Chapter Discussion #KINGDOM822 Chapter 822 of kingdom in English :

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[Blackbeard]

Raku'A Kan L foreshadowed hundreds of chapters ago?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

God, I can’t read these fucking translations and blurry ass scans. Im glad to wait 5-6 chapters for Sense to catch up because these fast translations are killing Kingdom scans.

 

[Bepo]

I think Hara just sacrificed some of the continuity for the sake of hyping up these two.

Literally no previous battles with either RAK or HKK has ever been referenced up to this point despite various other (pre-story) battles like Chouhei have or Renpa and Kyou En mentioning which of the 6 GG they've fought.

There was plenty of opportunity for Hara to do so but the fact that he didn't makes me believe he didn't plan out RAK and HKK like he did with other characters.

 

[centurion]

 

[Alexis2282AE]

Han soldiers when it comes to playing dirty:

 

[God Buggy]

Han soldiers when it comes to playing dirty:

CHILLS🥶🥶

 

[Daniel]

Something magical is about to happen.

It's the start of a possibly huge arc, after all

 

[Rumble]

I think Hara just sacrificed some of the continuity for the sake of hyping up these two.

Literally no previous battles with either RAK or HKK has ever been referenced up to this point despite various other (pre-story) battles like Chouhei have or Renpa and Kyou En mentioning which of the 6 GG they've fought.

There was plenty of opportunity for Hara to do so but the fact that he didn't makes me believe he didn't plan out RAK and HKK like he did with other characters.

This is the long and short of it.

Hara knows he didn't do the proper legwork with these characters, even though he's had EVERY OPPORTUNITY to do so.

This is more of his dog shit writing at work.

 

[BitterZteel]

Didn't Mougou invade Han like Twice. The first was when Shin was a kid and the second was before Bayou.

Didn't Ryofui also have a campaign against Han or was that against Wei?

 

[Rumble]

Didn't Mougou invade Han like Twice. The first was when Shin was a kid and the second was before Bayou.

Didn't Ryofui also have a campaign against Han or was that against Wei?

Correct.

There was an invasion of Han that happened 20 years ago when Shin was a kid, and another during Bayou, hence the need for conscripts.

Ryo Fui led an army of 200,000 against Wei.

 

[Pirao]

Didn't Mougou invade Han like Twice. The first was when Shin was a kid and the second was before Bayou.

Yep, and he took a lot of Han cities. Of course he had Kanki and Ousen back then too.

 

[Cichy]

Mougou was a bigger problem for Han then Renpa.

 

[BanditKanki]

I assume it was those wars against Renpa and Gokei that meant Han would now insist on the new policy of retreating inwardly rather than risk it all with these two. Haku and Raku repelled, but at what cost?

 

[Rumble]

It would demand less of an explanation if Raku and Haku repelled Ren Pa's Four Heavenly Kings without Ren Pa being there for one reason or another.

We know Kai Shi Bou has an extensive history of operating independently of Ren Pa. It's a reasonable assumption he may have occassionally led the 4HK into battle without Ren Pa present.

Spoiler: ch 213

I would still take issue with Raku and Haku being 1K Commanders at the time. If they were young and unproven generals fine, but it still demands a hell of explanation how a pair of 1K Commanders could adapt to large scale warfare successfully. I could live with it if they were experienced 5K Commanders, but 1K is plain silly in this context.

Spoiler: ch 407

Hara should've started planting seeds for these revelations when the Qin visited Shintei like 70 chapters ago. He's had plenty of opportunity to plan this out and gradually share more information on the history of Han, its wars and its generals.

Execution is everything, and imo Hara hasn't done a good job with Raku, Haku, the Han court in general, this battle, or its revelations. My favourite parts of this arc remain the taking and pacifying of Nanyou. This manga is better with more politics, not less.

 

[BanditKanki]

1k commanders can shape the outcome of the entire battle so I can see that happening (not for them specifically, but anyone of that talent). It was as 1k commanders that they’d gain their first fame, probably contributing to a great play that helped defeat the enemy. Following on from that would be more where they are recognised and established as they rise up very quickly to becoming Generals and blocking Renpa and Gokei as generals.

 

[Bepo]

It would demand less of an explanation if Raku and Haku repelled Ren Pa's Four Heavenly Kings without Ren Pa being there for one reason or another.

We know Kai Shi Bou has an extensive history of operating independently of Ren Pa. It's a reasonable assumption may have occassionally led the 4HK into battle without Ren Pa present.

Spoiler: ch 213

I would still take issue with Raku and Haku being 1K Commanders at the time. If they were young and unproven generals fine, but it demands a hell of explanation how a pair of 1K Commanders could adapt to large scale warfare successfully. I could live with if they were experienced 5K Commanders, but 1K is plain silly in this context.

Spoiler: ch 407

Hara should've started planting seeds for these revelations when the Qin visited Shintei like 70 chapters ago. He's had plenty of opportunity to plan this out and gradually share more information on the history of Han, its wars and its generals.

Execution is everything, and imo Hara hasn't done a good job with Raku, Haku, the Han court in general, this battle, or its revelations. My favourite parts of this arc remain the taking and pacifying of Nanyou. This manga is better with more politics, not less.

I think this issue could have been solved by making RAK a bit more comparable to someone like Kouchou. A decent GG who was assigned to defend the capital.

Hara could have simply given him a similar type of description before the battle started, something like he was a 'fierce general who rampaged at such and such before becoming Shintei's guardian'

It doesn't feel appropriate or even necessary to hype these two up so much when we already knew that Han wasn't exactly known for it's strenght and this battle likely isn't going to last long.

 

[Rumble]

I think this issue could have been solved by making RAK a bit more comparable to someone like Kouchou. A decent GG who was assigned to defend the capital.

Hara could have simply given him a similar type of description before the battle started, something like he was a 'fierce general who rampaged at such and such before becoming Shintei's guardian'

That would've done the trick too, without ever including Ren Pa or Go Kei, or the fact Haku and Raku were newly minted 1K Commanders.

I don't know why Hara didn't just do the legwork, or at least start to, when they visited Shintei? Imagine if we got to see that night Tou and Raku spent drinking and talking together. It would've been cool for Shin to be around such an environment, like the time Ou Ki visited Ren Pa.

We could've had more time Kan Pi Shi and Shin, learned a bit more about Raku and Haku, the history of Han, its king and royal family - and none of it would have to take up much more space than a few lines of dialogue here and there. There was so much opportunity there and in other parts. Nanyou was fertile ground for learning more about Haku in particular, and the "doomstar" nonsense could've been easily dropped on us at that point - it would've still been silly to me, but the execution would've been miles better.

It doesn't feel appropriate or even necessary to hype these two up so much when we already knew that Han wasn't exactly known for it's strenght and this battle likely isn't going to last long.

My only pushback to this is that talent can spring up anywhere and having two really talented generals being a big part of why Han is still standing (aside from the fact other states would send aid out of self interest) works for me.

What absolutely does not work for me is how Hara has gone about it.

Makes me wonder what to expect of Yan and Qi down the line.