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[Herrera95]

I truly believe that a manga shouldn’t be more than 250 chapters long

That makes no sense to me.

If the manga doesn't have bad pacing like One Piece but the amount of history of One Piece or even more there is no reason for not having a 250+ chapters manga.

I wanted to keep up with Hajime no Ippo which has more chapters than One Piece but watch some videos with spoilers and is very disappointing how after 1300 chapters we didn't see much of the things we could expect since all animation content ends.

Spoiler

Animation content ends about 400 chapters in manga. In those 900 chapters difference we only had one more World Tournament fight for Takamura. We didn't had the fight between Ippo and Miyata and also no development between Ippo and Kumi Mashiba love relantionship.

 

[S.W317]

It depends on the story... JJK would be ruined if it were 1k chapters long while OP would be meh if it were only 200-300 chapters. Some stories are better short and some are better long.

Imagine if we skip everything that happened in the grand line and new world saga and go straight to Big Mom’s territories and then to Kaido’s and Shank’s and finally we go to BB and the world government. That would be 600 chapters
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Do you really read and believe what you say? As I answered in the other topic, if you want everything to be related to things from many chapters ago, that's fine with me. But that doesn't make a series better or worse. Nor do the retcons have to be bad if they are explained correctly.

But I accept the challenge, let's study if Oda really just uses retcons and writes on the fly. Let's take Wano as an example, since it's the last arc.

1. We have Ryuma. A character introduced even before One Piece began. It makes more than 1000 chapters. Not only that, but we are also related to the plot of Wano with Thiller Bark through Ryuma himself and Moria's confrontation with Kaido, he makes more than 600 chapters. Can you give me a similar example of JJK and KnY? Wait, it doesn't have 600 chapters, much less 1000 to link anything.
2. There are the Kokuto, which were introduced by Mihawk and Ryuma, more than 1000 and 600 chapters ago
3. We have Koshyro and Wado Ichimonji, also related to Wano more than 1000 chapters ago
4. There's Oden, the guy who wrote in the Golden Bell of Shandora and commander of the Shirohigue 2nd Division, a position that had been vacant long before Ace's union. That was more than 700 and 500 chapters ago respectively.
5. We have the AdCoC and the Ryuuou that were introduced by Sanhks and Rayleigh over 700 and 500 chapters ago.
6. This Tama, the girl who taught Ace to make hats, who was named in Marine Ford, more than 500 chapters ago.
7. Kaido is related to Punk Hazard, more than 300 chapters ago.
8. Then we have a lot of little things that are related 25-50-100 chapters.

This is something JJK and KnY can't even dream of. Oda is the God of relating things from previous chapters. Of course Oda doesn't have everything thought out from chapter 0, nor any mangaka, it's ridiculous to demand such a thing from them.

These messages show that you do not know what you are talking about or what you want. You criticize Oda for not having foresight, when he is the mangaka who masters this technique the most.

Well Oda did have the general framework of the story and many scattered ideas at the beginning of the story that he built on and connected as he goes and here’s my problem is that it doesn’t always pay off well.

Especially the Ryuma thing and his connections with Zoro that didn’t pay off at all, Wano pace has been all over the place and I blame Oda for not having things in place.

A good story is when you write the story the way you want it first and then start releasing them
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That makes no sense to me.

If the manga doesn't have bad pacing like One Piece but the amount of history of One Piece or even more there is no reason for not having a 250+ chapters manga.

I wanted to keep up with Hajime no Ippo which has more chapters than One Piece but watch some videos with spoilers and is very disappointing how after 1300 chapters we didn't see much of the things we could expect since all animation content ends.

Spoiler

Animation content ends about 400 chapters in manga. In those 900 chapters difference we only had one more World Tournament fight for Takamura. We didn't had the fight between Ippo and Miyata and also no development between Ippo and Kumi Mashiba love relantionship.

Seee that’s what I’m talking about

 

[Monkey D Theories]

This is something JJK and KnY can't even dream of. Oda is the God of relating things from previous chapters. Of course Oda doesn't have everything thought out from chapter 0, nor any mangaka, it's ridiculous to demand such a thing from them.

because those manga don't artificially extend the story by effectively inserting copious amounts of filler into every arc.

 

[Galahad]

Well Oda did have the general framework of the story and many scattered ideas at the beginning of the story that he built on and connected as he goes and here’s my problem is that it doesn’t always pay off well.

Before you said that JJK and KnY were better than One Piece because they enhanced things from previous chapters, now you say that's your problem with One Piece. What you say makes zero sense. You only complain that things are not how you want, neither more nor less.

They are toddler tantrums. Like most One Piece complaints in general.

Especially the Ryuma thing and his connections with Zoro that didn’t pay off at all, Wano pace has been all over the place and I blame Oda for not having things in place.

Where is the problem? If nothing has been said about it. Zoro's relationship with Ryuma has been mentioned in a vignette, my goodness.

A good story is when you write the story the way you want it first and then start releasing them

You have no idea how writing works, be it novels or manga. If you really think that JJK or KnY had it all planned, your problem is worse than I thought.

I truly believe that a manga shouldn’t be more than 250 chapters long

Again it is your opinion. Perfectly valid, but respect that of others. If you don't like manga with more than 250 chapters, then don't read One Piece, but don't criticize it for not adapting to your tastes.

That a manga has few chapters does not make it good. There's a lot of 40-50 episode shit. Not even having more than 1000 makes them bad. Normally it is more difficult to find works with so many chapters that would be bad because they would not last as long.
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because those manga don't artificially extend the story by effectively inserting copious amounts of filler into every arc.

In One Piece there is not so much padding, its world is simply too extensive. For better, because it is what makes the manga stand out and for worse, because it obviously makes it extend more than necessary. We can't have everything.

Naruto for example if you have a lot of padding. I understand the complaints. Bleach doesn't have that much filler, it just got boring.

Nor can we demand that relatively short manga have such a well-constructed world and as many characters as One Piece.

We have to be fair with things.

 

[SomnusUltima]

Read the manga

JJK literaly worst art among all manga, even i can draw better

 

[BillSlipton]

Jjk is shit. And I'm not even a huge one piece fan

 

[Galahad]

JJK literaly worst art among all manga, even i can draw better

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. I've tried to read it a couple of times but I can't get past chapter 5 because I can't with the drawing. I can't say if it's good or bad.

 

[Tai long]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. I've tried to read it a couple of times but I can't get past chapter 5 because I can't with the drawing. I can't say if it's good or bad.

It was messy to me but I actually enjoyed one punch man even if it had a worse art

 

[Mashiro Blue]

Nowadays 80% of anime is better than One Piece.

Too much running around and spending panels on senseless scenes and talk on fodder arc characters.

 

[kom5]

Hakari, Yuta, Megumi, Gojo, Geto and so on

Many characters who are amazing even the villains are unique and doesn't scream Wedding cake

 

[Galahad]

It was messy to me but I actually enjoyed one punch man even if it had a worse art

I read Murat's version. That is art. The point is that for example you won't see me complain about JJK because I don't like the art. That would be unfair.

Nowadays 80% of anime is better than One Piece.

Too much running around and spending panels on senseless scenes and talk on fodder arc characters.

This is also another unfair comparison. You can't compare One Piece anime with seasonal anime. In fact in Wano, I think One Piece is the best we can find.

But without a doubt it would be better if One Piece was an anime by seasons and animated 2-3 chapters of the manga for one of the anime.

 

[Nagasaki]

Nowadays 80% of anime is better than One Piece.

Too much running around and spending panels on senseless scenes and talk on fodder arc characters.

Lucid

 

[Kiiro]

Both are cool. JJK is cool since its battles are so gore.

 

[Mashiro Blue]

I read Murat's version. That is art. The point is that for example you won't see me complain about JJK because I don't like the art. That would be unfair.



This is also another unfair comparison. You can't compare One Piece anime with seasonal anime. In fact in Wano, I think One Piece is the best we can find.

But without a doubt it would be better if One Piece was an anime by seasons and animated 2-3 chapters of the manga for one of the anime.

I know what you mean and I can agree with that to an extent.

However on the other side of the spectrum there are a lot of LN/Manga adapted anime which eats through the volumes and miss a lot of content and unfortunately it receives a lot of criticism. Which is a pity but fair criticism nonetheless. And good anime that don't get another season because the premise is not as appealing as pirates/ninja.

 

[Shasha23]

Black Clover and entertaining shouldn't be in the same sentence together

You clearly didnt read Black Clover

 

[Finalbeta]

One Piece managed to make me miss Fairy Tail