General & Others King and Queen closest bounty between YC's of the same crew

Hiragaro · Sep 4, 2021

Re-read WCI then and compare it to how King is portrayed compared to Katakuri. Katakuri was the perfect guy, with a perfect winning streak, CoC, Future sight and strong CoA, was confirmed as the strongest SC, was hyped separatly multiple times by other characters etc. Oda made clear to seperate him from the other SC's.

Nothing highlighted King from Queen so far. He doesn't show any superiority above Queen, he is always put next to Queen and if he gets hyped it's in the same sentence with Queen, he doesn't seem to have CoC, haven't showed any adv haki so far.
Kings portrayal is nothing like Katakuri's.

If Oda wanted to separate King and Queen, he wouldn't place them everytime next to each other and he would have given Queen a lower bounty, but he didn't and put Queen in the same pot as Marco and King.

Screws Loose242 · Sep 4, 2021

m0nst3Rx said:

King 1,390,000,000B
Queen 1,320,000,000B

Katakuri 1,057,000,000B
Smoothie 932,000,000B

Queen/Smoothie Also close to YC1 gaps in their Crew

Queen is a fucking fodder who got KO by bigmom 2 hits. then King Lol diffed RS sanji that par with queen

gap is fucking massive take it as you like
:cheers:

Monkey D. Luffy · Sep 4, 2021

Hiragaro said:

Katakuri's hype seems individualized from King's for the same reason the Sweet Generals' hype seems more unique from the Lead Performers; the Sweet Generals were Luffy's obstacles not the Lead Performers. The moment Luffy beat Katakuri, Yonkou heavy hitters were done being major threats to the protagonist, and now, it's Zoro and Sanji's turn to overcome them.

King is the highest valued card, has the highest bounty, mirrors Marco in scenes that are direct parallels to each other (their captain being visited by another Yonkou about a certain pirate and kicking Queen Mama Chanter).

Oda-would-haves aren't real arguments. I could say "if Luffy was destined to be Pirate King, Oda would've given him nosehair," and it'd hold the same weight as your point. It's nothing but confirmation bias. Oda grouping King and Queen together doesn't change King's blatant portrayal above Queen. What's next? Nami equals Zoro because Mr. 1 and Ms. Doublefinger were grouped together?

Screws Loose242 · Sep 4, 2021

So far feat wise queen us better than king feat wise for now but I still do have king over him just slightly & so far your right oda really was consistent with both of them bounty wise but queen got more focus/development while King was :josad:

but yeah queen is real close to kingun bounty & the first no less

JoNdule · Sep 4, 2021

Zoro D Goat said:

Marco and jozu were literally the first yonko commanders duo ever portrayed
They are the king and queen of WBP

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Monkey D. Luffy said:

Which portrayal
Find me that portrayal which separates King from Queen
They're in the same bounty range 1.3
They both have ancient fruits
No awakening or coc or advanced haki so far
Always grouped together

So what exactly?

Screws Loose242 · Sep 4, 2021

But I wonder if this close bounty is foreshadowing for zoro & sanji :choppawhat:

Warchief Sanji D Goat · Sep 4, 2021

Peroroncino said:

What happened to 1.4 bil+? :myman:

What happened to Fifth Yonko King with 1.5 bil+? :myman:

Monkey D. Luffy · Sep 4, 2021

Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:

Highest value card. Highest bounty. Mirrors Marco in paralleling scenes.

Finalbeta · Sep 4, 2021

Blother said:

Well in the least it shows that King is not someone that the government is treating slightly xd

Abysmal · Sep 4, 2021

6 pages for this weak ass bait thread ? VC confirmed King to be stronger than Queen so I don't even know the point of this topic.

Hiragaro · Sep 4, 2021

Monkey D. Luffy said:

There are card games where the Queen card is the best card, King and Queen have the smallest bounty difference between YC's so far - Sanji have a higher bounty than Zoro, don't see you using it against Zoro. How is King and Marco mirroring each other? Because they have flying DF's and kicked a ship? WOW! That really is putting him above Queen, because they kicked a ship. Queen actualy cracked BM's head, nor King nor Marco did anything comparable. Queen has literaly better feats than King, yet somehow King is on another level lmao.

Monkey D. Luffy said:

WOW their captain being visited by another Yonkou lmao - so that put Kings portrayal above others like Marco? What? What kinda BS argument is that?

Monkey D. Luffy said:

Ehm they are? If the headcanon made up ranks that you people create would be a real thing, Oda would have showed it via a bigger bounty difference. Katakuri had a bigger Bounty difference than Smoothy had to Cracker. While King is only 70mil. above Queen - Queen is above Jack by 320mil. The difference is almost 5 times than that of King and Queen's bounty. If we wanted to portrayal King as those so called "YC1's" we would have made Queens bounty closer to Jacks and further away from Kings. The fact that he didn't do that and put Queen in the same hundred as Marco and King already destroyes your wanna be Katakuri portrayal of King.

Monkey D. Luffy said:

Lmao what? No it doesn't.
First, Luffy is destined to be the PK since it's his show.
Second, Luffy looks like young Roger, has the same dream as him, said the exact things as him, has the same abilities as him, meets the same people as him, wears the same head as him etc.
Your nosehair argument - which is a visual thing - is completely stupid.

We are talking about portrayals of 3 characters of 3 different crews. You guys are acting there are rules for the "YC1" being above everybody the same way Marco and Katakuri were - there are clear things that Oda did with Katakuri and Marco, which he doesn't do with King.

Monkey D. Luffy said:

What blatant portrayal? Lmao!
All you said was "both their captains got visited by another Yonkou and they kicked a ship" LOL
The first has nothing even to do with their crewmates.
Oh btw. Marco and King were asked to join the other Yonkou's crew, funny enough tho - Marco was asked because of his strength, while King was asked because of his race - equal portrayal lmao

Again a brainless comparasion, you really need to work on that.
Every barocue agent made up a team between a man and a woman. That are the ones they work with. Miss Doublefinger was neither as strong as Mr.1 nor portrait as important as him. Robin worked with Crocodile, is she as strong as Crocodile? It's like saying King is as strong as Kaidou because he works for him.

The ranking was Mr.1, Mr.2, Mr.3 etc. the woman were just supporting them and were not included in that ranking.

Was Katakuri ever put next to another YC? Was he ever hyped up with another SC?
No, he was always hyped up by himself alone, King is not.
He is always put beside Queen, hyped up by other character alongside Queen.
So what portrays him blatantly above Queen? Featwise it's Queen > King. Portrayal wise it's King = Queen.

Kuro Ashi · Sep 4, 2021

Blother said:

The whole 1,3 to 1,4 bil bounty range is a feat. We only have three characters in that range for a reason.

Heck, over 1 billion in itself is a feat as well, and has been consistently used for hype since WCI.

The only characters to bump past that are Katakuri, Queen, Marco, King, Luffy and the Yonko.

Marco also makes direct comments on King and Queen's strength in relation to their bounty while he is fighting them to validate it.

The only way one should start to downplay either King or Queen is for agenda purposes. King is clearly the stronger of the two, but both are absolute monsters and at the top of the food chain when you exclude full on Top Tiers.

Monkey D. Luffy · Sep 4, 2021

Hiragaro said:

Irrelevant. King is still the higher value card. Oda is clearly going by the "Jack < Queen < King" order to denote strength.

Doesn't change that King has a significantly higher bounty than Queen.

Because it's a one-arc gag that will change back when they get new bounties. It's no different from Usopp's bounty being previously higher than Sanji's.

You're going off course. The comparison isn't about feats but having the same plot function: keeping the Big Mom Pirates out of Wano for a certain amount of time.

You'd have to be delusional to deny the clear parallels between both scenes just so that Sanji and Zoro can be Luffy's Rayleigh together.

So it's headcanon to say Cracker and Queen are stronger than Snack and Jack respectively? Again, Oda-would-haves aren't real arguments, they're just confirmation bias. If bounty gaps mattered, Oda wouldn't put Cracker, Katakuri, Queen, and King in the same bracket. All of them are Supernova-spanking machines who trashed WCI base Luffy but get trounced by Gear 4 unless they have a proper defense. (Even post-surgery Doflamingo had this portrayal.)

You're right, it is stupid. That's why I compared it to your Oda-would-haves to speak to you in a language you understand on why it's stupid.

If there are no clear portrayals for King, why is he the higher value card? Why does he have the higher bounty? Why did Oda obscure his bounty?

And all of those are valid arguments unless you can provide real counter arguments. No, going "whoopee doo" followed by nothing but non-sequitur tangents isn't a real argument.

Oh, so you do acknowledge the parallel. Doesn't change that King mirrors Marco in that scene and is portrayed as Kaido's strongest as I've shown, which you have yet to properly debunk.

Thanks for showing me that being side-by-side has nothing to do with being equals.

Moot point since it still doesn't change that King is Kaido's strongest Disaster.

He was introduced with Queen to show Kaido has two more Disasters who are stronger than Jack. He's put side-by-side with Queen to make them foils to Zoro and Sanji.

Parallels to Marco. Higher bounty that got obscured. Highest value card. To say otherwise is ignoring the manga.

I could say Morgan > Ryokugyu featwise, but we know that's bullshit because feats mean fuckall when Oda's blatantly obscured one character's fighting potential and gave them better portrayal.

JoNdule · Sep 4, 2021

Monkey D. Luffy said:

That's not it since Queen can also be higher value
Mirroring Marco didn't stop Oda from Grouping him with Queen

You guys just can't accept it all 3 are on the same level
Wanna create some fake tier gap between them

What truly separate kata from Smoothie is :
CoC, fs ,
Awakening
Legendary record
Bounty range : 1b while Smoothie isn't in the 1B

Not just "he's older or he's YC1"

HA001 · Sep 4, 2021

Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:

That's not it since Queen can also be higher value
Mirroring Marco didn't stop Oda from Grouping him with Queen

You guys just can't accept it all 3 are on the same level
Wanna create some fake tier gap between them

What truly separate kata from Smoothie is :
CoC, fs ,
Awakening
Legendary record
Bounty range : 1b while Smoothie isn't in the 1B

Not just "he's older or he's YC1"

Katas barely above Jack in bounty he's ass

Monkey D. Luffy · Sep 4, 2021

Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:

That's irrelevant. Oda is going by the format 99.99% of the human population is familiar with and that is Jack < Queen < King. King's highr bounty made that evident.

All Yonkou Commanders are in the same league (Ben MIGHT be an exception) with King, Katakuri, and Marco are at the top of it.

Finalbeta · Sep 4, 2021

Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:

Bounty is probably not that relevant but I concur with the other characteristics.

Marco · Aug 26, 2022

Now Zoro and Jinbei has even less bounty gap but we know Zoro negs 10 Jinbei's the same way King negs 10 Queens

The White Crane · Aug 26, 2022

Kuro Ashi said:

With King confirmed at 1,39 and Queen known to be at 1,32 this is now officially the smallest gap we've had between YC's of the same crew.

No, this is not only comparing the top two of any crew, i'm including here gaps between YC2 and YC3 as well as YC3 and YC4's.

This was expected since King's and Queen's introduction when Oda goes out of his way to position them on an entirely different level of portrayal in contrast to Jack.

This also goes to show that the "YC1, YC2, YC3, YC4" is often misused by the community to discuss expected strength gaps between characters, with them basically using the dynamic of Big Mom's crew to model their expectations.

The Beast Pirates clearly have an entirely different dynamic, which was showcased through out the manga with how King and Queen have been positioned and used alongside eachother, and is also further supported by the reveal of King's bounty.

For the BM Pirates, the significant bounty gap is between Katakuri and Smoothie, and it's almost 2x higher than the gap separating Smoothie and Cracker. Oda makes it clear through Katakuri's portrayal that he's on another level than the other two.

For the Beast Pirates, the incredibly significant bounty gap is between Queen and Jack, and it's almost a whole 5x higher than the gap separating King and Queen. Oda makes it clear through King and Queen's portrayal that they are on another level than Jack

As of now, the highest YC bounties in the manga range between 1,3 and 1,4 bil, and belong to Marco, King and Queen.

Put some respect on my boy Queen's name for hanging with the best of them :queenhear:

And ditch the BM's crew dynamic as a rule that applies to every other crew. It clearly does not :wellwell:

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