Current Events Is Tama giving the SMILE users the Kibi Dango worse than what Orochi did to the people of Ebisu Town?

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Fujishiro said:
Being a slave is worse than being unable to show emotion.
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Honestly, 'slave' is kind of a poor word for what Tama does. They still seem to have free will and a choice over the path of their life; just free will directed to serving tama.

I think that a better and more accurate way to describe it in practice is probably hypnotism.

And hypnotism as a treatment for dulled emotions is a genuine concept, so I think that the inability to emote is at least as bad.
Fujishiro said:
So slavery is okay if it’s for a good cause?
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I think that the phrase, "the ends justify the means", holds true. If it's to stop the utter destruction and genocide of a country, as will soon be the case under Kaido's exclusive rule, killing hundreds of people is easily justified.

And I'm honestly of the opinion that even genuine slavery, which is not really what Tama does, is still often preferable to intentional murder.
 
ArturCantSpeakJapanese

ArturCantSpeakJapanese

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No this is retarded
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Let me just not use my powers to stop the people murdering and raping everyone in my country because it's morally wrong. PS I'm a starving child who eats dirt
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Is Zoro evil for using swords? Swords kill people and that's violent. How can Luffy support this?
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Fujishiro said:
Being a slave is worse than being unable to show emotion.
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So slavery is okay if it’s for a good cause?
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Are kaidos troops not also slaves? You work for kaido and get forcibly experimented on or you get killed.
 
Doggo

Doggo

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"Slavery" is a social-economical system.
What Tama does is a "Mind Control" gimmick. We don't know how it will turn out after Kaido falls.
If some of these SMILE users will stay friends with Tama, but on their on volition, we can't say yet.
It's One Piece. A "change of heart" and "happily ever after" is NEVER out of the question.
Even One Piece Nazi team became allies. Nazis, dude.
 
Den_Den_Mushi

Den_Den_Mushi

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We don’t talk about these things, shhh! Administering a brainwashing-enslavement drug en masse is par the course for the series where the protagonist released thousands of murderers and rapists into the world and received absolutely no moral condemnation for it.

Pro tip: if it’s being done for the protagonists’ benefit, it can always be justified, yay!
 
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Den_Den_Mushi said:
We don’t talk about these things, shhh! Administering a brainwashing-enslavement drug en masse is par the course for the series where the protagonist released thousands of murderers and rapists into the world and received absolutely no moral condemnation for it.

Pro tip: if it’s being done for the protagonists’ benefit, it can always be justified, yay!
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It's not like the protagonist ever claimed to be a good person... at best he'll tell you to make your decision if you think he's good or bad. Nor does he care if others think his actions are justified or not...
 
Raughtale

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
We don’t talk about these things, shhh! Administering a brainwashing-enslavement drug en masse is par the course for the series where the protagonist released thousands of murderers and rapists into the world and received absolutely no moral condemnation for it.

Pro tip: if it’s being done for the protagonists’ benefit, it can always be justified, yay!
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Luffy isn't bothered about how others judge him
 
stormylife

stormylife

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DarkWitch said:
So someone said that Tama taming the SMILE users such as tricking them into eating the Kibi Dango is worse than Orochi giving the people of Ebisu Town failed SMILEs.

Do you agree with this or no?
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On pure ability ,dango is worse. On plot , smile just looks like worse bec of it has been used on people who were suffering already while dango been on enemy (which shows it like cute action). i would prefer smile over dango if it will be used on me tho while using dango %100 on enemy
 
imacub

imacub

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
We don’t talk about these things, shhh! Administering a brainwashing-enslavement drug en masse is par the course for the series where the protagonist released thousands of murderers and rapists into the world and received absolutely no moral condemnation for it.

Pro tip: if it’s being done for the protagonists’ benefit, it can always be justified, yay!
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honestly It's really hard to judge , One Piece world contains intelligent non-human being, hence making it very different to ours. On top of that, moral itself is subjective, there is no absolute objectivity when judging what's right and what's wrong in morality. For instance, you wouldnt be blamed for eating animals, while on the other hand you would get blamed and possibly sentenced to death for eating human despite animal and human are basically the same scientifically

As for Tama taming (or being perceived as slaving according to some people) the gifters, there are more to talk than simply calling it wrong or right. We need contexts involved within the story to comprehend the situation, it's actually roughly the same as making them your allies but with a cheap trick. Sure most of the time we cant judge who's right and who's wrong in a war, but in this context, clearly the faults are on the Beast Pirates, so in this context, Tama wasnt wrong in my opinion.

An analogy would be

Suppose there is A whose family is being murdered by cruel people, then A decided to take 1 of those cruel people as a captive so as to stop them murdering his family, is A justified in your opinion?
 
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