Break Week Isn't the Yonko saga weird?

[Urouge D. Rouge]

Hi

I was having shower thoughts about one piece and one of them is how weird it felt to me the structure of the yonko arc

1st: I guess defining it should come first

- - - The Yonko Saga is basically the whole pos-timeskip so far, until the end of wano.

- - - Fishman island was the start with luffys declaration of war to big mom and ended with kaido's and big mom's defeat.

2nd : The "deuteragonistic arc" being all the things about samurai and Wano.

- - - Kinnemon and momo appear in punk hazard and ask luffy to free them from Kaido
- - - BUT, Law's plan already involving attackin Kaido, although he himself was on a quest of revenge on Doffy, and probably thought on Dying in Dressrosa


The arcs in the saga were: Punk Hazard (Affected Kaidou and BigMom); Dressrosa (Affected Kaido),Zou (Kaido involvement but Bigmom steal the show with Sanji plot)
Whole Cake (BigMom being the center) and Wano (Kaidou focused, BigMom was there)


What i Think it's werid is how both Yonko stories go at the same time, with the closure only happening at the end of Wano for both.

Alabasta saga would be the closest to this since we have drum and little garden between whiskey peak (we learn crococdile shenanigans) and alabasta itself (the confront) but even then it's all tied, and both Little Garden and Drum are way smaller than Dressrosa and WholeCake in lenght

Meanwhile Yonko Saga is long and probably the LONGEST Saga we'll have with 3 massive arcs from Dressrosa to Wano, where Oda tries to juggle between BM and Kaido while also focsuing so much of his time in the Samurai sidequest, with even the likes of Law who was a big ally of luffy for a long time being overshadowed.

It's like if Oda was trying to tell two stories at the same tim, in the sense of none had a conclusion until both end together and it hurt both Linlin, who had a great Whole Cake appearence, but not so interesting in Wano; and Kaido who only appeared in Wano, which focused a lot more on Oden than him.We got stuff aboutkaido, but his backstory pre-rocks wasnt shown a lot and Oda saved Rocks stuff for later.

So in the end we had Two Arcs that were too big and Oda tried to knot them in the end and wasnt satisfying IMO.

Would it have been better if we had a Linlin Saga and then a Kaido Saga? Who Knows. Possibly the execution is what not satisfied us.

I expected a big showdown on the rooftop with the crew vs BM and Kaido. Law and Kid could be there too but instead we got strong people like Jimbei and Franky dealing with Tobi Fodders. Also King and Queen were not at the level of Zoro and Sanji.

meanwhile Apoo,Killer, Drake and Hawkins were doing some side stuff no one really cared a lot

BUT what do you think? How do you feel about the Yonko Saga?

 

[Blax Blah]

I think it was very hype and pretty peak

 

[moreha9685]

I think it was very hype and very weak

Indeed. A lot of empty hype, on which Oda failed to deliver.

 

[Blax Blah]

Indeed. A lot of empty hype, on which Oda failed to deliver.

Maybe but the hype was crazy

I'm definetly not ready for what comes next though, I need to prepare myself for Woker, Woby, the powercreep, etc

 

[moreha9685]

Maybe but the hype was crazy

But the hype can't be an end to itself. What's the point of me telling you for two weeks that you're going to have the best day of your life, if by the time that day comes around I don't have a plan to deliver on the promise? I've only blue-balled you. You can't live on hype alone.

 

[Blax Blah]

But the hype can't be an end to itself. What's the point of me telling you for two weeks that you're going to have the best day of your life, if by the time that day comes around I don't have a plan to deliver on the promise? I've only blue-balled you. You can't live on hype alone.

I guess it depends on what you were hyped about, my main hype was the Luffy vs Kaido fight and for me it was amazing, I cried when I saw the panel where Luffy comes back with that smile

 

[moreha9685]

I cried when I saw the panel where Luffy comes back with that smile

Brother, please.

 

[Rumble]

Everything from the start of the skip to the end of Dressrosa can be considered as a prelude to the Yonko Saga as it were.

The saga began on Zou.

 

[moreha9685]

Everything from the start of the skip to the end of Dressrosa can be considered as a prelude to the Yonko Saga as it were.

The saga began on Zou.

I mean, you can dissect it in various ways, but one could argue that PH and DR are fundamental parts of the Yonkou saga, since the former deals with disrupting the experiments for both BM's and Kaido's giant/weapons projects, while the latter is about taking down Kaido's main arms-dealer. The prelude itself is the phone-call between Luffy and BM at the end of FMI.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Hi

I was having shower thoughts about one piece and one of them is how weird it felt to me the structure of the yonko arc

1st: I guess defining it should come first

- - - The Yonko Saga is basically the whole pos-timeskip so far, until the end of wano.

- - - Fishman island was the start with luffys declaration of war to big mom and ended with kaido's and big mom's defeat.

2nd : The "deuteragonistic arc" being all the things about samurai and Wano.

- - - Kinnemon and momo appear in punk hazard and ask luffy to free them from Kaido
- - - BUT, Law's plan already involving attackin Kaido, although he himself was on a quest of revenge on Doffy, and probably thought on Dying in Dressrosa


The arcs in the saga were: Punk Hazard (Affected Kaidou and BigMom); Dressrosa (Affected Kaido),Zou (Kaido involvement but Bigmom steal the show with Sanji plot)
Whole Cake (BigMom being the center) and Wano (Kaidou focused, BigMom was there)


What i Think it's werid is how both Yonko stories go at the same time, with the closure only happening at the end of Wano for both.

Alabasta saga would be the closest to this since we have drum and little garden between whiskey peak (we learn crococdile shenanigans) and alabasta itself (the confront) but even then it's all tied, and both Little Garden and Drum are way smaller than Dressrosa and WholeCake in lenght

Meanwhile Yonko Saga is long and probably the LONGEST Saga we'll have with 3 massive arcs from Dressrosa to Wano, where Oda tries to juggle between BM and Kaido while also focsuing so much of his time in the Samurai sidequest, with even the likes of Law who was a big ally of luffy for a long time being overshadowed.

It's like if Oda was trying to tell two stories at the same tim, in the sense of none had a conclusion until both end together and it hurt both Linlin, who had a great Whole Cake appearence, but not so interesting in Wano; and Kaido who only appeared in Wano, which focused a lot more on Oden than him.We got stuff aboutkaido, but his backstory pre-rocks wasnt shown a lot and Oda saved Rocks stuff for later.

So in the end we had Two Arcs that were too big and Oda tried to knot them in the end and wasnt satisfying IMO.

Would it have been better if we had a Linlin Saga and then a Kaido Saga? Who Knows. Possibly the execution is what not satisfied us.

I expected a big showdown on the rooftop with the crew vs BM and Kaido. Law and Kid could be there too but instead we got strong people like Jimbei and Franky dealing with Tobi Fodders. Also King and Queen were not at the level of Zoro and Sanji.

meanwhile Apoo,Killer, Drake and Hawkins were doing some side stuff no one really cared a lot

BUT what do you think? How do you feel about the Yonko Saga?

The yonko saga is basically what happens if you shove the Skypeia Saga (Dressrosa) into the Alabasta Saga.

It goes too long and because of that it misses the mark on a lot of things and gets super confusing. Honestly, the DR saga should’ve been separate from Wano Saga.

 

[Urouge D. Rouge]

The yonko saga is basically what happens if you shove the Skypeia Saga (Dressrosa) into the Alabasta Saga.

It goes too long and because of that it misses the mark on a lot of things and gets super confusing. Honestly, the DR saga should’ve been separate from Wano Saga.

Oda just had to insert samurai plot there for reasons

I'm a big hater of the samurai stuff cause i think it could be done without 10 years of setup but oh well

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And i do not mean that cool stuff didnt happen in this Saga, I just think it was a mess

 

[gz89]

I think it was very hype and pretty peak

It started like this

Ended like this

 

[MonsterKaido]

Post skip one piece is bloated due to less focus on SHs minus Luffy and more focus on secondary characters. It has highs and lows.

 

[Garp the Fist]

It seems to me that Oda knew where he wanted the Samurai and Kaido plot to go, but kept chopping and changing his mind about how he was fitting BM into the overall story. I just don’t believe that the original plan was for her to be defeated on Wano.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Hi

I was having shower thoughts about one piece and one of them is how weird it felt to me the structure of the yonko arc

1st: I guess defining it should come first

- - - The Yonko Saga is basically the whole pos-timeskip so far, until the end of wano.

- - - Fishman island was the start with luffys declaration of war to big mom and ended with kaido's and big mom's defeat.

2nd : The "deuteragonistic arc" being all the things about samurai and Wano.

- - - Kinnemon and momo appear in punk hazard and ask luffy to free them from Kaido
- - - BUT, Law's plan already involving attackin Kaido, although he himself was on a quest of revenge on Doffy, and probably thought on Dying in Dressrosa


The arcs in the saga were: Punk Hazard (Affected Kaidou and BigMom); Dressrosa (Affected Kaido),Zou (Kaido involvement but Bigmom steal the show with Sanji plot)
Whole Cake (BigMom being the center) and Wano (Kaidou focused, BigMom was there)


What i Think it's werid is how both Yonko stories go at the same time, with the closure only happening at the end of Wano for both.

Alabasta saga would be the closest to this since we have drum and little garden between whiskey peak (we learn crococdile shenanigans) and alabasta itself (the confront) but even then it's all tied, and both Little Garden and Drum are way smaller than Dressrosa and WholeCake in lenght

Meanwhile Yonko Saga is long and probably the LONGEST Saga we'll have with 3 massive arcs from Dressrosa to Wano, where Oda tries to juggle between BM and Kaido while also focsuing so much of his time in the Samurai sidequest, with even the likes of Law who was a big ally of luffy for a long time being overshadowed.

It's like if Oda was trying to tell two stories at the same tim, in the sense of none had a conclusion until both end together and it hurt both Linlin, who had a great Whole Cake appearence, but not so interesting in Wano; and Kaido who only appeared in Wano, which focused a lot more on Oden than him.We got stuff aboutkaido, but his backstory pre-rocks wasnt shown a lot and Oda saved Rocks stuff for later.

So in the end we had Two Arcs that were too big and Oda tried to knot them in the end and wasnt satisfying IMO.

Would it have been better if we had a Linlin Saga and then a Kaido Saga? Who Knows. Possibly the execution is what not satisfied us.

I expected a big showdown on the rooftop with the crew vs BM and Kaido. Law and Kid could be there too but instead we got strong people like Jimbei and Franky dealing with Tobi Fodders. Also King and Queen were not at the level of Zoro and Sanji.

meanwhile Apoo,Killer, Drake and Hawkins were doing some side stuff no one really cared a lot

BUT what do you think? How do you feel about the Yonko Saga?

I liked Fishman Island. It was so calm compared to Punk Hazard

 

[Urouge D. Rouge]

I liked Fishman Island. It was so calm compared to Punk Hazard

most of the story there was selfcontained and the only loose ends are neptune and the arc who will come back later, and luffy challenging big mother

 

[Juanpiz]

I liked Fishman Island. It was so calm compared to Punk Hazard

Sanji wasnt so Calm when he saw the Princess

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji wasnt so Calm when he saw the Princess

Instead Sanji showed us the mindset of a conqueror when he found her

 

[MasterD]

I think it was pretty good some parts were quite awesome 👌

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

The yonko saga is basically what happens if you shove the Skypeia Saga (Dressrosa) into the Alabasta Saga.

It goes too long and because of that it misses the mark on a lot of things and gets super confusing. Honestly, the DR saga should’ve been separate from Wano Saga.

Maybe this is a hot take, idk, but personally, we never should've met Kinnemon and Momo at Punk Hazard. Aside from bawling over Oden and making toy costumes for them while on Dressrosa, those bums were useless to the story and shouldn't have been met until Wano or at all.

Some might say Momo needed to be there from the start because his fruit is super important in Onigashima to stall Kaido and stop the island from crashing into the flower capital, but even that just feels like needless padding and it made no fucking sense for Kaido to destroy the seat of his empire's economic power, and all because he was still salty about LOden. And even then, Nika has so many asspull powers that Oda probably could've had him poof up magic clouds to hold up the island himself without Momo. Edit: Or just have Nami make Zeus hold it up. Whatever.

Let's face it, the samurai stuff was all unnecessary and Wano was heavily bloated with useless samurai characters that make everyone in Water 7 look way more important by comparison.

Momo's devil fruit is also useless because you think it might tie heavily into Vegapunk, but the only thing that comes from that is a gag scene of Vegapunk whining about how he hated the fact that it was pink. That's it. All that Vegapunk build-up for nothing.