Controversial Jobin is misunderstood

#1
I won’t litigate Jobin’s morality here, instead I’m gonna discuss his plan and his motivations for his plan.

A big part about the motivations of everyone involved in New Rokakaka fight is misunderstanding. By that I mean many people involved both Misunderstood what the new Rokakaka was and misunderstood why other people wanted it.

A clear example of this is Joshu’s gambit regarding giving Yasuho the fruit while imagining that he was going to fuse into one being with her like Josuke. Note that even Tooru was fine with just observing one of the fruits being lost because he too wasn’t sure what would happen.

Jobin is similarly misunderstanding what the New Rokakaka does because he thinks that it can cure the Rock disease curse PERMANENTLY. As in not just do what Caato did with Tsurugi and Tooru of having someone get sacrificed to cure the disease.

What Caato did was just a repeat of what she did to cure Jobin. Instead of the bully being sacrificed under the Johnny shrine to cure Jobin, this time she used Tooru as the sacrifice to cure Tsurugi. Nothing changed. The disease was just going to repeat all over again in Tsurugi’s children next, even with the new Rokakaka.

This was Jobin’s misunderstanding, he thought the New Rokakaka was going to completely cure the disease for the entire next generations to come even if it required a sacrifice for now with Tsurugi.

But why was Jobin thinking the New Rokakaka could do this? Same reason Joshu thought he could fuse with Yasuho, because of Josuke’s existence. Josuke is not a product of the New Rokakaka, he’s a completely new and unique life form with NO PAST and an entirely new Stand to demonstrate that.

This is what both Jobin and Joshu thought the New Rokakaka did. They thought it creates things like Josuke. Entirely NEW BEINGS. This is what Jobin wanted. The only way he saw he could break the Higashikata curse was recreating his son as a new being. A new being WITH NO PAST and therefore NO CURSE.

And Jobin was kind of right. This technically could have cured the Curse. A new being with NO PAST can defeat the Curse. It’s just that The new Rokakaka isn’t what creates such a new being. The Earth does. The weird confluence of events that created the New Rokakaka and the wall eyes, the Johnny’s shrine and Kira and Josefumi. That’s what broke the Higashikata curse. The Creation of Josuke who can Go Beyond the logic of Curses and break them.
 
#2
Nobody cares about fodder bin characters.... Can't believe loda made me think she is going to be the most important part of story telling after her joining the crew...... Literally the most useless character atleast other characters don't really have anything to share from story telling but she could have been used to discuss a lot of things..
 
#3
Nobody cares about fodder bin characters.... Can't believe loda made me think she is going to be the most important part of story telling after her joining the crew...... Literally the most useless character atleast other characters don't really have anything to share from story telling but she could have been used to discuss a lot of things..
What are you talking about?
 
#5
Nobody cares about fodder bin characters.... Can't believe loda made me think she is going to be the most important part of story telling after her joining the crew...... Literally the most useless character atleast other characters don't really have anything to share from story telling but she could have been used to discuss a lot of things..
Wrong series, gang
Jobin is a character from Jojo's. As in that's literally his name.
It's not a Robin slander thread
 
#6
I won’t litigate Jobin’s morality here, instead I’m gonna discuss his plan and his motivations for his plan.

A big part about the motivations of everyone involved in New Rokakaka fight is misunderstanding. By that I mean many people involved both Misunderstood what the new Rokakaka was and misunderstood why other people wanted it.

A clear example of this is Joshu’s gambit regarding giving Yasuho the fruit while imagining that he was going to fuse into one being with her like Josuke. Note that even Tooru was fine with just observing one of the fruits being lost because he too wasn’t sure what would happen.

Jobin is similarly misunderstanding what the New Rokakaka does because he thinks that it can cure the Rock disease curse PERMANENTLY. As in not just do what Caato did with Tsurugi and Tooru of having someone get sacrificed to cure the disease.

What Caato did was just a repeat of what she did to cure Jobin. Instead of the bully being sacrificed under the Johnny shrine to cure Jobin, this time she used Tooru as the sacrifice to cure Tsurugi. Nothing changed. The disease was just going to repeat all over again in Tsurugi’s children next, even with the new Rokakaka.

This was Jobin’s misunderstanding, he thought the New Rokakaka was going to completely cure the disease for the entire next generations to come even if it required a sacrifice for now with Tsurugi.

But why was Jobin thinking the New Rokakaka could do this? Same reason Joshu thought he could fuse with Yasuho, because of Josuke’s existence. Josuke is not a product of the New Rokakaka, he’s a completely new and unique life form with NO PAST and an entirely new Stand to demonstrate that.

This is what both Jobin and Joshu thought the New Rokakaka did. They thought it creates things like Josuke. Entirely NEW BEINGS. This is what Jobin wanted. The only way he saw he could break the Higashikata curse was recreating his son as a new being. A new being WITH NO PAST and therefore NO CURSE.

And Jobin was kind of right. This technically could have cured the Curse. A new being with NO PAST can defeat the Curse. It’s just that The new Rokakaka isn’t what creates such a new being. The Earth does. The weird confluence of events that created the New Rokakaka and the wall eyes, the Johnny’s shrine and Kira and Josefumi. That’s what broke the Higashikata curse. The Creation of Josuke who can Go Beyond the logic of Curses and break them.
Nice read
Tbh I'd have to do a Jojolion reread to freshen up my memory, but ig your Jobin analysis is true
 
#7
Nice read
Tbh I'd have to do a Jojolion reread to freshen up my memory, but ig your Jobin analysis is true
Tbf I’ve been binging a shit tone of Jojolion analysis videos to gather my thoughts so you can just do that instead of rereading (My favorite is Xforts’ Jojolion Retrospective).

And what I’ve gathered is that Jojolion is the most contentious part yet with the most room for interpretation by Araki.

like this Jobin analysis is completely unique and I’ve not seen anyone bring it up yet I’ve watched like at least 12 hours of Analysis from different people about Jojolion.

so the fact that I could come up with this entirely new analysis that no one has made for the last 2 years since Jojolion ended should show you just how much you can get out from Jojolion

It’s genuinely fascinating that Araki did this intentionally. Like we have seen that he can choose to make characters and stories very straightforward. He’s done it for 7 parts now. So it’s interesting that he suddenly switched up with Jojolion to make this EVEN MORE bizarre open ended story with the most complex Characters yet.

and of course Jobin is my favorite so I put the most thought and analysis in his story specifically
 
#8
Tbf I’ve been binging a shit tone of Jojolion analysis videos to gather my thoughts so you can just do that instead of rereading (My favorite is Xforts’ Jojolion Retrospective).

And what I’ve gathered is that Jojolion is the most contentious part yet with the most room for interpretation by Araki.

like this Jobin analysis is completely unique and I’ve not seen anyone bring it up yet I’ve watched like at least 12 hours of Analysis from different people about Jojolion.

so the fact that I could come up with this entirely new analysis that no one has made for the last 2 years since Jojolion ended should show you just how much you can get out from Jojolion

It’s genuinely fascinating that Araki did this intentionally. Like we have seen that he can choose to make characters and stories very straightforward. He’s done it for 7 parts now. So it’s interesting that he suddenly switched up with Jojolion to make this EVEN MORE bizarre open ended story with the most complex Characters yet.

and of course Jobin is my favorite so I put the most thought and analysis in his story specifically
I'm not really into Jojo youtubers (or anime/manga youtubers in general right now) so thanks for the recommendation
 
#9
I'm not really into Jojo youtubers (or anime/manga youtubers in general right now) so thanks for the recommendation
I wasn’t either until I started to look for opinions on part 8. Like literally I’ve read and REREAD part 7 multiple times yet I’ve never even watched a single part 7 analysis or anything. Like it’s one of my favorite parts but I think I understand it well enough that I don’t feel the need to look up opinions on it.

I only started looking for these big jojo YouTubers specifically because I needed to know what people thought of the ending of part 8 and Jojolion in general
 
#12
Unfortunately op fans need Oda style kid writing to enjoy anything
Lol bro you're speaking to someone who has read a lot of Takehito Inoue and Urasawa. I HATE Hunter x Hunter after Chimera Ant arc and I hate JoJolion after maybe the first 40-50 chapters.
It was so ass throughout
REAL by Inoue claps this slogfest
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I will admit though, JoJolion is better than Mid X Mid post Chimera Ant arc
 
#13
Lol bro you're speaking to someone who has read a lot of Takehito Inoue and Urasawa. I HATE Hunter x Hunter after Chimera Ant arc and I hate JoJolion after maybe the first 40-50 chapters.
It was so ass throughout
REAL by Inoue claps this slogfest
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I will admit though, JoJolion is better than Mid X Mid post Chimera Ant arc
Again, you need Oda style writing to enjoy shit

I bet you don’t even know how WoU works and why it’s thematically designed to work that way… You know, since Unlike Oda, Araki doesn’t have characters lay out the themes of the story in front of you
 
#16
Yes Oda’s writing is ass… hence you want everything to be that way
Hunter X Hunter is 10x worse in writing than OP could ever hope to be
FUCK HUNTER X HUNTER
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Again, you need Oda style writing to enjoy shit

I bet you don’t even know how WoU works and why it’s thematically designed to work that way… You know, since Unlike Oda, Araki doesn’t have characters lay out the themes of the story in front of you

Lol bro you're speaking to someone who has read a lot of Takehito Inoue and Urasawa. I HATE Hunter x Hunter after Chimera Ant arc and I hate JoJolion after maybe the first 40-50 chapters.
It was so ass throughout
REAL by Inoue claps this slogfest
 
#18
You are invalidating your entire taste with this. The existence of Wano kicks Oda Below Togashi and many Shonen writers any day

Wano is at the bottom of worst Shonen arcs ever written

and yet you keep trying to say you are good judge of writing quality
I am not the one bringing up Oda. Thats you
OnePiece dickmuncher

seems you can only think of Oda
I never even dickrode OP in any of my comments yet here we are. Low IQ Hunter hunter fan

also you're bugging if you think one bad arc knocks something as good as OP BELOW HxH??? The series thats a snoozefest the entire time? The series with the most bullshit power system??? The series that has 0 GOOD arcs???? The series with the progenitor of Sasuke, only its a WORSE sasuke??? lmao

The Hunter Exams are worse than the Chunin Exams. Admit it Hunter X Hunter was a mistake. and major ass
 
#19
I am not the one bringing up Oda. Thats you
OnePiece dickmuncher

seems you can only think of Oda
I never even dickrode OP in any of my comments yet here we are. Low IQ Hunter hunter fan

also you're bugging if you think one bad arc knocks something as good as OP BELOW HxH??? The series thats a snoozefest the entire time? The series with the most bullshit power system??? The series that has 0 GOOD arcs????
The entirety of post time skip sucks… Wano is just shit crown on the shit cake

the moment you start claiming Oda is better than Togashi, you lost the way
 
#20
The entirety of post time skip sucks… Wano is just shit crown on the shit cake

the moment you start claiming Oda is better than Togashi, you lost the way
Still 401 chapters of ONE PIECE are better than 401 chapters of HxH lmaoooo
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One Piece's first 200 chapters have more action and stuff that happens than in HxH's 401
 
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