So basically, in chapter 1137, it was revealed by Shamrock, the captain of the Holy Knights that they were going to bring Elbaf to heel,which I assume means conquering the country.
It seems the original plan was to convince Loki to join the Holy knights,and then use him as a "piece" to conquer Elbaf. I think we can assume that because after Loki refused to join Shamrock says they have to "Change our tact" and wanted to contact the WG. It seems like the new plan is to kidnap giant children. Once they get backup.
Okay, so my first issue here is trying to recruit Loki, a 2.8 billion dollar pirate, to the holy knights. In the past, we have seen the WG work with certain pirates through the warlord system.... and it ended up terribly. First, Crocodile tried to revive Pluton, and was working with an Ohara scholar to do so. His goal once he got Pluton, was to create a country that could compete with the world government, a goal he maintains to this day. This only failed because Robin and Luffy, otherwise, the WG would have ended up sponsoring a future competitor. But... okay, whatever these mistakes happen. Next, we have Crocodiles replacement, a new pirate named Blackbeard, to show his skills he actually turned in the son of Roger. Okay, so I guess the people who doubted the warlord system would be proven wrong, lets just let Blackbeard cook.....
Oh yeah, that doesn't work out and Blackbeard was just abusing his warlord status to do the Impel down break out. Anyway, around this same time Kuma decides to personally spare Dragons son and Jimebi helps fight on the other side of Marineford,while Boa kind of does the same. So, at this point, the warlord system is really not looking good. Then, after the time skip, we see Law ally with Luffy.... and I don't really think we need to get into Doflamingo, who is arming a Yonko, tried to kill everyone in an important Wg country, was open about wanting to kill all the celestial dragons and only having his position because of blackmail. I mean the guy threatens WG employees for fun lmao, I don't really think there's much to say here...
But thankfully, after the reverie, the warlord system is abolished, which makes a lot of sense when done in the story, with Akainu confirming that the Gorosei were okay with this move. So, this is where my issue starts, why is the WG trying to work with pirates again? And this situation is even worse, most of the warlords were somewhat small time pirates before joining, so the WG may have believed they were possible to control, its also a fact that Marines can strip warlords of their position(like we see Tashigi do in Alabasta or Fuji with Law for example). On the other hand, celestial dragons can basically do whatever they want, with the only people who would be able to do anything about them seems to be the holy knights, the Gorosei and Imu, I guess. Also, Loki is an extremely dangerous multi billion dollar pirate, who likely has a huge ego, and is pretty open about wanting to destroy the entire world, believing he's the sun god and disliking the Wg.... I would be less annoyed if they asked him once before giving up, but the multiple chances from Shamrock and Gunko just seemed like a bit much. One possible argument in favor of Loki being recruited is that as an Elbaf giant, he could make the other giants fall in line easier, since the people of Elbaf seem somewhat racist and prideful. My issue with this idea is that the Elbaf giants fucking HATE Loki, and call him the shame of Elbaf.
Based on this, I don't even think the older giants who disliked the former king are allies to Loki, since its implied all the warriors worked against him. This implies that he would have basically zero allies among the giants. The only thing recruiting Loki would do is, piss off the giants more, and lead to an inevitable betrayal. Imagine Loki sees what Doflamingo did in the holy land, and decides to reveal this secret info to people around the world. We already know the WG isn't really good at handling these types of situations. So, based on what we know, recruiting Loki is just a terrible move at every level.
My second issue with this situation is that conquering Elbaf will end up leading to future rebellions against the WG. Some people will point out that for most of OP, the giants are jobbers and they would probably lose to the WG. And sure, I don't really disagree with this(though the people of Elbaf are on average stronger then the average citizen basically anywhere else), but my issue is that conquering a country is not a one and done thing, you'll have to maintain control of a territory, which will always have freedom fighters and rebels. The giants of Elbaf also traditionally have a culture that glorifies living like a warrior and mistrust of outsiders. For example, we obviously know of Dorry and Broggy who spent 100 years fighting each other over something they don't remember. But they remained committed to it because of their honor. Some people will point out the Elbaf culture has changed, but remanents of it do exist, as Ripley mentioned that Harold used to argue with some of the older giants who disagreed with him.
We also know that Elbaf still kind of dislikes outsiders and glorifies Nika
Lastly, its worth pointing out that Shanks is friends with these racist cartoon characters, and as we know from Chapter 1.....
So, harming the people in Elbaf will lead to a war with the red hair pirates, probably.
My third problem with this plan, is that the WG has much bigger problems to focus on. For example, Dragon believed the holy knights would be mobilized to stop the revolutionary army. And this only makes sense, since the revolutionary army attacked the Holy land and its food supply, and lead to uprisings in several countries...
But, instead of crushing the revolutionary armies presence in the countries that have left the WG, or its leaders like Dragon, Iva and Koala or whatever, they decide to expand their territory? Wouldn't this just allow the revolutionary army to expand into Elbaf, and recruit many giants? Why would you expand your empire while it's not currently stable? It would be one thing if the Holy Knights were trying to: Kill Luffy, who is literally Nika and his fleet attacked a celestial dragon,while the SH themselves protected Vegapunk from several Gorosei and accidentally awakened ancient technology that made the Incel king of the WG shit himself, or kill Blackbeard/Buggy or whatever who are currently making moves against the WG. Even killing Morgans the newsman who reported to the world that Nika was back. But, the WG is just....Ignoring all those problems? This is just weirdly inconsistent from the conservative Gorosei we have seen previously, who like to make their moves carefully without disturbing the balance of the world.
Did the other Gorosei just say fuck it after Saturn was unjustly killed in an Incel rampage and let Imu and Garland have a vanity project? Anyway, I get this is a kids manga and everything that we don't need to overthink, but unless we get a good explanation for this(which is possible to some extent) I think it will ruin what could otherwise be a pretty good arc, maybe the best PTS since WCI.
It seems the original plan was to convince Loki to join the Holy knights,and then use him as a "piece" to conquer Elbaf. I think we can assume that because after Loki refused to join Shamrock says they have to "Change our tact" and wanted to contact the WG. It seems like the new plan is to kidnap giant children. Once they get backup.
Okay, so my first issue here is trying to recruit Loki, a 2.8 billion dollar pirate, to the holy knights. In the past, we have seen the WG work with certain pirates through the warlord system.... and it ended up terribly. First, Crocodile tried to revive Pluton, and was working with an Ohara scholar to do so. His goal once he got Pluton, was to create a country that could compete with the world government, a goal he maintains to this day. This only failed because Robin and Luffy, otherwise, the WG would have ended up sponsoring a future competitor. But... okay, whatever these mistakes happen. Next, we have Crocodiles replacement, a new pirate named Blackbeard, to show his skills he actually turned in the son of Roger. Okay, so I guess the people who doubted the warlord system would be proven wrong, lets just let Blackbeard cook.....
Oh yeah, that doesn't work out and Blackbeard was just abusing his warlord status to do the Impel down break out. Anyway, around this same time Kuma decides to personally spare Dragons son and Jimebi helps fight on the other side of Marineford,while Boa kind of does the same. So, at this point, the warlord system is really not looking good. Then, after the time skip, we see Law ally with Luffy.... and I don't really think we need to get into Doflamingo, who is arming a Yonko, tried to kill everyone in an important Wg country, was open about wanting to kill all the celestial dragons and only having his position because of blackmail. I mean the guy threatens WG employees for fun lmao, I don't really think there's much to say here...
But thankfully, after the reverie, the warlord system is abolished, which makes a lot of sense when done in the story, with Akainu confirming that the Gorosei were okay with this move. So, this is where my issue starts, why is the WG trying to work with pirates again? And this situation is even worse, most of the warlords were somewhat small time pirates before joining, so the WG may have believed they were possible to control, its also a fact that Marines can strip warlords of their position(like we see Tashigi do in Alabasta or Fuji with Law for example). On the other hand, celestial dragons can basically do whatever they want, with the only people who would be able to do anything about them seems to be the holy knights, the Gorosei and Imu, I guess. Also, Loki is an extremely dangerous multi billion dollar pirate, who likely has a huge ego, and is pretty open about wanting to destroy the entire world, believing he's the sun god and disliking the Wg.... I would be less annoyed if they asked him once before giving up, but the multiple chances from Shamrock and Gunko just seemed like a bit much. One possible argument in favor of Loki being recruited is that as an Elbaf giant, he could make the other giants fall in line easier, since the people of Elbaf seem somewhat racist and prideful. My issue with this idea is that the Elbaf giants fucking HATE Loki, and call him the shame of Elbaf.
Based on this, I don't even think the older giants who disliked the former king are allies to Loki, since its implied all the warriors worked against him. This implies that he would have basically zero allies among the giants. The only thing recruiting Loki would do is, piss off the giants more, and lead to an inevitable betrayal. Imagine Loki sees what Doflamingo did in the holy land, and decides to reveal this secret info to people around the world. We already know the WG isn't really good at handling these types of situations. So, based on what we know, recruiting Loki is just a terrible move at every level.
My second issue with this situation is that conquering Elbaf will end up leading to future rebellions against the WG. Some people will point out that for most of OP, the giants are jobbers and they would probably lose to the WG. And sure, I don't really disagree with this(though the people of Elbaf are on average stronger then the average citizen basically anywhere else), but my issue is that conquering a country is not a one and done thing, you'll have to maintain control of a territory, which will always have freedom fighters and rebels. The giants of Elbaf also traditionally have a culture that glorifies living like a warrior and mistrust of outsiders. For example, we obviously know of Dorry and Broggy who spent 100 years fighting each other over something they don't remember. But they remained committed to it because of their honor. Some people will point out the Elbaf culture has changed, but remanents of it do exist, as Ripley mentioned that Harold used to argue with some of the older giants who disagreed with him.
We also know that Elbaf still kind of dislikes outsiders and glorifies Nika
Lastly, its worth pointing out that Shanks is friends with these racist cartoon characters, and as we know from Chapter 1.....
So, harming the people in Elbaf will lead to a war with the red hair pirates, probably.
My third problem with this plan, is that the WG has much bigger problems to focus on. For example, Dragon believed the holy knights would be mobilized to stop the revolutionary army. And this only makes sense, since the revolutionary army attacked the Holy land and its food supply, and lead to uprisings in several countries...
But, instead of crushing the revolutionary armies presence in the countries that have left the WG, or its leaders like Dragon, Iva and Koala or whatever, they decide to expand their territory? Wouldn't this just allow the revolutionary army to expand into Elbaf, and recruit many giants? Why would you expand your empire while it's not currently stable? It would be one thing if the Holy Knights were trying to: Kill Luffy, who is literally Nika and his fleet attacked a celestial dragon,while the SH themselves protected Vegapunk from several Gorosei and accidentally awakened ancient technology that made the Incel king of the WG shit himself, or kill Blackbeard/Buggy or whatever who are currently making moves against the WG. Even killing Morgans the newsman who reported to the world that Nika was back. But, the WG is just....Ignoring all those problems? This is just weirdly inconsistent from the conservative Gorosei we have seen previously, who like to make their moves carefully without disturbing the balance of the world.
Did the other Gorosei just say fuck it after Saturn was unjustly killed in an Incel rampage and let Imu and Garland have a vanity project? Anyway, I get this is a kids manga and everything that we don't need to overthink, but unless we get a good explanation for this(which is possible to some extent) I think it will ruin what could otherwise be a pretty good arc, maybe the best PTS since WCI.
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