Character Discussion Koby has some of the most consistent powerscaling in the series

[TEACH D TEACH]

he has never trained before so it is consistent
the moment he started he skyrockted

He was weak af, training or no training, the jump was too high

 

[TheLastBerserker]

He was weak af, training or no training, the jump was too high

Thats your opinion. We have characters that are innately strong like Oden and Big Mom its not a stretch to say that characters exist that once they train can become crazy powerhouses regardless of age.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Thats your opinion. We have characters that are innately strong like Oden and Big Mom its not a stretch to say that characters exist that once they train can become crazy powerhouses regardless of age.

It's not an opinion, it's what happened. He was weak af at the age of 16, fodder marines were light years ahead of him. His jump is way too high

 

[TheLastBerserker]

It's not an opinion, it's what happened. He was weak af at the age of 16, fodder marines were light years ahead of him. His jump is way too high

sounds like an opinion to me, also getting trained by Garp matters. a fodder marine trained by Garp would reach a good position look at Helmeppo.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

sounds like an opinion to me, also getting trained by Garp matters. a fodder marine trained by Garp would reach a good position look at Helmeppo.

Not an opinion if i just tell you something that happened. And gpod that you mention Helmeppo, another guy who was weak af, but became strong "overnight", just not on the same level as Koby

 

[TheLastBerserker]

Not an opinion if i just tell you something that happened. And gpod that you mention Helmeppo, another guy who was weak af, but became strong "overnight", just not on the same level as Koby

It's your opinion that characters aren't allowed to have innate strength that only shines when they actually train and have the right mentor. Also you can ignore that Garp training didn't have an influence to some degree all you want, we call this a cope.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

He was weak af, training or no training, the jump was too high

No

Koby got haki training from Garp. Beyond the normal training Garp gives everyone up and coming marine, Koby undertook the battleship bag training.

This is special training that only Garp and Kuzan did that maximizes physical strength.

Luffy also did very similar training in udon to master ACoA. So it’s very possible that by improving their strength, battleship bags improves one’s natural affinity for haki.
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Regardless, Koby has the least amount of asspulls of any character. He worked hard and trained his ass off with Garp.

No magic sword
No magic genes
No magic DF

just effort and perseverance

 

[MUUGEN]

I'm not sure why people ignore the fact that Koby has incredible powerscaling, him lacking confidence in himself in combat doesn't mean he has ever been weak or had middling potential. We know that when characters lack confidence in themselves they never bring out their full potential. He has always had more potential than just about any character other than Luffy. The one thing that did help him is the old man mentor which is a clear sign that Garp saw that Koby would surpass him one day.
1. Learned Soru in just a few months.
2. Had no prior combat training or experience before joining the Navy.
3. Mastered Rokushiki over the 2 year timeskip
4. Pushes himself beyond his limits ever since he started training with Garp.
This is also why Koby will end up a far better overall character than Usopp, once we see him more confident and throwing hands he will be a monster.

I think you messed up with your logic he has the most inconsistent in the series. dude was the absolute weakest character in the verse made Usopp look good. Randomly unlocked a high advanced level of Observation Haki before even Luffy unlock while the only person to have a compatible feat was Enel due to DF enhancement and the little girl from Jaya who was just naturally gifted and born with it, yet he couldn’t sense he was walking into a trap on Hachinosu while Enel was able to easily read ever single move someone was going to make or thought they had. Learned Rokushiki within 3 years and Soru with a few months meanwhile it took CP-9 to train since they were just about born to learn these techniques while the only other marines to display or use these techs are CP agents one which is a clone of an Rox Pirate and an All Star from the Beast Pirates and Vice Admirals. Inconsistent for a fledgling to learn and hone this skills so easily. It also took Sanji about a year or two to even master Soru himself….

meanwhile we also have Tashigi Kobys superior who can barely even use Shigan….
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Regardless, Koby has the least amount of asspulls of any character. He worked hard and trained his ass off with Garp.

No magic sword
No magic genes
No magic DF

just effort and perseverance

I forgot you’re one of those.

koby has as many ass pulls as luffy does with plot armor.

helmeppo I can at least understand cause his dad was an actual ranked marine, meanwhile you had a choreboy from Alvidas ship who just randomly gained Conquerors or at the very least gained AdvCoA which took Luffy the entirety of the timeskip to learn after Rayleighs training through actual life or death fights with YC and Yonkous…

Koby unlocked AdvHaki twice MF while he was running away from the battlefield and Hachinosu where he barely had any true clashes..

talk about asspulls
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Luffy has been trained by Garp since he was born alongside Ace and Sabo.

Zoro was training since he was at least 8 went to an actual Dojo and learned martial arts and became a bounty hunter then unlocked his dormant haki through rigorous training with Mihawk, yeah those are ass pulls when Zoro has been consistently shown to be the only one who actually works on his mind body and soul….

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

It's your opinion that characters aren't allowed to have innate strength that only shines when they actually train and have the right mentor. Also you can ignore that Garp training didn't have an influence to some degree all you want, we call this a cope.

As you yourself say, Garp trained others too. And there is no justification of jumping from fodders fodder to this level so quickly. Even from fodders fodder to the pre TS level was outrageous. Everything else is you telling yourself it's fine

 

[Just a member]

He got a bit of main character level growth, just that, we see him once in a blue moon training on a cover, the message Oda gave us about him is that he trained day and night for all the time, he eventually gets blessed by haki and now adv haki (and this is a big jump, which makes all the thing not much believable) still Oda needs a character that can stay relevant to the story and so powerful enough to be compared to top tiers, he eventually will get a big fight.

Still, if you think about it, we got Luffy who in the span of a few weeks at best got from start if the post time skip level (G4 basically, YC3) all the way to sun god/G5 who in the end beat Kaido (so at least pseudo yonko level) and this is an incredible jump if you consider the time he needed to do that.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Kaku is a Giraffe enthusiast and Lucci thinks like a predator anyway.You need to have affinity to your fruit and be in perfect synch to it to awaken.

I've seen a post in my local forum basically like this :

Beast Pirates people can't awaken their DF because they don't know shit about dinosaurs & can't observe them. Whereas giraffe & leopard are readily available.

😂
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All One Piece characters training for life. But Coby 2 years training is consistent. Okay...

Yeah.

Also people often forget that you need to be born talented too for you to improve quickly. Hardwork alone isn't enough.

 

[NAMELESS]

I've seen a post in my local forum basically like this :

Beast Pirates people can't awaken their DF because they don't know shit about dinosaurs & can't observe them. Whereas giraffe & leopard are readily available.

😂.

Sounds reasonable.