Questions & Mysteries Katakuri was made to be the anti-Luffy not the anti-Marco or anti-King. Stop comparing them.

[sanjikun]

Katakuri, King and Marco on the same level. Boom.

They are about as equal to each other as Beckman is to them.

It's to put Mingo above Katakuri and at YC1.

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously? I am saying Katakuri is the STRONGEST Yonko Commander, because he was made to counter Luffy, not counter King or Marco.

I think the point @sanjikun is trying to make is that Oda designed Katakuri to completely counter Luffy in every way imaginable thus making the fight extremely difficult for him. So Zoro & Sanji might not necessarily have to go through the same ordeals Luffy went through to beat Katakuri in order to beat King and Queen if they are not specifically designed to counter them.

In other words, folks should not take feats at face value but also consider the matchups as well?

@sanjikun please correct me if I’m wrong mate.

Part of it. Everything about Katakuri was made for him to be just within reach for Luffy to surpass him. From his power level to his fighting style.

Everybody knows Katakuri is linked to Luffy not Marco or Zoro

Who is everybody? Because it seems a great number don't.

It's why I think the "War" is with the Beast Pirates, because of their Zoan type powers, the actually match ups of powers won't matter as much in regards to advantages or disadvantages. And the Samurai don't seem to have crazy powers so the fights are seemingly going to be straight forward fights.

Yep. Ennies Lobby was the last fair 1 v. 1s we ever got, and they were all Zooans.

 

[KiriNigiri]

The Yonko crew are constructed in a way where they are comparable to eachother. It doesn't directly translate to each counterpart being exactly a 1-1 equal. Even down to how the fights go wouldn't be anywhere near the same. Luffy would not be presented with the same challenges vs Marco that he was with Kata, who not only had better versions of many of Luffy's moves, but excellent ranged options like Flowing Mochi and Power Mochi which trapped Luffy during their fight.

Being Zoans, King and Queen would not have anywhere near the same level of trickiness.

 

[sanjikun]

The Yonko crew are constructed in a way where they are comparable to eachother. It doesn't directly translate to each counterpart being exactly a 1-1 equal. Even down to how the fights go wouldn't be anywhere near the same. Luffy would not be presented with the same challenges vs Marco that he was with Kata, who not only had better versions of many of Luffy's moves, but excellent ranged options like Flowing Mochi and Power Mochi which trapped Luffy during their fight.

Being Zoans, King and Queen would not have anywhere near the same level of trickiness.

Yes. The crews as a WHOLE. Not every individual. Oda made it clear 2 chapters ago that Shanks had the most high bounty dudes/balanced crew. Beckman has been gassed as Shanks' equal in the data. So while you can compare their crews, as you said it's not a 1-1 equal.

A YC1 just has to be between a YC2 and the Yonko. The gap between Smoothie and Big Mom is massive. He can place Katakuri almost anywhere in that gap. It doesn't have to be 100% on par with Marco and King, and it clearly isn't.

 

[Finalbeta]

There's only one anti Luffy and that's Teach. Rest is fandom bs.

 

[trav]

Katakuri was meant as a mirror match. brawler with similar fighting style.
he was seemingly better at everything and Luffy had to get past that.

but in the end it was Katakuris own retardation that made him lose so Luffy did not get past anything really.
conclusion. Katakuri was meant as pointless panel filler and power up justification tool.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

They are about as equal to each other as Beckman is to them.



What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously? I am saying Katakuri is the STRONGEST Yonko Commander, because he was made to counter Luffy, not counter King or Marco.



Part of it. Everything about Katakuri was made for him to be just within reach for Luffy to surpass him. From his power level to his fighting style.



Who is everybody? Because it seems a great number don't.



Yep. Ennies Lobby was the last fair 1 v. 1s we ever got, and they were all Zooans.

Coz they want King/Marco or X to be privileged and given higher pedestal or equal ground as Kata who is Luffy benchmark.

Which wont make sense story wise
Benn is separated from the rest since he is VC of Shanks.
Kata is separated from the rest of commanders for being luffy counter and also having two rare haki abilities : FS and COc

But well... lemme just stay quiet before they come slander me

 

[OmegaPsyche]

True.

 

[Lampyris]

I think I understand, but here is my interpretation:

Oda designed Cracker and Katakuri to have very favorable match ups against Luffy. Luffy could only fight for a short period of time in Gear 4th, but Cracker and Katakuri both had convenient gimmick abilities that could stall Gear 4th all day long, forcing him back to his base form. They straight up counter Gear 4th. Well, as long as Luffy chose not to reveal Snakeman against Cracker.

Now look at Smoothie. She can't warp her body efficiently to dodge Luffy, and she certainly lacks Future Sight. She can't produce a thousand tough biscuit clones to take Gear 4's punches all day. She has no way to stall out Gear 4th's limited time. Smoothie would have to actually deal with Gear 4th's incredible speed and power, power that blew away Katakuri defending with two block mochi arms. In all likely hood, Luffy would be the one with the favorable match up and defeat Smoothie with far less difficulty than Cracker or Katakuri.

Does this mean Smoothie is the weakest Sweet Commander? Not necessarily. She just suffers from an even or bad match up against Luffy since she was not designed to counter him. In this sense, King, Queen and Jack could still be the Sweet Commander equivalents but none of them will fight Zoro and Sanji for 12 hours because their abilities are not specifically designed to be a hard counter that Zoro and Sanji must overcome. Zoans emphasize toughness and strength, that's not an ability that prevents Zoro from using his swords or Sanji from using his kicks, most likely these match ups will be even and therefore a much easier difficulty than Luffy against Katakuri. They could still be extreme diff fights, but 12+ hrs? Zoro and Sanji running away? Their opponents stabbing themselves? Not happening.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Already had expectations that if King vs Zoro and Queen vs Sanji happens it wouldnt be 12 hours long.

If only Oda specified more when he said Katakuri was undefeated because surely the big mom crew fought vs other yonkou crews in the past with Kata at the front line.

 

[Finalbeta]

Already had expectations that if King vs Zoro and Queen vs Sanji happens it wouldnt be 12 hours long.

If only Oda specified more when he said Katakuri was undefeated because surely the big mom crew fought vs other yonkou crews in the past with Kata at the front line.

Zoro vs King will be two minutes long assuming it's post training

 

[Shanks Joestar]

Yes at the end of the day "yc1 lvl" Is bullshit.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yes at the end of the day "yc1 lvl" Is bullshit.

Beckman >>>>>>>> Latakuri

 

[sanjikun]

Yes at the end of the day "yc1 lvl" Is bullshit.

100%. And the reason is "YC1" is anywhere between a "YC2" and a Yonko.

Do people realize how big the gap between someone like Smoothie and Big Mom or Lucky Roo and Shanks is? Oda can place "YC1s" anywhere in that gap.

 

[Kejon]

Yes Katakuri is a better Luffy. He should be the MC from now on.