Versus Battle Jaime Lannister (Game of Thrones) vs Boromir (LOTR)
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This is true, he was compared to the Warrior himself. No other character's fighting abilities were literally compared to a deity before so that is probably the best hype in the entire series. He was also stated to have mastered all weapons of the battlefield which is extremely rare since most Westerosi characters only master one weapon or two at most. With Blackfyre in his hand, he probably is the strongest of all time. He's basically the "perfect" warrior and knight.
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Are you referring to Renly's Rainbowguard? Do we know how skilled they are? Were they even expecting their Lord Commander to attack them?
Why is that jumping to conclusions when we saw Loras lose a fair 1v1 fight against someone much smaller, weaker, and less skilled than the Mountain? How can such a slim and fragile man even survive a single blow from someone as physically strong as the Mountain?
The Mountain broke the rules? It was Loras who broke the rules and cheated, that's why the Mountain attempted to murder him. Here is the quote:
Jaime only praises Loras' jousting skills, NOT his sword fighting skills. They are two very different things. Even Loras himself admits that his older brother is a better swordsman and that his true talent lies in jousting tournaments.
And that's exactly why Loras isn't as good as you think he is, because he lost to Brienne. We saw Jaime was able to hold off Brienne for awhile while being malnourished, chained to the wrist, and out of practice for a year and yet Loras is in his prime and at full power and still got his ass kicked. It makes it quite clear where Loras ranks in the hierarchy. Any top tier fighter would destroy Brienne easily.
Loras is 18 during a Storm of Swords, I'm not sure why an 18 year old in a feudal society wouldn't be in their prime? Regardless, we're discussing current Loras, not hypotheticals in the future.
No indication in the books that it was Loras idea alone, the credit is given to Loras and Renly.
That being said, I'm not quite sure what's intelligent about this? Literally everyone in the history of Westeros tries to marry off members of their family to people of higher status than them. One of the very first chapters of the first book, Catelyn Stark discusses her ambitions to have Sansa become a queen, and then she discusses her father's ambitions to have Catelyn as the Lady of Winterfell. Trying to marry off women to powerful people is not a new concept and Loras and Renly are not smart for doing something that people have been doing for centuries. That's like saying they are smart for knowing how to ride a horse.
I honestly don't think Loras would survive 30 seconds against the Mountain, but we can agree to disagree bro.
He lost to Brienne because he's weaker than her. You can't compare that to the Siege of Dragonstone because Loras only did that reckless move because Cersei refused to allow the Redwyne fleet to defend the Reach from the Ironborn until Dragonstone fell. Loras pulled that risky stunt because he values the lives of the citizens of the Reach over his own life. That wasn't the case with his duel with Brienne, he simply lost because he was weaker. Nothing more, nothing less.
Likewise. Every post I make in this thread is book related.
Are you referring to Renly's Rainbowguard? Do we know how skilled they are? Were they even expecting their Lord Commander to attack them?
Why is that jumping to conclusions when we saw Loras lose a fair 1v1 fight against someone much smaller, weaker, and less skilled than the Mountain? How can such a slim and fragile man even survive a single blow from someone as physically strong as the Mountain?
The Mountain broke the rules? It was Loras who broke the rules and cheated, that's why the Mountain attempted to murder him. Here is the quote:
Jaime only praises Loras' jousting skills, NOT his sword fighting skills. They are two very different things. Even Loras himself admits that his older brother is a better swordsman and that his true talent lies in jousting tournaments.
And that's exactly why Loras isn't as good as you think he is, because he lost to Brienne. We saw Jaime was able to hold off Brienne for awhile while being malnourished, chained to the wrist, and out of practice for a year and yet Loras is in his prime and at full power and still got his ass kicked. It makes it quite clear where Loras ranks in the hierarchy. Any top tier fighter would destroy Brienne easily.
Loras is 18 during a Storm of Swords, I'm not sure why an 18 year old in a feudal society wouldn't be in their prime? Regardless, we're discussing current Loras, not hypotheticals in the future.
No indication in the books that it was Loras idea alone, the credit is given to Loras and Renly.
That being said, I'm not quite sure what's intelligent about this? Literally everyone in the history of Westeros tries to marry off members of their family to people of higher status than them. One of the very first chapters of the first book, Catelyn Stark discusses her ambitions to have Sansa become a queen, and then she discusses her father's ambitions to have Catelyn as the Lady of Winterfell. Trying to marry off women to powerful people is not a new concept and Loras and Renly are not smart for doing something that people have been doing for centuries. That's like saying they are smart for knowing how to ride a horse.
I honestly don't think Loras would survive 30 seconds against the Mountain, but we can agree to disagree bro.
He lost to Brienne because he's weaker than her. You can't compare that to the Siege of Dragonstone because Loras only did that reckless move because Cersei refused to allow the Redwyne fleet to defend the Reach from the Ironborn until Dragonstone fell. Loras pulled that risky stunt because he values the lives of the citizens of the Reach over his own life. That wasn't the case with his duel with Brienne, he simply lost because he was weaker. Nothing more, nothing less.