Jujutsu Kiasen 233 SPOILERS

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Gege has Jogo as a high diff for Kenjaku cope about it
In the same databook where Gege says Kenjaku wont attempt to take Jogo or Mahito due to "difficulties", he also tells that Kenjaku will never ever try to get Toji or Gojo's body too.
Gojo because it is impossible and Toji is hard but also risky due to Heavenly Restriction.

Toji destroys Jogo even in his domain, like what happened to Dagon or what happened to Curse Naoya. Playful Cloud is enough, even easier if he had Soul Katana or ISOH.
 
In the same databook where Gege says Kenjaku wont attempt to take Jogo or Mahito due to "difficulties", he also tells that Kenjaku will never ever try to get Toji or Gojo's body too.
Gojo because it is impossible and Toji is hard but also risky due to Heavenly Restriction.

Toji destroys Jogo even in his domain, like what happened to Dagon or what happened to Curse Naoya. Playful Cloud is enough, even easier if he had Soul Katana or ISOH.
Difference is that Jogo has much faster reaction and combat speed than Dagon, and instead of a beach his domain is the inside of a volcano with MUCH higher AP.

He should be able to dodge Toji easily (based on him being relative to Naobito, which means he’s faster than all sorcerers other than Gojo) and just needs a few solid hits to win.

Toji can’t take 40% Sukuna who is equal to Jogo.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝕴𝖓 𝕿𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖂𝖔𝖗𝖑𝖉 𝕺𝖓𝖑𝖞 𝕴 𝖆𝖒 𝕶𝖎𝖓𝖌
Oh, didn't know about that quote

TIL
The quote was in the context of absorbing them for CSM. The question was whether Pseudo Geto can use CSM to control Hanami, Jogo or even Mahito. Gege then answers that it's possible in one on one fights, but it'd be difficult against Jogo and Mahito.

Kenjaku even wanted Jogo to grow stronger and then to absorb him, so clearly he wasn't worried he couldn't pull it off

Tho, Jogo is strong, he just had the bad luck of running into Gojo and Sukuna.




Regarding Toji, there's a very good argument to be made that he was simply retconned powerwise and even ability wise.

Kuchisake Onna's domain hit seemingly hits him
which it shouldn't be able to according to the latest revelations.

During the Zen'in massacre we're led to believe Maki is close to Toji or heck even equal stats wise, but then a year later IRL time Gege decides to say she's still a complete fodder to Toji and so on.


Going from someone even or at best slightly stronger/weaker than pre awakened Gojo, who is still super strong, to being stronger than special grade sorcerers and upper tier cursed spirits is a big jump, when you factor in abilities. Gojo without a domain is at a big disadvantage. Just compare him to current Yuta. Gojo had focused infinity and blue. Yuta has his tech, much more cursed energy, RCT, domain and so on.


Imo, Gege probably did not intend to make the gap between Gojo/Sukuna and the others as wide as it is now where they by themselves can solo the verse if the other is not involved, so he clearly retconned some things, like Toji's power, Gojo and Sukuna in comparison to all the others, and probably Gojo's power pre awakening as well. Narratively it should be higher, same as Toji then.
 
The quote was in the context of absorbing them for CSM. The question was whether Pseudo Geto can use CSM to control Hanami, Jogo or even Mahito. Gege then answers that it's possible in one on one fights, but it'd be difficult against Jogo and Mahito.

Kenjaku even wanted Jogo to grow stronger and then to absorb him, so clearly he wasn't worried he couldn't pull it off

Tho, Jogo is strong, he just had the bad luck of running into Gojo and Sukuna.




Regarding Toji, there's a very good argument to be made that he was simply retconned powerwise and even ability wise.

Kuchisake Onna's domain hit seemingly hits him
which it shouldn't be able to according to the latest revelations.

During the Zen'in massacre we're led to believe Maki is close to Toji or heck even equal stats wise, but then a year later IRL time Gege decides to say she's still a complete fodder to Toji and so on.


Going from someone even or at best slightly stronger/weaker than pre awakened Gojo, who is still super strong, to being stronger than special grade sorcerers and upper tier cursed spirits is a big jump, when you factor in abilities. Gojo without a domain is at a big disadvantage. Just compare him to current Yuta. Gojo had focused infinity and blue. Yuta has his tech, much more cursed energy, RCT, domain and so on.


Imo, Gege probably did not intend to make the gap between Gojo/Sukuna and the others as wide as it is now where they by themselves can solo the verse if the other is not involved, so he clearly retconned some things, like Toji's power, Gojo and Sukuna in comparison to all the others, and probably Gojo's power pre awakening as well. Narratively it should be higher, same as Toji then.
Retcon or not, pre-awakened Gojo not having RCT or domain expansion is a ridiculous nerf.

He probably loses to current Yuta, Yuuki, maybe even Jogo.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
The quote was in the context of absorbing them for CSM. The question was whether Pseudo Geto can use CSM to control Hanami, Jogo or even Mahito. Gege then answers that it's possible in one on one fights, but it'd be difficult against Jogo and Mahito.

Kenjaku even wanted Jogo to grow stronger and then to absorb him, so clearly he wasn't worried he couldn't pull it off

Tho, Jogo is strong, he just had the bad luck of running into Gojo and Sukuna.




Regarding Toji, there's a very good argument to be made that he was simply retconned powerwise and even ability wise.

Kuchisake Onna's domain hit seemingly hits him
which it shouldn't be able to according to the latest revelations.

During the Zen'in massacre we're led to believe Maki is close to Toji or heck even equal stats wise, but then a year later IRL time Gege decides to say she's still a complete fodder to Toji and so on.


Going from someone even or at best slightly stronger/weaker than pre awakened Gojo, who is still super strong, to being stronger than special grade sorcerers and upper tier cursed spirits is a big jump, when you factor in abilities. Gojo without a domain is at a big disadvantage. Just compare him to current Yuta. Gojo had focused infinity and blue. Yuta has his tech, much more cursed energy, RCT, domain and so on.


Imo, Gege probably did not intend to make the gap between Gojo/Sukuna and the others as wide as it is now where they by themselves can solo the verse if the other is not involved, so he clearly retconned some things, like Toji's power, Gojo and Sukuna in comparison to all the others, and probably Gojo's power pre awakening as well. Narratively it should be higher, same as Toji then.
I think this was just Toji being too cheesy and letting himself be caught before breaking it.

In the Dagon fight, he couldnt be recognized by Dagon's sure hit - it had to manually attack him with its shikigami, while he turned it into paste.

I think Gege always had Toji > Disaster Curses. The new stuff is just proving it and he basically gave Toji the necessary anti domain abilities to make it work.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Serious question.

If pre awakened Gojo gets caught in Jogo's domain expansion, what does he do?

Even if he remembers he has Falling Blossom Emotion that doesn't negate the damage.

And Gojo doesn't even have RCT so he cant heal
:shame:
Gojo with just Blue would easily beat the living shit out of Jogo who would canonically die to 5 Yuji BF & One Todo hit.

He would shred Jogo's arms with Blue before Jogo can even cast his Domain.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝕴𝖓 𝕿𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖂𝖔𝖗𝖑𝖉 𝕺𝖓𝖑𝖞 𝕴 𝖆𝖒 𝕶𝖎𝖓𝖌
I think this was just Toji being too cheesy and letting himself be caught before breaking it.
Nah just look at his face. He wasn't expecting it. He was clearly taken aback.

In the Dagon fight, he couldnt be recognized by Dagon's sure hit - it had to manually attack him with its shikigami, while he turned it into paste.
Dagon's sure hit was off cuz of Megumi's domain. He stated it a few times. That's why he had to manually send shikigami at them.

I think Gege always had Toji > Disaster Curses. The new stuff is just proving it and he basically gave Toji the necessary anti domain abilities to make it work.
It's possible that that was the narrative but it wasn't shown like that due to the abilities.
 
Toji is much faster than Jogo lol
Nope, Naobito is stated by the narrator to be the second fastest sorcerer after Gojo.

Which means Naobito is faster than Yuta, Yuki, etc.

Jogo is almost as fast as Naobito (according to Dagon) and has no problem tagging him.

Which means Jogo should have no problem with speed from anyone who isn't Sukuna or Gojo.

Toji only scales to three finger Sukuna's speed as per Megumi's words.
 
Nope, Naobito is stated by the narrator to be the second fastest sorcerer after Gojo.

Which means Naobito is faster than Yuta, Yuki, etc.

Jogo is almost as fast as Naobito (according to Dagon) and has no problem tagging him.

Which means Jogo should have no problem with speed from anyone who isn't Sukuna or Gojo.

Toji only scales to three finger Sukuna's speed as per Megumi's words.
Toji isn't a sorceror
 
Toji has better reactions than CURSE Naoya's speed let alone Naobito level snails like Jogo.

Toji would legit blitz and one shot Jogo with that Katana.
Blitzing requires movement/travel speed, Toji having high c/r speed does not mean he can blitz Jogo.

Frankly it should be impossible for anyone who isn’t Gojo or Sukuna to blitz Jogo.


Toji isn't a sorceror
But he only scales to three finger Sukuna in speed. In fact, Megumi literally says “he’s ALMOST as fast as Sukuna.”

You guys need to think of Jogo as 40% Sukuna. Cuz that’s what he is. His only antifeats are against the two god tiers that like @Sebastian Michaelis said have been upscaled which means Jogo has as well.
 
Blitzing requires combat/travel speed, Toji having high c/r speed does not mean he can blitz Jogo.

Frankly it should be impossible for anyone who isn’t Gojo or Sukuna to blitz Jogo.



But he only scales to three finger Sukuna in speed. In fact, Megumi literally says “he’s ALMOST as fast as Sukuna.”

You guys need to think of Jogo as 40% Sukuna. Cuz that’s what he is. His only antifeats are against the two god tiers that like @Sebastian Michaelis said have been upscaled which means Jogo has as well.
Jojo isn't worth 8 fingers, Kenjaku was just flattering him. Sukuna was negging Mahito with just 3 fingers
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Blitzing requires combat/travel speed, Toji having high c/r speed does not mean he can blitz Jogo.

Frankly it should be impossible for anyone who isn’t Gojo or Sukuna to blitz Jogo
Toji could react and move to the point where even Naoya as a Curse cannot do anything.

Jogo's getting his head/soul sliced off before he even knows it.
 
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