General & Others Kaido's "title" is the weakest

kurwa

kurwa

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I'm not gonna bother trying to prove that Kaido doesn't have a real title, because there is enough evidence about it already.
Instead I'm gonna pretend that his "title" is real.

Kaido (World's Strongest Creature) himself puts Whitebeard (World's Strongest Man) above himself:

He needed to backstab Whitebeard who fought Navy, in order to eliminate Whitebeard

Big Mom as well puts Whitebeard above Kaido as well


So if they both value Whitebeard above Kaido, then that means Strongest Man title > Strongest Creature "title". Meaning that creature "title" has nothing to do with humans. Otherwise Whitebeard would've been called the World's Strongest Creature and not Man.

What does "Creature" mean? Simple- animal.
Kaido is all about animals:
  • His devil fruit is animal
  • His whole crew is based on animals
  • His smile products are based on animals
  • His crew is called Beast pirates
  • His epithet is literally called "King of the Beasts"


That's right, Kaido's rival for his "title" are animals. Kaido is just the strongest animal. This is why "man > creature (animal)".
It's the most pointless "title" there is. It's on the same level as Big Mom being the world's strongest hag. There is basically no competition for that "title"

You can see just from the way they died on whose title is the superior:
 
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Herrera95

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Good catch. They are not dead though. And Kaido competition is Zunesha who one shotted Jack. I don't think Kaido could one shot Jack.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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It's a limited title cause the people labeling like that were mostly unaware of everyone's potential in the verse and also scared of him
 
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Cruxroux

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Ohk this is just a opinion so don't get offended.

We have literally nothing to compare whitebeard and Kaido.

they both poses adcoc - check
they have superior forms of haki - check
they both are from rocks crew who gather strong people only.
and during rogers time kaido was kid himself or didn't make much of his name and experimented upon by marines.
it's obvious he looks upto Whitebeard, Rogers and Xebec.

and for the strongest yea that's true too.

Currently only person worth of being called the strongest is kaido.

Oda himself said if it's a 1v1 bet on kaido. Raid never made luffy vs kaido a 1v1.

Whitebeard was considered the strongest man due to his fruit the strongest paramacia capable to destroying the world. (just a speculation)
because whitebeard already got his title strongest when rogers was at peak. and kaido claims rogers to be at the top of sea. this is contradictory.

Kaido current bounty was 4.6B
Rogers bounty was 5.5 B
ANd whitebeard bounty was 5 B.

Reason being roger learnt about the void century and became the pirate king. hence a 5.6 B bounty.
whitebeard didn't became the PK but took the reigns. hence 5 B bounty
and kaido who is yet to become PK or even take the reigns has 4.6 B.

it understandable.

What you showed was a marine speculation was kaido taking the chance to beat whitebeard. but his real aim was to get a glorifying death and he saw marineford as an oppurtunity to fight the strongest in the sea.

bigmam is controversial. and putting whitebeard aside from kaido is because of generation gap. the previous gen. not the current generation.

Really no one has the pure facts to determine who is stronger wb or kaido.

it's speculation for us at this point of time. and chances of speculation being correct and wrong is 50-50.

also roger power level is controversial too. No one ever regarded him as the strongest. agreed he was the pirate king because WB never was interested in becoming one. kaido speccualtion of top of the sea was above whitebeard but in reality whitebeard never was in that race. and we never got a perfect answer out of whitebeard and rogers. it was always a draw, same with garp they both nearly killed each other means both almost at same power level.

then why did kaido said rogers at the top of sea not garp when he at the same level as rogers. it purely because he took the title. same with golden lion shiki he was interested in taking over the world not being a pirate king.

people wanted to be pirate king rogers , linlin and luffy. neither shanks or kaido showed interest in being pk. agreed kaido did form an alliance but it was for a lot of purposes. kaido dream was just to die and only one who can defeat him was joyboy who will come to wano in 20 years. somebody probably told him that and hence he made wano his territory. and waited for joyboy. but after 20 years when he didn't as kaido never speculated luffy to be joyboy after first encounter. which 20 years after time and exact time when luffy came to wano. he changed his plan and started to searching for one piece as he thought he would find him along the way.

so there are a lot of plot holes. we really can't who's the strongest at this point.
 
Chiji_

Chiji_

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Iirc there was a scene in punk hazard where his title of wsc was brought up and someone was like “does that mean he isn’t human?” Kinda insinuating humans are treated separately from creatures.
 
Golden Garp

Golden Garp

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>"Kaido's statement only includes animals and beasts"

Yet when we're introduced to the title the panel makes reference to all living things

AMONG ALL LIVING THINGS
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>When asked about Mothers a human being he references kaido


In Japanese Kaido's title isn't as ambiguous Saikyo no Seibutsu. We have someone in a different anime with the same title as Kaido who's the strongest in his verse. Yujiro Hanma is called chijou Saikyo no Seibutsu and is undisputed number 1. I'm no Kaido fan but there really isn't anything outside of headcanon that suggests it only refers to animals.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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Sometimes I think that these topics are exclusively made to reach me. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

But I remember Skull when he went to talk about Kaidou and WB stated that Kaidou is the strongest in single combat.

I also remember that Kaidou became the representation of the force 10 years after the Rocks incident.

And I also remember that Kaidou himself stated that only Joyboy could beat him in the future, kaidou discarded Wb with this pearl, including him with the other incapables.

And King, referred to Kaidou not only 1 time being stronger than Wb but supported that statement 2 times.

Oh, and that Kaidou ranked WB as only being able to fight him, didn't rank him as superior.

Big Mom's statement came from a context where military might was the point. ;)

WB's team was considered the strongest or impregnable, Kaidou's was not, so it makes sense to have this difference, furthermore, Big Mom considers Kaidou a "brother", and that he "owes her his life", so it makes sense for her to consider WB a bigger rival than Kaidou not only because Wb has a better crew and more military power than Kaidou but also as she thinks she could control Kaidou.

According to Oden, who was a member of the WB team and who returned invincible and triumphant, if he didn't take down Kaidou, no one in the world would be able to (including WB).
 
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Blahmigooo

Blahmigooo

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Low tier bait thread
Not worth any arguments
At least ppl knows this thread is targeted against among some Kaido fans.
I hope this also doesn't escalated quickly to IRL personal attack at this pace.
 
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