test. That's why Shanks sacrificed his arm for Luffy.
▪He called a snitch or something like that because he went to the WG that killed his captain while no Other Great pirates did that even Luffy who took him as his Idol .
Lord Shanks's CoC is so amazing that even the enemies is listening to what Shanks has to say.
 
#24
This thread seems quite biased, to be fair. I mean:

▪He Failed in piracy because he didn't reach to Raftel .
He probably doesn't want to reach Laugh Tale without Buggy. Don't turn a character trait into a simplistic achievement issue.

▪he failed in swordmanship because he didn't make a black blade while he has a rival like mihawk who forged it .
We don't even know if he cares about black blades nor what's exactly the process behind a black blade nor the potential philosophy about it. Black blades, as of now, are void arguments in virtually every debate.

▪His greatest Failure is when He Failed in MF to protect Ace who is his Captain's Son .
Did he want to protect Ace or stop a war that didn't need to go on?

▪People don't even think of SHANKS as the best, not even as the strongest in the world.
He's indeed brought up by a marine while discussing who is the strongest swordsman in the world in Zoro's novel. Not that I really give that much weight, but that's still there.

▪He let those bandits kidnapp luffy while he didn't use CoC in that moment he failed again in that .
It's pretty likely that CoC wasn't even a thing back then (and no, a cliché intimidation potentially if not probably retconned isn't proof of anything).

▪His CoC is hyped with Old Ray and matched Old sick WB with life support .
His CoC isn't hyped with old Rayleigh at all (I guess you refer to the Fishman Island situation) and his was the only one to cause physical damage to the Moby Dick during his encounter with Whitebeard.

▪He called a snitch or something like that because he went to the WG that killed his captain while no Other Great pirates did that even Luffy who took him as his Idol .
Fortunately, the world of One Piece and its politics are more complex and interesting than "I'll not talk to the Elders because they killed my captain, who surrendered anyways because he was sick". And that's one of the things that add some interest to Shanks as a character.
 

Finalbeta

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#27
I think he is not, if he kept that arm he would have still been able to match Mihawk nowadays.

So he is all but a failure honestly, he sacrificed that arm for the new generation of pirates. It's a matter of choices, not failures.
 
K

Kaido D. Stronger

#28
They fought per the volume cover and Shanks came to MF. So Shanks > Kaido.
If Oden could cut him up then Shanks would one shot him. Fortunately for Kaido, Shanks wants to keep the balance of the world.

WSC but got told to go home by a cripple and he did :cheers:
After the confrontation, people call kaido the strongest pirate in the world, WSC, if kaido had been defeated everyone would know, SHANKS has the least reward, what is the sense of him having defeated kaido if his reward has not increased?
Shanks never hurt or did more damage to Kaido than: Togen Totsuka, otherwise he would have an open wound / scar.
The world screams that kaido is the strongest, people keep saying, KAIDO is the strongest in the world, and not SHANKS, SHANKS in all battles on the battlefield has never been considered the most powerful individually, people don't even talk about it, he didn't even create rumors about his strength, he doesn't even exist, none of him was more impressive than KAIDO.Romance ACE says: KAIDO> WB, but never said SHANKS> WB or anyone else, the only thing SHANKS did was a CLASH that anyone DOES, any emperor does a CLASH with WB.WB didn't even use his DF, LOL, nor can we call it FIGHT. ODEN Haki> SHANKS. Prove me otherwise, ODEN's offensive HAKI is better than SHANKS .

They use ODEN as arguments, but later deny that SHANKS is a swordsman, ODEN with a sword> SHANKS with his sword. Oden HAKI that impressed KAIDO> SHANKS HAKI. KAIDO WSP> SHANKS.
Accept at once that if KAIDO catches SHANKS in 1v1, not even his red hair will be left.:milaugh::milaugh:.
He better run for BENN BECKMAN.And fight side by side with your crew, most everyone knows, that if KAIDO runs into SHANKS solo 1v1, SHANKS DIES to MONSTER.

 
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#31
At least Mihawk has a title for strongest at something. Hell he's the one that made Shanks famous.
shanks is grouped with people who have titles like “worlds strongest man” and “worlds strongest creature” he’s put at the same standing and level even if he’s weaker than them it’s not by far

mihawk is only the best at swords a weapon it’s not comparable

Hell he's the one that made Shanks famous. If Mihawk didn't exist, Shanks would be just another irrelevant pirate.
a former member of gold roger’s crew “irrelevant pirate”

Shanks is a swordsman. Shanks is inferior to Mihawk the Wss. Nice try genius
yeah shanks the guy who the world government gives a lot of shit about what he does is inferior to the dude who got replaced by some technology

nice try genius
 
#32
shanks is grouped with people who have titles like “worlds strongest man” and “worlds strongest creature” he’s put at the same standing and level even if he’s weaker than them it’s not by far

mihawk is only the best at swords a weapon it’s not comparable


a former member of gold roger’s crew “irrelevant pirate”


yeah shanks the guy who the world government gives a lot of shit about what he does is inferior to the dude who got replaced by some technology

nice try genius
Yea shanks don’t have a worlds strongest title because Mihawk is stronger. Shanks crews and territories make him a yonko . As an individual he’s weaker then Mihawk. Has oda not made that clear to you . Like I said nice try genius
 
#33
shanks is grouped with people who have titles like “worlds strongest man” and “worlds strongest creature” he’s put at the same standing and level even if he’s weaker than them it’s not by far
Sure, but he's still inferior to them, even if it's not by much.

mihawk is only the best at swords a weapon it’s not comparable
And Shanks is a swordman so practically Mihawk's the superior of the two.

a former member of gold roger’s crew “irrelevant pirate”
Buggy was also a part of it, and he's only relevant to the One Piece world thanks to his luck in Impel Down and Marineford. Nothing to do with Roger. Shanks doesn't have such luck if that Sea King has anything to say about it. Shanks was just a cabin boy cleaning crap.
 
#34
Buggy was also a part of it, and he's only relevant to the One Piece world thanks to his luck in Impel Down and Marineford. Nothing to do with Roger. Shanks doesn't have such luck if that Sea King has anything to say about it. Shanks was just a cabin boy cleaning crap.
buggy took over a town in the east blue while shanks went and gathered a strong crew and sailed the grand line
 
#37
Shanks is living his best life chillin

He probably isn't even searching for the one piece like the other yonko either likely giving it to believe in luffy
He also doesn't seem like a character that really cares about being the strongest either. Man even gave up his arm for luffy literally handicapping himself forever

The only thing he might fail at is stopping teach but thats just probably another thing hes gonna leave to luffy
Technically even wb failed to control the teach situation as well too

Calling shanks a loser makes as much sense as calling newgate one
Shanks is even respected by just about everyone pirate and marine alike
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Calling him a loser is just sad bait
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#40
at least shanks name is mentioned along with with whitebeard and kaido not grouped with moria,weevil and buggy like a certain swordman
In a combat oriented situation, Oda choose to place, WB, Shanks and Mihawk. Kinda odd if Mihawk is Vista level no?

Also lol at pretending Warlord level is some general level of power. Mihawk probably beats all 6 of them by himself lmfao.

Like I am pretty sure you think Judge's son is superior to some SN, but how does that make sense when the SN are paired up with guys like Zoro and Luffy who tear through Judge's son?

mihawk is only the best at swords a weapon it’s not comparable
What does this mean? Or are you one of those that thinks world's strongest swordsman means being actually the most skillful guy and fighting only with a sword?


Someone better call Zoro and tell him he's disqualified from being the world's strongest swordsman since he kicks, punches, summons demonic spirits, and fought a swordsman that uses acrobatic style but was still a swordsman

Or someone call Zoro and tell him all the physical strength training he does disqualifies him from being the WSS. :josad:


Someone also better call Oda and tell him his Japanese is wrong. We have geniuses here who deciphered Oda's intention.

When Oda said:
Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi - 世界最強の剣士
"Strongest Swordsman in the World"

he obviously meant most skillful one.

Or when Oda said Fujitora is a swordsman, Law is a swordsman, Kaku is a swordsman, despite having devil fruits, it must have been a mistake.

Or is it haki? Did Oda also make a mistake here and classify these guys as swordsmen despite them using haki?
COC- Rayleigh, Shanks, Oden so far.
CoO, CoA- Zoro, Mihawk, Fujitora, Law, Shanks, Ray, etc.

It's almost like Oda didn't make any mistakes. :bamathink:

It's like when he said the world's strongest swordsman he meant the world's strongest swordsman. But who would have thought that? Crazy, right? :quest:
shanks is grouped with people who have titles like “worlds strongest man” and “worlds strongest creature” he’s put at the same standing and level even if he’s weaker than them it’s not by far
Already covered above, but let's use your logic here too.

World's strongest swordsman according to you means the best at sword. So inherently World's strongest man means the best at being a man, and world's strongest creature means the best at being a creature. So what now?


a former member of gold roger’s crew “irrelevant pirate”
You mean like Buggy? The guy that had the exact same position as Shanks in RP's crew. Or let's go beyond it. Crocus the doc no one gives a rat's ass about.

yeah shanks the guy who the world government gives a lot of shit about what he does is inferior to the dude who got replaced by some technology
I mean I'd like to know what my informant does too tbh. And lol at that. Akainu was vehemently opposing the decision to abandon the Warlords, you know the guy that actually has info on their power, vs kings that have been ravaged by it and are mad.

Not to mention that the same technology was so threatening for the Yonko that they decided to ally.
 
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