Current Events Is Toei right or is Toei wrong (Sanji vs Drake and P1)
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- yeah the slowest form his base form and Hybrid are fast than his Zoan form that couldn't catch Sanji who was jumping around meanwhile Base Drake stopped Urouge ( brute force fighter ) and Killer ( fast fighter) prets who said his tail has more power than his base arms prets he pushed Urouge and killer to the side 
- yeah the slowest form his base form and Hybrid are fast than his Zoan form that couldn't catch Sanji who was jumping around meanwhile Base Drake stopped Urouge ( brute force fighter ) and Killer ( fast fighter) prets who said his tail has more power than his base arms prets he pushed Urouge and killer to the side
Look at Jack for example. He stayed in Full Zoan mode against Sulong Minks....probably cause his strongest weapon (his trunk)....is at its most strongest and fastest in Full Zoan.
The Trunk in his hybrid would be smaller, weaker and thus slower....due to lack of bigger muscles.
Now Drake's hybrid tail would be slower than his tail in Full Zoan....even if his arm was weaker in Full Zoan than in Hybrid.
Either way when comparing DFs....you need to look more at the animal then just saying Hybrid > Base > Full Zoan.
Another example is Chopper. Where his Full Zoan ( Human form) is faster than his hybrid ( Chibi form).
So use logic with Drake's DF. Im not saying Full Zoan Drake is fast in movement, reaction or combat speed with his mouth. But his tail being full sized, would have all the benefits of a strong, muscular, dynamic whip....which could easily pick up momentum.
But yh...knowing you, you will reply with....brrrr.....Zoan form slow
Sure in movement. But in attack speed, logically that tail would be faster than his base.
Look at Jack for example. He stayed in Full Zoan mode against Sulong Minks....probably cause his strongest weapon (his trunk)....is at its most strongest and fastest in Full Zoan.
The Trunk in his hybrid would be smaller, weaker and thus slower....due to lack of bigger muscles.
Now Drake's hybrid tail would be slower than his tail in Full Zoan....even if his arm was weaker in Full Zoan than in Hybrid.
Either way when comparing DFs....you need to look more at the animal then just saying Hybrid > Base > Full Zoan.
Another example is Chopper. Where his Full Zoan ( Human form) is faster than his hybrid ( Chibi form).
So use logic with Drake's DF. Im not saying Full Zoan Drake is fast in movement, reaction or combat speed with his mouth. But his tail being full sized, would have all the benefits of a strong, muscular, dynamic whip....which could easily pick up momentum.
But yh...knowing you, you will reply with....brrrr.....Zoan form slow
Look at Jack for example. He stayed in Full Zoan mode against Sulong Minks....probably cause his strongest weapon (his trunk)....is at its most strongest and fastest in Full Zoan.
The Trunk in his hybrid would be smaller, weaker and thus slower....due to lack of bigger muscles.
Now Drake's hybrid tail would be slower than his tail in Full Zoan....even if his arm was weaker in Full Zoan than in Hybrid.
Either way when comparing DFs....you need to look more at the animal then just saying Hybrid > Base > Full Zoan.
Another example is Chopper. Where his Full Zoan ( Human form) is faster than his hybrid ( Chibi form).
So use logic with Drake's DF. Im not saying Full Zoan Drake is fast in movement, reaction or combat speed with his mouth. But his tail being full sized, would have all the benefits of a strong, muscular, dynamic whip....which could easily pick up momentum.
But yh...knowing you, you will reply with....brrrr.....Zoan form slow
his Zoan form is easy to evade and is easy to hit and has less skills and has no attack speed hyped and less mobility page one couldn't react to Gear 3 the slowest gear attack 
Hybrid form = base drake ( speed + named attacks + skills + mobility ) + Zoan form ( raw strength + durability )
that's why Dj Sanji got tailed vs injured Nitoryu Zoro stalemated Base Drake with his weapons who stopped two supernovas Urouge ( brute force fighter ) and Killer ( fast and agile fighter ) and he just swung his tail and hit sanji in the face and sent him flying even we have someone who did this yuen so he is as strong as Drake's tail but drake's base arms is nothing even when he stopped two supernovas and reacted to both of them
It could fit. Drake is a supernova and somebody deemed worthy to be a flying 6 and there shouldn't be nothing strange if in the end he is stronger than the F6 who are going to fight Usopp or even Nami. This seems like CP9 all over again: we have guys with higher doriki and guys with lower doriki (Kalifa, Blueno etc.).
In the fight vs P1 Sanji and co had to escape, there si nothing strange either, we have seen WB escape from marines in flashback or even Luffy escape from all kinds of fodder. If simply a fight brought out then other forces would have come and defeated Sanji for good or ruined the cover (if it was still up at that point). Also for me it is fine Sanji didn't go well vs P1, he was just testing the RS and escape soon after and at the same time P1 got hype for being able to tank Sanji blows yet this was just a skirmish just like Zoro vs Hawkins etc. etc.
In the fight vs P1 Sanji and co had to escape, there si nothing strange either, we have seen WB escape from marines in flashback or even Luffy escape from all kinds of fodder. If simply a fight brought out then other forces would have come and defeated Sanji for good or ruined the cover (if it was still up at that point). Also for me it is fine Sanji didn't go well vs P1, he was just testing the RS and escape soon after and at the same time P1 got hype for being able to tank Sanji blows yet this was just a skirmish just like Zoro vs Hawkins etc. etc.
what are saying LMAOO base drake with his weapons can fight with Nitoryu Zoro who fought with Killer a fast fighter and agile one while his slowest form couldn't catch Sanji jumping around and where is that attack speed after he tailed him is just sanji is slow not his tail is fast his hybrid form named attack came from his base form and his Zoan form doesn't boost his attack speed but his durability and attack power with the physical strength his Zoan form is easy to evade and is easy to hit and has less skills and has no attack speed hyped and less mobility page one couldn't react to Gear 3 the slowest gear attack
Hybrid form = base drake ( speed + named attacks + skills + mobility ) + Zoan form ( raw strength + durability )
that's why Dj Sanji got tailed vs injured Nitoryu Zoro stalemated Base Drake with his weapons who stopped two supernovas Urouge ( brute force fighter ) and Killer ( fast and agile fighter ) and he just swung his tail and hit sanji in the face and sent him flying even we have someone who did this yuen so he is as strong as Drake's tail but drake's base arms is nothing even when he stopped two supernovas and reacted to both of them
his Zoan form is easy to evade and is easy to hit and has less skills and has no attack speed hyped and less mobility page one couldn't react to Gear 3 the slowest gear attack Hybrid form = base drake ( speed + named attacks + skills + mobility ) + Zoan form ( raw strength + durability )
that's why Dj Sanji got tailed vs injured Nitoryu Zoro stalemated Base Drake with his weapons who stopped two supernovas Urouge ( brute force fighter ) and Killer ( fast and agile fighter ) and he just swung his tail and hit sanji in the face and sent him flying even we have someone who did this yuen so he is as strong as Drake's tail but drake's base arms is nothing even when he stopped two supernovas and reacted to both of them
Not only that but you're also ignoring the fact that Drake tricked Sanji into pretending to with the mouth but then using the tail. When you're in base and you have your literally weapons in your hands....you cant trick anyone. However Drake full Zoan can attack with his mouth and tail. Which are at opposite ends of the body. Sanji wouldve never thought hed be hit by the tail...since Drake always attack with the mouth
Man all of these things is just common sense like I dont know why im even debating this.
If Sanji hyopthetically clashed equally and beat up Apoo without Apoo using his powers....would I hate on Zoro for getting hit on Apoo's DF unknowningly.
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If Sanji could do that. Then hed destroyed everyone.
However he did that specifically for a person on Oven's lvl. Meaning anyone on Oven's speed lvl would get blitzed to hell and Sanji would move so fast that time would stop for them.
Of course knowing Oda...this would be inconsistent tho. But then again are we gonna ignore that he still did it.
The end of Zoro vs Nerfed Killer
The end of Sanji vs Full Zoan Form X-Drake
The end of Sanji vs Full Zoan Form X-Drake
How can you compare Zoro vs Killer? This is ridiculous and almost satirical.
Zoro won clearly in manga and anime against killer (that didnt hold back), in a fight that put Zoro in disadvantage (2vs1)
Drake vs Sanji manga: Drake uses tail and knock back Sanji, Sanji try to use diable jumble that it clash ended there...
Anime only: X-Drake only movement was a tail and the rest is just talking and tanking Sanji full combo. Conclusion of the fight: we dont see X-Drake body but only that he is falling do the ground (maybe unconscious) maybe he is fine.
So Toei has created 2 narratives now"-
" Sanji runs away from P1"
" Sanji defeats Drake"
They've also created the "Drake > P1" narrative. Now should we believe them...or should we just ignore this and say that we dont know what happened in the manga.
However an esteemed user and extremely intelligent Zoro fan @ShadyOjiro has brought it to my attention. That if Toei content doesnt contradict the manga, then we could possibly use it as the truth. It seems to be his headcannon, but it seems pretty logical to me.
Sanji defeating Drake doesnt contradict the manga, since we dont know what happened....
Anyways thats food for thought.
My personal opinion is that Sanjis looks good whether Toei is right or wrong.....so IDGAF
" Sanji runs away from P1"
" Sanji defeats Drake"
They've also created the "Drake > P1" narrative. Now should we believe them...or should we just ignore this and say that we dont know what happened in the manga.
However an esteemed user and extremely intelligent Zoro fan @ShadyOjiro has brought it to my attention. That if Toei content doesnt contradict the manga, then we could possibly use it as the truth. It seems to be his headcannon, but it seems pretty logical to me.
Sanji defeating Drake doesnt contradict the manga, since we dont know what happened....
Anyways thats food for thought.
My personal opinion is that Sanjis looks good whether Toei is right or wrong.....so IDGAF
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They know the future of OP that doesn't mean they don't add shit in. Like when Zoro got lost earlier in the arc. The completely changed it in the anime acting like he didn't get lost. The scene with Sanji os completely different in the manga. Sanji wasn't even near Zoro for Zoro to push him. He was still fighting Drake. Zoro cut that obiwaban guy not push him. That scene literally contradicts the manga.
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The scene literally doesn't happen that way in the manga
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