Versus Battle King of the Hill - Yo Tan Wa VS Kan Ki

[Rumble]

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Two armies enter, only one may leave.

SCENARIO A: the terrain is SIMILAR TO Sanyou.

SCENARIO B: the terrain is SIMILAR TO Koku You Hills.

CONDITIONS

The only acceptable win condition is the total annihilation of the opposing army.

For Scenario B ONLY, consider capturing the hills as still the best route to victory.​

Yo Tan Wa Army - 70K

• 20K YTW Army (incl Enpo + Ran Kai)
• 20K Ba Jio Army (incl Shunmen + Tajifu)
• 15K Danto Army
• 15K Kitari Army

Kan Ki Army - 70K

• 20K Kan Ki Army (incl Ma Ron + Shu Ma + Zenou)
• 20K Rai Do Army
• 15K Koku'Ou Army
• 15K Rin Gyoku Army

Since he doesn't have an official stat line, consider Shu Ma a STR 92 fighter. I also want to "officially" buff Zenou to STR 98 but feel free to completely ignore the canon stats to begin with.

WHO WINS?

 

[Bepo]

I think Kanki is screwed either way.

In a direct confrontational battle his former bandit army would get slaughtered by YTW's mountain tribes.

As for scenario B, we can just compare what happened during the first day of Kokuyo Hills where even the Zenou clan was being entraped and thoroughly wiped out by the Keisha army.

Since only capturing the hills is necessary for victory, it probably wouldn't give enough time or opportunity for Kanki to utilise some sort of guerilla method like he did with Kisui.

 

[Rumble]

As for scenario B, we can just compare what happened during the first day of Kokuyo Hills where even the Zenou clan was being entraped and thoroughly wiped out by the Keisha army.

Very good point. I don't think the bandits escape any mountain folk traps with anything less than devastating losses, if they manage to escape at all.

 

[Owl Ki]

I've always been of the opinion that Yotanwa and her Mountain mad lads are a hard counter to Kanki and his bandits.

If we are talking about them having their own armies (instead of them both being given a standard Qin Army of exact equal strength) then out of any opponent, Yotanwa would be by far the worst matchup for Kanki to face.

The reason for that is because Kanki's greatest strengths are either shared by YTW's forces or mitigated by them.

Kanki heavily relies on unorthodox tactics being used against orthodox opponents. Pity for him that the Mountain Army is exceedingly unorthodox itself.

Kanki's brutality won't work either. Best case scenario, the Mountain Tribals don't give a shit. Worst case scenario, it just pisses them off. Point is, it won't demoralise them since the Mountain Tribals themselves are absolutely batshit brutal. These are people who tear out the jugular of their opponents with their teeth. Kanki ain't scaring them.

Hell, he will need to be more concerned about his own men running away from the Mountain mad lads. Remember how Kanki's men ran away from Kochou's forces? How well would they have stood up against far more brutal opponents like the Quanrong in an equally dire situation? Lol.

Kanki relies a lot on mobility but the Mountain Army are just as mobile (if not more so) and are usually expert trackers to boot (e.g. the human bloodhounds that could sniff out a fucking trapdoor. Lol). The Mountain Army can also scatter just like Kanki's and reform somewhere else like they did against the Quanrong.

Mountain Tribals are also on average just way stronger than the average plains dweller in a fight. So he isn't beating them in a head on fight either, especially since Yotanwa has the better subordinates at hand.

I just don't see Kanki beating someone that shares his strengths and doesn't have any of the weaknesses that Kanki typically exploits in other armies.

See this thread for Yotanwa nuttiness. Lol.

Spoiler: Link

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...urnament-winners-r1-round-2.3196/#post-253947

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

do you think you can win @Yo Tan Wa

 

[Rumble]

I've always been of the opinion that Yotanwa and her Mountain mad lads are a hard counter to Kanki and his bandits.

What do you make of the strength Kan Ki's bandits showed against Ri Boku's elites?

 

[God Buggy]

Yeah, I think Yotanwa wins. Kanki is an expert at coming up with devious plans in terrains like this one using his bandit strategies, but Yotanwa and her mountain men woud likewise be comfortable fighting here. Yotanwa can also be an expert manipulator and has her own unconventional warfare.

Plus, her army is just mighty strong and versatile, much more than Kanki's. @Owl Ki made some great points.

Kanki can be a devil but he ain't overcoming all that. For him specifically, this Yotanwa army is pretty much the most dangerous opponent he could encounter. Kanki can possibly come up with something spectacular but I fear the slaughter it would occur here and that Kanki's moves wouldn't work nonetheless.

 

[Rumble]

Yeah, I think Yotanwa wins. Kanki is an expert at coming up with devious plans in terrains like this one using his bandit strategies, but Yotanwa and her mountain men woud likewise be comfortable fighting here. Yotanwa can also be an expert manipulator and has her own unconventional warfare.

Plus, her army is just mighty strong and versatile, much more than Kanki's. @Owl Ki made some great points.

Kanki can be a devil but he ain't overcoming all that. For him specifically, this Yotanwa army is pretty much the most dangerous opponent he could encounter. Kanki can possibly come up with something spectacular but I fear the slaughter it would occur here and that Kanki's moves wouldn't work nonetheless.

I could get onboard with YTW as the favourite (I think it’s Kan Ki in scenario B), but not enough credit is given to the strength of Kan Ki’s army of bandits. I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider them on par with YTW’s soldiers.

Then add to that 2 factors:

• Kan Ki’s officers are smarter, i.e. better tacticians
• Ba Jio is always in an (over) extended position

The cohesion of YTW’s army is suspect. If any of her generals were killed, there would be a window of extreme vulnerability due to their lack of conventional discipline and tactics.

Brigands are brigands, but Kan Ki’s men have always operated as a paramilitary organisation that emphasises strength and survival skills.

I think YTW has a considerably longer, more difficult path to victory due to the Kan Ki Army’s fragmented style of fight and use of terrain.

By comparison, I think Kan Ki a has much clearer to path to victory through eliminating YTW’s officers.

I’m leaning towards YTW winning in Scenario A and Kan Ki in B.

Bear in mind, I chose these terrains and conditions to make things fairer in favour of Kan Ki.

 

[Bullet]

YTW got this.
Superior army, officers, more versatile tribes who would smell the traps, climb unclimbable cliffs etc..
There isn't really any terrain that can give Kanki the edge over YTW, she beats him on a plain, jungle or mountain.

 

[Rumble]

YTW got this.
Superior army, officers, more versatile tribes who would smell the traps, climb unclimbable cliffs etc..
There isn't really any terrain that can give Kanki the edge over YTW, she beats him on a plain, jungle or mountain.

YTW's officers are superior fighters, but they tend to leave themselves vulnerable.

If Kan Ki takes out Ba Jio, he's halfway to winning.

He takes out Danto/Feego King or Kitari, he's about a quarter of the way.

 

[Bullet]

YTW's officers are superior fighters, but they end to leave themselves vulnerable.

If Kan Ki takes out Ba Jio, he's halfway to winning.

He takes out Danto/Feego King or Kitari, he's about a quarter of the way.

Who has a chance against them other than Zenou?
They also only pushed forward on plains since they are unstoppable and don't need to worry about nothing. Bajio will never put himself or his unit in danger by running into a trap.
Bajio is like the Tarzan of ancient china. Man grew up alone in the jungle and mountains living like an animal.
Half of YTW's officers could give Kanki the Bane Speech: you merely adopted the jungle/Mountain, we were born in it, molded by it.

 

[Rumble]

Who has a chance against them other than Zenou?
They also only pushed forward on plains since they are unstoppable and don't need to worry about nothing. Bajio will never put himself or his unit in damger by running into a trap.
Bajio is like the Tarzan of ancient china. Man grew up alone in the jungle and mountains living like an animal.
Half of YTW's officers could give Kanki the Bane Speech: you merely adopted the jungle/Mountain, we were born in it, molded by it.

For one, Kan Ki is capable of appearing anywhere at any time and capable of slaying YTW's officers quite easily.

I also think Zenou is reliable for a couple of kills if he doesn't run into Ran Kai first.

Rai Do and Koku'Ou are savvy enough lure enemies into ambushes and YTW's officers aren't the sharpest bunch.

The Kan Ki Army could definitely win againt the YTW Army.