General & Others Isn't the Rox Alliance a little bit too strong to be defeated so early on?
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Luffy’s training to fight Kaido specifically, but the technique Hyogoro’s teaching him could be used to affect both their main target and Big Mom, right? This may be unlikely/considered an asspull, but what if the other Supernovas/whichever reinforcements are coming to help (maybe Shanks?) can be taught this as well or already know how to do it? If this is the way to break through a Yonko’s defense, just Luffy performing it shouldn’t be enough, but the move itself should be effective if performed by several people simultaneously.
I think you guys are selling the Strawhats and all a little short. let's look at the people who will fight Kaidou :
For sure :
Luffy and his crew
Law and his crew
Kin'emon and the other Red scabbards
The yakuza leaders
The minks
The rebel samurais
The Straw Hat Grand Fleet
Marco and the remnants of the WB Pirates
Jinbe, who will obviously return at some point in this arc
The Germa, who has unfinished business with Big Mom, even if only one or two surviving members
Possibly :
X Drake if he's the one helping Law
Hawkins if he foresees Kaido and Big Mom's defeat at the hands of the Alliance
Moria, if he's used to deal with the man who broke him, Kaidou
Weevil, if he stumbles in the fight - dumb as he is, he'll befriend Luffy when the latter will call him Whitebeard and says he look so much alike with Newgate
Added to that the fact that Big Mom's crew may not be at full force, since they only came with one ship, and apparently without Katakuri, whose presence hasn't been hinted at all so far, and while the Yonkou Alliance is extremely powerful, the Strawhats have a lot of powerhouses on their side. Inuarashi, Nekomamushi and Ashura Doji have all been able to fight equally with Jack, one of the strongest members of Kaidou's crew, after all.
Plus, there is the mystery of Rocks, who escaped Impel Down, if I remember right. He could go either way, since he saw what Luffy did to try and free his brother, I suspect.
For sure :
Luffy and his crew
Law and his crew
Kin'emon and the other Red scabbards
The yakuza leaders
The minks
The rebel samurais
The Straw Hat Grand Fleet
Marco and the remnants of the WB Pirates
Jinbe, who will obviously return at some point in this arc
The Germa, who has unfinished business with Big Mom, even if only one or two surviving members
Possibly :
X Drake if he's the one helping Law
Hawkins if he foresees Kaido and Big Mom's defeat at the hands of the Alliance
Moria, if he's used to deal with the man who broke him, Kaidou
Weevil, if he stumbles in the fight - dumb as he is, he'll befriend Luffy when the latter will call him Whitebeard and says he look so much alike with Newgate
Added to that the fact that Big Mom's crew may not be at full force, since they only came with one ship, and apparently without Katakuri, whose presence hasn't been hinted at all so far, and while the Yonkou Alliance is extremely powerful, the Strawhats have a lot of powerhouses on their side. Inuarashi, Nekomamushi and Ashura Doji have all been able to fight equally with Jack, one of the strongest members of Kaidou's crew, after all.
Plus, there is the mystery of Rocks, who escaped Impel Down, if I remember right. He could go either way, since he saw what Luffy did to try and free his brother, I suspect.
Rocks ? Same Rocks that was probably defeated by Garp ?
I 100% don't remember Blackbeard freeing someone named Rocks :unsure:
He just freed 4 prisoners then recruited them as crew members to his group ( San Juan Wolf , Catarina Devon , Avalo Pizarro , Vasco Shot )
Catarina Devon = the most evil woman in the OP world
San Juan Wolf = a giant
Avalo Pizarro = nicknamed "Corrupt King"
Vasco Shot = a drunkard
He also took Shiryuu , but it wasn't Blackbeard who freed him , it was Magellan but Shiryuu betrayed Magellan
I 100% don't remember Blackbeard freeing someone named Rocks :unsure:
He just freed 4 prisoners then recruited them as crew members to his group ( San Juan Wolf , Catarina Devon , Avalo Pizarro , Vasco Shot )
Catarina Devon = the most evil woman in the OP world
San Juan Wolf = a giant
Avalo Pizarro = nicknamed "Corrupt King"
Vasco Shot = a drunkard
He also took Shiryuu , but it wasn't Blackbeard who freed him , it was Magellan but Shiryuu betrayed Magellan
The Straw Hats will be getting the Beasts Pirates. It's how Oda rolls.
King VS Zoro
Queen VS Sanji
Jack VS Jimbei
Numbers VS The Rest
Other characters can have the left overs.
If Zoro fights Kyoshiro (or Orochi?) and then King, then there must be another set of fights aside from the Beasts Pirates match-ups.
Zoro VS Kyoshiro (his Doflamingo and Cracker, which acts as a stepping stone for King)
Sanji VS ???
??? VS Big Mom Pirates (minus Big Mom)
If the Beasts and Big Mom Pirates teaming up makes the Straw Hats' foes invincible, then will the Marines showing up as third party even the playing field?
King VS Zoro
Queen VS Sanji
Jack VS Jimbei
Numbers VS The Rest
Other characters can have the left overs.
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If Zoro fights Kyoshiro (or Orochi?) and then King, then there must be another set of fights aside from the Beasts Pirates match-ups.
Zoro VS Kyoshiro (his Doflamingo and Cracker, which acts as a stepping stone for King)
Sanji VS ???
??? VS Big Mom Pirates (minus Big Mom)
If the Beasts and Big Mom Pirates teaming up makes the Straw Hats' foes invincible, then will the Marines showing up as third party even the playing field?
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Well for all we know this not Rox completly united again but a part of it at least a third part is missing
and without a third party intervention outside of the straw hat alliance, BB or the Marines, yes they are pretty strong to get defeated by the SH alliance on their own
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and without a third party intervention outside of the straw hat alliance, BB or the Marines, yes they are pretty strong to get defeated by the SH alliance on their own
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Stop the madness
WB isnt beating 2 top tiers at once
Especially high top tiers.
Old WB wasnt WSM no more... he himself stated it. Oda made it clear.
He retained his title coz the people continued deeming him WSM yet in reality he was a shell of himself.
No matter how OP you are... you are not 2 top 5 at once
Shiki failed to beat Garp and Sengoku
Shiki rival was Sengoku.
Roger cant even beat Shiki and Garp
WB equalled by Roger...
Keep believing crap as on top pirate solo 2 admirals/emperors at once
WB isnt beating 2 top tiers at once
Especially high top tiers.
Old WB wasnt WSM no more... he himself stated it. Oda made it clear.
He retained his title coz the people continued deeming him WSM yet in reality he was a shell of himself.
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No matter how OP you are... you are not 2 top 5 at once
Shiki failed to beat Garp and Sengoku
Shiki rival was Sengoku.
Roger cant even beat Shiki and Garp
WB equalled by Roger...
Keep believing crap as on top pirate solo 2 admirals/emperors at once
WB said "you can not be the strongest forever" not "Kaido and BM are stronger than me", that simply means that he ages as well.
The facts are that WB was the name of the age, he had the title of strongest man and Kaido and BM could do nothing about it, Doffy underlined it and BM stated as well that WB was above the other yonkos. If Kaido and BM were stronger why didn't they wage war on him?
Old WB is not beating Kaido and BM together, that is clear but prime WB is another matter. He was the only one on par with Roger and for sure way stronger than his old, sick self who was still stronger than BM and Kaido, you do the math.
The facts are that WB was the name of the age, he had the title of strongest man and Kaido and BM could do nothing about it, Doffy underlined it and BM stated as well that WB was above the other yonkos. If Kaido and BM were stronger why didn't they wage war on him?
Old WB is not beating Kaido and BM together, that is clear but prime WB is another matter. He was the only one on par with Roger and for sure way stronger than his old, sick self who was still stronger than BM and Kaido, you do the math.
I am always in awe how many people think the marine will appear out of sudden of literally nowhere, is it because of Green Bull? Because so many want to see him that desperately? What reason would have the marine to interfere? They know damn well that they could do jackshit against two Yonkos.
Also who should tell them anyway, Wano is closed off so no information is coming through. I just don't see it.
Honest to god this arc is already overloaded with people, there won't be more needed.
Also who should tell them anyway, Wano is closed off so no information is coming through. I just don't see it.
Honest to god this arc is already overloaded with people, there won't be more needed.
I don’t think the alliance between Big Mom and Kaido lasts, as they’re too volatile. I could see one accidentally hitting the other during the final fight and becoming enemies, thus making it Luffy/Law/Kid vs Kaido vs Big Mom and easier for Luffy to take them out.
I do think though that they both go down here, which would be fitting, as it parallels his grandfather. Garp crushed Rox, Luffy crushes the rebirth of Rox.
I do think though that they both go down here, which would be fitting, as it parallels his grandfather. Garp crushed Rox, Luffy crushes the rebirth of Rox.