Character Discussion Katakuri is more a Marco/King or a Yamato/Ace ?

What is Katakuri ?


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#43
That's WHY Marco is the biggest loser

He's put in places /positions that wasn't meant for him
Roles too big to fill
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King tried leading...it ended up with the crew getting beaten badly

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Honestly i feel bad calling marco a loser lol. Like yeah man loses alot but its deadass just depressing why and how it happens. He never asked to be put in those positions he just tried his best and keeps getting punished for it
:josad:

I got no issue calling king and the rest of them losers tho because thats what they are. King is a wanna be Marco and not even good enough to be that
Wbp >>> beast pirate counterpart any second, minute, or day of the week
:kayneshrug::phoenixmarco::kayneshrug:
 
#44
I personally don’t think Akainu got stronger from his fight with Kuzan.

And the biggest thing stopping kata from getting stronger is simply plot. Like he gets stronger and then what? He’s not important enough to join the fleet and his crew still hates luffy. He goes off and fights Blackbeard pirates just to get hype tooled again? Seems almost worse.
If Rayleigh said extreme diff fights help you get stronger and Akainu fought 10 days straight and only won by a whisker, I'm going to listen to Rayleigh and not your personal feelings on this matter.
 
#46
Marco is probably the most underwhelming right hand man of the yonkou, guy is built like a support character in a video game and that's his ceiling, to provide ad-hoc utility where its needed, whether that's to block an attack, provide temporary comfort for people turning into ice demons, kicking Zoro onto the roof with his aerial abilities. Shanks wants him so badly on his crew, probably needs eyes in the sir or some shit lool.

Very likeable character though and can hold his own in a fight, showcased by fending off two YC at once but he just doesn't quite fit the leader type for me. A whole crew got disbanded after he tr

If Rayleigh said extreme diff fights help you get stronger and Akainu fought 10 days straight and only won by a whisker, I'm going to listen to Rayleigh and not your personal feelings on this matter.
Rayleigh didn’t say that, he said haki blooms in battle. But as no other individual has ever shown a haki bloom except luffy, why assume they do?

Jack fought for 5 days against the minks, he didn’t grow any stronger.
 
#47
Loser commanding bunch of losers tbh.
A crew is only good as their leader. Hacchi was a loser under Arlong but he's now a winner.

Fat Mom has grown incompetent
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Rayleigh didn’t say that, he said haki blooms in battle. But as no other individual has ever shown a haki bloom except luffy, why assume they do?

Jack fought for 5 days against the minks, he didn’t grow any stronger.
Jack didn't ultimately win, he resorted to foul play (poison gas) he was at his limit and would have lost probably.

Haki seems to be the area that needs attention if you want to go up rungs in power levels so haki growth would indicate growth in power no?
 
#48
Yeah Marco had it rough, but it’s what makes him exceptional, to stand today even after all that shit. The phoenix never dies. Perfect DF for him.

Marco the coolest
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Impossible role to fill for any YC1. Covered mouth Kata would have been stomped all the same.
Nope

KATAKURI Wouldhf quit piracy or stop caring to protect his family

Marco didn't even move to try help WBP allies (who mostly are former wb menbers that only went away to create their own crews and came under WB)

The guy has tough luck
He finally realised it in Wano that he's not fit to fight Yonko or take them down. That's not his role
 
#49
A crew is only good as their leader. Hacchi was a loser under Arlong but he's now a winner.

Fat Mom has grown incompetent
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Jack didn't ultimately win, he resorted to foul play (poison gas) he was at his limit and would have lost probably.

Haki seems to be the area that needs attention if you want to go up rungs in power levels so haki growth would indicate growth in power no?
None of this explains why Jack Neko or inu didn’t get haki boosts despite having a long fight for many days?
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#50
You finally waking up

A guy Linlin can't stand calling shots cause of she knows he's the true pillar of the crew
That's why she pulls out "mother-son" argument, she never talked bad about Katakuri's strength
Linlin did what Perospero does : Using Age/biological hierarchy to lead.

Katakuri is meant to directly and indirectly be the successor
BM didn't state it, but BMP did and Oda gave him : CoC
While Kaido & WB did wish for Ace & Yamato to lead
Spitting right here, made me realize Big Mom stunted his growth out of fear 🤯
 
#51
Honestly i feel bad calling marco a loser lol. Like yeah man loses alot but its deadass just depressing why and how it happens. He never asked to be put in those positions he just tried his best and keeps getting punished for it
:josad:

I got no issue calling king and the rest of them losers tho because thats what they are. King is a wanna be Marco and not even good enough to be that
Wbp >>> beast pirate counterpart any second, minute, or day of the week
:kayneshrug::phoenixmarco::kayneshrug:
Oda should have made King look original
Have no bird theme, no gimpy leather suits etc...

Beast pirates are weakest OG yonko crew while kaido is the storages OG Yonko (only primebeard is better)
Shanks has the weakest fleet while having most balanced crew (strongest YC trio)
BM has 2nd or strongest crew while being weaker than Kaido.
Sickbeard was the weakest Yonko while having most powerful crew & lots of allies.

Beast pirates are just sad,..trasg
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Spitting right here, made me realize Big Mom stunted his growth out of fear 🤯
Linlin could have mocked Katakuri's strength like she does to Jinbei or SNs
She pulled out "I'm your mother.." but katakuri still told him "No mama, ..." explaining what's happening and she never spoke again badly lol

There's a reason why she listens more to Perospero or other kids,
She knows they aren't a threat to her reign as sole pillar.

Why would a woman who respects strength, rather listens to her first child than Katakuri ?
She even defended Pero when he was lying.
:josad:Also Katakuri doesn't even visit the main island in years,
It seems like he does what he wants and stays away.

That's why there's no place where BM ordered Katakuri!
We've seen her command Cracker to fight Luffy, Smoothie, and others yet we didn't see her order Katakuri to do something for her.
 
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#53
It's weird people are ok with characters like doflamingo or jinbe growing stronger but the idea of katakuri getting stronger makes them upset

People even place pre timeskip villains like crocodile comparable to marco/king or say lucci/kaku grew more during the timeskip than luffy/zoro but no katakuri can't get stronger because he isnt young
:risicheck:

Also side note whole cake katakuri and dressrosa doflamingo > current lucci and crocodile
 
#54
Here a thread about Katakuri.

We have the 3 Yonko crews we have seen for now :

WBP, BMP and BP

Each had a top commander with Marco King and Kata. All of them were the clear strongest outside of the captain.

Yet Marco and King didn’t have what needed to take the lead or to replace one day the captain or to go higher than their rank.

Those special members inside WBP and BP crew were Ace and Yamato. Both with enough potential to reach far higher than high tier status.

What is Kata place in all of this ? Is he a Marco/King or more of a Ace/Yamato ?

Kata is a special case : during BM rule he was indeed « only » a Marco/King type of member. A leader, the strongest, the guy people looked up to but nothing above that. BM never considered Kata as someone who will replace her or someone of higher rank. She had no expectations for him.

Even strength wise and power wise, Kata was around King/Marco and also has a gimmick FS (Lunarian and regen for the other two)

BUT :

Kata is not only that. He has a special thing and even two :

- he has CoC : yeah as opposed to Marco/King, Kata has CoC. It is definitely a special trait and something that tells us he has potential. Unreached for now, but still potential, potential to go higher than what he was.

And it’s no surprise that Ace and Yamato were the only ones in their crew with CoC outside their captains.

And in the BMP there were no special cases like Ace Yamato, the only one is Kata.

- his captain is no more : Kata captain is « dead ». BM is gone or at least not a threat / capable anymore. Kata is the one there to take the lead. His bros and sis can discuss about it but it’s no mistake that in the future Kata will lead the BMP and reach the captain status or even less formal of the leader status.

For me Kata was in a journey from Marco/Kata to Ace/Yamato and it’s his fight with Luffy that freed him from his shackles and allowed him to tap in his real potential. I think the man will def be stronger next time we will see him.

So for me Kata is both a Marco/King and a Ace/Yamato.

What do you think about that ? How do you view Kata place ?

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I really don't know what this means
But Katakuri is a low diff fight for King
King categorically low/mid diffed Marco
King neg diffs Ace
King high diffs Yamato
 
#55
I personally don’t think Akainu got stronger from his fight with Kuzan.
The fight of extreme difficulty will usually results in the winner grow from the battle. It's classic Shounen trope.

Luffy got stronger after fighting Lucci, Zoro got stronger after fighting Mr. 1, etc.

And Rayleigh's statement of Haki blooms in battle makes me think that Akainu could have unlocked Adv CoC against Kuzan and that's how he won.
And the biggest thing stopping kata from getting stronger is simply plot. Like he gets stronger and then what? He’s not important enough to join the fleet and his crew still hates luffy. He goes off and fights Blackbeard pirates just to get hype tooled again? Seems almost worse.
The power inflation will makes Katakuri grow stronger.

Any CoC users has the potential to unlock Adv CoC. I think Katakuri will fall in this category.

Sure BMP still hates Luffy for the things he did to Big Mom but I'm pretty sure Kata also hates Big Mom. Hence the statement of, "Would you take down Big Mom?" at the end of Luffy vs Katakuri fight.

BMP remnants with Katakuri being the captain will try to save Pudding, I know he might get hypetooled but still.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#57
Linlin could have mocked Katakuri's strength like she does to Jinbei or SNs
She pulled out "I'm your mother.." but katakuri still told him "No mama, ..." explaining what's happening and she never spoke again badly lol

There's a reason why she listens more to Perospero or other kids,
She knows they aren't a threat to her reign as sole pillar.

Why would a woman who respects strength, rather listens to her first child than Katakuri ?
She even defended Pero when he was lying.
:josad:Also Katakuri doesn't even visit the main island in years,
It seems like he does what he wants and stays away.

That's why there's no place where BM ordered Katakuri!
We've seen her command Cracker to fight Luffy, Smoothie, and others yet we didn't see her order Katakuri to do something for her.
:steef:

Can't believe I didn't pick up on this , Goatakuri for a reason.
 
#59
It's weird people are ok with characters like doflamingo or jinbe growing stronger but the idea of katakuri getting stronger makes them upset

People even place pre timeskip villains like crocodile comparable to marco/king or say lucci/kaku grew more during the timeskip than luffy/zoro but no katakuri can't get stronger because he isnt young
:risicheck:

Also side note whole cake katakuri and dressrosa doflamingo > current lucci and crocodile
Especially when Crocodile is like 47 lol
Prime Crocodile can grow stronger but prime Katakuri ( a conqueror ) can't gain a PU lol
 
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