Controversial It Is Extremely Annoying That Oda Is Holding Back The Admirals NOW (Not A PL Debate)

#21
I'm gonna start off this thread by dropping all agenda posturing and saying this outright to set the tone of the thread because it's important to show why I have been frustrated by a lot of Egghead:

Kaido is stronger than the admirals

We saw an extended battle with Kaido on Onigashima against a large number of characters and saw everything he could do. For a lot of the series, Oda liked to have off-screening and caveats so that he could hide what battles of the very strongest looked like.

Now that we've gotten past Wano, there is no purpose to this type of writing anymore since we have a defined sense of how a battle between top tiers looks.

With this in mind, let's take a look at how Oda has shown the admirals so far:
Greenbull and Fujitora -> nerfed in Mariejois

Kuzan -> conflicted fighting a mentor that he loves, not showing abilities on par with what Punk Hazard implies he can do

Kizaru -> troll game of tag with Gear 5, conflicted because of Vegapunk

My frustration is hitting a boiling point because my biggest interest in this arc by far was seeing Kizaru's full bag.
And I feel like I started to see that when he pulled out the light clones.

But I personally (and not everyone believes this I know) am starting to get the sense that this arc might just end with an escape/some other group interferes. Meaning that we do not get closure over whether we saw everything Kizaru could do.

Oda.

WE ALREADY SAW KAIDO AND BIG MOM FIGHT.

PLEASE JUST SHOW ME EVERYTHING THE ADMIRALS CAN DO. I DONT CARE ANYMORE BRUH
Don’t worry. Kizaru is getting written out of the story in this arc, so he’ll show everything he has
 
#22
Well the Admirals were never truly meant to be endgame villains or anything, so I can see why Oda seems to care less about them now.
That doesn't matter, the admirals were major villains in the pre-time skip, even killed a member of the MCs family, and fans have been interested in seeing more of them for over10 years.

If the series ends and it feels like we don't even have a full sense of what they can do, that is a fumble
Post automatically merged:

Don’t worry. Kizaru is getting written out of the story in this arc, so he’ll show everything he has
I hope so dude
 
#23
That doesn't matter, the admirals were major villains in the pre-time skip, even killed a member of the MCs family, and fans have been interested in seeing more of them for over10 years.

If the series ends and it feels like we don't even have a full sense of what they can do, that is a fumble
Post automatically merged:


I hope so dude
Do you believe in these matchups?

Luffy vs Fleet Admiral Sakazuki

Zoro vs Admiral Fujitora
Sanji vs Admiral Ryokugyu

Other 7 SHs vs 7 Zodiac Marines?
 
#24
That doesn't matter, the admirals were major villains in the pre-time skip, even killed a member of the MCs family, and fans have been interested in seeing more of them for over10 years.

If the series ends and it feels like we don't even have a full sense of what they can do, that is a fumble
Post automatically merged:


I hope so dude
Well like I said, we'll see eventually.
 
#25
Do you believe in these matchups?

Luffy vs Fleet Admiral Sakazuki

Zoro vs Admiral Fujitora
Sanji vs Admiral Ryokugyu

Other 7 SHs vs 7 Zodiac Marines?
I used to but I am not sure anymore.

Objectively speaking, there is nothing in the story that implies we should expect definite straw hat marine battles like in Enies Lobby/Wano/etc

It’s just fans wanting to see admiral-straw hat fights with the expectation set a lot by movies, openings, etc

Again, objectively/narratively speaking, none of them are surefire stuff like Luffy vs Blackbeard for example

Well like I said, we'll see eventually.
No, we might not.
 
#26
I used to but am not sure anymore.

Objectively speaking, there is nothing in the story that implies we should expect definite straw hat marine battles like in Enies Lobby/Wano/etc

It’s just fans wanting to see admiral-strawhat fights with the expectation set a lot by movies, openings, etc


Again, objectively/narratively speaking, none of them are sure fire stuff like Luffy vs Blackbeard for example



No, we might not.
Dude I want to fucking kill my self and even I think you're thinking too negatively.
Lighten up a little.
 
C

Cruxroux

#29
Nothing new.
Have been saying this the whole time.
:kayneshrug:
admirals ain't weak as people call them and yonkou>admiral will be a fact too.
And luffy doesn't count in this.
If admirals went all out even current luffy gets rekt.
 
#30
I used to but I am not sure anymore.

Objectively speaking, there is nothing in the story that implies we should expect definite straw hat marine battles like in Enies Lobby/Wano/etc

It’s just fans wanting to see admiral-straw hat fights with the expectation set a lot by movies, openings, etc

Again, objectively/narratively speaking, none of them are surefire stuff like Luffy vs Blackbeard for example



No, we might not.
Akainu killed Luffy’s brother, who he had spent 100 chapters trying to save, right in front of him, and gave him his only scar (not counting the scar he gave himself in ch 1).

Fujitora is a bushido swordsman who has already fought Zoro in the past.

Ryokugyu was introduced as a womanizer and having not eaten in over 3 years.

Would be very odd imo if those matchups don’t happen
 
#31
Akainu killed Luffy’s brother, who he had spent 100 chapters trying to save, right in front of him, and gave him his only scar (not counting the scar he gave himself in ch 1).
Oda himself said Marineford was just a side story. As shitty writing as it would be, there's no reason for this to have pay off.

Even worse now that Oda self-admittedly streamlined the story....

Marine content is the most likely to get axed out of all the content for the various factions objectively since they are not even at the top of the government.

Fujitora is a bushido swordsman who has already fought Zoro in the past.
Not needed for the story and Oda can just hand wave Fuji as a good guy.

Ryokugyu was introduced as a womanizer and having not eaten in over 3 years.
And Oda clearly retconned Greenbull's character from his intro. He can just have him lose offscreen to someone like Fuji who cares.


Would be very odd imo if those matchups don’t happen
It wouldn't be good, but it is what it is.
 
#33
From the moment he was okay ruining GB reputation to promote a fucking shite film shouldve made clear he doesn't care about admirals, more nerfing in marijoa and then now Kizaru being put down with a single punch. Akainu is the only one left but even him might get nerfed for the rest of gorosei/imu to take center stage.
 
#34
I kind of expected it all along because the Admirals’ abilities aren’t really easy to handle. They’re op as hell and need to be nerfed by default just by their very nature.

It’s hard to write a realistic battle with abilities that are so versatile.
The clones are a simple example. Imagine actual autonomous clones that can attack from all directions rather than conveniently lining up to be taken out.

You really can’t have them go full output or any location turns into Punk Hazard. You have things like Greenbull transforming all of Udon…an area dozens of times larger than Onigashima where 30,000 people were supposed to be fighting.

So yeah, the abilities have to be restricted for the sake of the story. It sucks, but it is what it is.
 
#35
Luffy vs Kizaru was meh because Luffy was factually not even Kizaru focus, add that to the fact Kizaru was told by Saturn to not damage Egghead assets. ( Which is why Luffy's performance extremely pathetic btw)
Now that Egghead is going to get destroyed anyway all we can do is hope for a second round, with Luffy being the target to eliminate this time.
 
Last edited:
#36
Coz oda is sentimental so he wants Luffy to be the first of everything. But Zoro is the strongest so he should be the standard but Luffy has to beat them first. So in order for Luffy to be able to beat them, they have to be nerfed. That's why kizaru and kaido don't have awakening. They will only go all out once they face Zoro.
 
#39
I'm gonna start off this thread by dropping all agenda posturing and saying this outright to set the tone of the thread because it's important to show why I have been frustrated by a lot of Egghead:

Kaido is stronger than the admirals

We saw an extended battle with Kaido on Onigashima against a large number of characters and saw everything he could do. For a lot of the series, Oda liked to have off-screening and caveats so that he could hide what battles of the very strongest looked like.

Now that we've gotten past Wano, there is no purpose to this type of writing anymore since we have a defined sense of how a battle between top tiers looks.

With this in mind, let's take a look at how Oda has shown the admirals so far:
Greenbull and Fujitora -> nerfed in Mariejois

Kuzan -> conflicted fighting a mentor that he loves, not showing abilities on par with what Punk Hazard implies he can do

Kizaru -> troll game of tag with Gear 5, conflicted because of Vegapunk

My frustration is hitting a boiling point because my biggest interest in this arc by far was seeing Kizaru's full bag.
And I feel like I started to see that when he pulled out the light clones.

But I personally (and not everyone believes this I know) am starting to get the sense that this arc might just end with an escape/some other group interferes. Meaning that we do not get closure over whether we saw everything Kizaru could do.

Oda.

WE ALREADY SAW KAIDO AND BIG MOM FIGHT.

PLEASE JUST SHOW ME EVERYTHING THE ADMIRALS CAN DO. I DONT CARE ANYMORE BRUH
You will never see the Admirals go all out until its a Arc where they actually lose. Just like we ain't see BM bag till Wano
 
Top