Break Week King and Queens got rushed bad

#21
I'm not even upset about CoC. Awakening should've been a thing. Either a new form or a unique power. That'd serve to hype up Kaido who's fight would be almost immediately next too.

What bugs me the most is how Queen didn't have any type of virus, bacteria or pathogen to hit Sanji with... Queen the Plague but didn't use any biological weapon in his fight.
I did dislike that king and queens epithet were just red herrings for Lunarian powers and Germa powers.

I would have liked if they had awakening or if King was setting things on fire rather than himself and Queen was at least using poison pinks abilities
 
#22
100% agree. I bought into I think Tekking on youtube's theory that the Wano samurai, pirates and mink would take over the Flower Capital first and Onigashima would be an all out war instead of an ambush. It really is a shame because I think King and Queen are fine for what they were created to be — foils to Zoro/Sanji and good challenges — but they could've been a lot better. Untapped potential IMO.

Lmfao... Momo still is only used as a means to stop this arc's birdcage. I can't say I find him endearing at all, he's a bad take on Vivi.
Momoron is a bad character in general, imo. A brat who is obviously not up to the challenge and does not try to be either before 15 chapters ago.

King should have been made the main enforcer of Wano and had several near-encounters with Zoro in Act 1 (where he could have been utilized to order the attack by Hawkins) and Act 2 (to protect Orochi in Yasuie execution instead of the OOC Denjiro & lengthening the trite Udon plot) because Zoro killed the magistrar, while Cook and his invisibility should have been utilized for Luffy breaking out of Udon and to give him a build-up with Queen.

Jinbei should also have been introduced to Wano earlier to pit him against Jack in some capacity in Act 2.

Have Yasuei's execution be the day Orochi and the Oniwabanshu die to an attack by most of the SHs, A9, and the alliance, who then seize the capital, while Udon falls due to Big Mom's attack and Luffy breaking out. At the same time, Jinbei should have swam underneath Mama Chanter all along and secretly sneaked in to Wano, while Kaido ordered Jack to help up stopping the chaos in Wano, forcing Jinbei to down his fleet and set up Jinbei vs Jack later.

With the capital, Udon, and the Mammoth fleet going down, Kaido orders his crew to regroup in Onigashima before outright declaring a war, giving the SHs and all of Wano several days to surrender or die. This sets up the Wano-Onigashima war.

And it should have been Yamato instead of Kin and Momo whom we met back in PH, imo.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#23
I did dislike that king and queens epithet were just red herrings for Lunarian powers and Germa powers.

I would have liked if they had awakening or if King was setting things on fire rather than himself and Queen was at least using poison pinks abilities
I'm at least a little happy that King used his epithet for actual combat. It could've been better ofc. Queen though... Oda has this panel below with a smoking bludgeon and I assumed we'd be having Queen slowly poison Sanji throughout the fight and slow him down or add some other detriment to him.

Instead we got Ice Oni which was a good plot point but does nothing for Queen's climactic battle.

 

TheAncientCenturion

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#26
King should have been made the main enforcer of Wano and had several near-encounters with Zoro in Act 1 (where he could have been utilized to order the attack by Hawkins) and Act 2 (to protect Orochi in Yasuie execution instead of the OOC Denjiro & lengthening the trite Udon plot) because Zoro killed the magistrar, while Cook and his invisibility should have been utilized for Luffy breaking out of Udon and to give him a build-up with Queen.
Agreed. Oda doesn't even need to dedicate too much time to either point IMO. He just needs to stress the fact that these characters have a score to settle. Have King play around with Zoro in Act 1 or 2 but get part of his mask broken and he carries that grudge for the rest of the arc.

Queen already has a reason to go after Sanji so they really just needed to meet, like you said in Udon if Oda decided to use Stealthblack a little more.

But little things to make their eventual fights more exciting and build the tension would've been nice.
Have Yasuei's execution be the day Orochi and the Oniwabanshu die to an attack by most of the SHs, A9, and the alliance, who then seize the capital, while Udon falls due to Big Mom's attack and Luffy breaking out. At the same time, Jinbei should have swam underneath Mama Chanter all along and secretly sneaked in to Wano, while Kaido ordered Jack to help up stopping the chaos in Wano, forcing Jinbei to down his fleet and set up Jinbei vs Jack later.

With the capital, Udon, and the Mammoth fleet going down, Kaido orders his crew to regroup in Onigashima before outright declaring a war, giving the SHs and all of Wano several days to surrender or die. This sets up the Wano-Onigashima war.
Yeah, this sounds like it'd be real exciting. You'd have everything set in place for the final battle you just wouldn't know where it's coming from. I can already imagine the Alliance evacuating and fortifying the Flower Capital, just to see Onigashima flying in the air and Kaido dropping it on them as the opening move.

I think anything proactive from the antagonists would've been nice.

Jinbe versus Jack would've been more satisfying too, though I think Oda forced his hand with the Dukes.
And it should have been Yamato instead of Kin and Momo whom we met back in PH, imo.
Could even keep Kin and Momo, but Yamato there adds another later to that dynamic.
 
#28
Only complain I have with King and Queen, is Queen should have had revealed the vinsmoke tech a lot earlier to flesh them oit more, with Reiju's poison too, and have a combination attack like the trio's black bug they did, similarly with Queen

King was decent, had a good fight.

There are things that could have been made more interesting sure, however they don't need any big story behind them. King is Kaido's right hand, Zoro is Luffy's right hand, there you have it the reason to fight.
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They don't necessary need better haki or awakening, different ways for characters to get stronger, if I had to change anything I would simply enforce King and Queen's forte.

Jack however lacked any versatility and lacked any proper on screen showoff, I would have given awakening to him for an entire overhaul lol.
 
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#29
Agreed. Oda doesn't even need to dedicate too much time to either point IMO. He just needs to stress the fact that these characters have a score to settle. Have King play around with Zoro in Act 1 or 2 but get part of his mask broken and he carries that grudge for the rest of the arc.

Queen already has a reason to go after Sanji so they really just needed to meet, like you said in Udon if Oda decided to use Stealthblack a little more.

But little things to make their eventual fights more exciting and build the tension would've been nice.

Yeah, this sounds like it'd be real exciting. You'd have everything set in place for the final battle you just wouldn't know where it's coming from. I can already imagine the Alliance evacuating and fortifying the Flower Capital, just to see Onigashima flying in the air and Kaido dropping it on them as the opening move.

I think anything proactive from the antagonists would've been nice.

Jinbe versus Jack would've been more satisfying too, though I think Oda forced his hand with the Dukes.

Could even keep Kin and Momo, but Yamato there adds another later to that dynamic.
Damn, Onigashima floating to Wano would have been a wicked way to start the war! :steef:

And Zoro cracking King's mask to pass him off is just :akaman:.
 
#31
Imo get rushed in 1034 and also the title of the calamities defeat was very lame like Sanji vs Queen and zoro vs King
Germa pu should have came in 1034 and in 1035 Queen's defeat showing Queen more feats like invisibility and poison things 1036 Acoc pu and 1037 defeat with King showing more feats with his body and lunarian and giving zoro a hard time
 
#34
--King was awesome :steef::steef:

--Queen could have shown more though ; only using lasers 99% of times which can be dodged every time in meh

--Invisibility is also useless for him , the only good thing in terms of offense was snake form attack. Oda should have given him plague/virus mode
Beside invisibility his Germa tech is broken but he didnt use them well, queen is like having 4+ devil fruits... he is so broken but yet so mid lol
 
#35
So rushed they didnt Even show any haki. Like queen only used armaments once at the beggining of the battle. And king didn't used haki at all the entire battle. Like wtf oda, these guys have Marco and luffy level bounty but even smoker got to display more haki then them. Even fucking don sai or old chinjao, vergo....


Funny that king did display haki in Clash with sanji but not in his full battle with Zoro....
Thank you for literally proving to us that when it comes to the Zoro battles you dont read them at all

Literally multiple panels showing King using Haki on his blade
 
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