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Cruxroux

Cruxroux

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I want to draw some parallels first.
Ancient WeaponsPosiedonPlutonUranus
Characters Connected to itShirahosiMomonusuke?
Common things among these peopleVoice of All ThingsVoice of all thingsShould have Voice of all things
""Controls Sea KingControls ZuneshaControls ?
""Royal by bloodRoyal by BloodShould be Royal by Blood
""Can Control SeaCan Control LandShould Control Air/Sky/Weather
Vegapunk CopiesCan Control Mechanic Sea King(Sea Beasts)Can Make Laser based Weapons(Mother Flame)Can Control Weather(Island AC)


Now, all ancient weapons Users have similarities.
Similarities between Shirahoshi and Momonusuke
  • Royals by nature
  • Both of them have beef with WG
  • Both of Voice of all things
  • Both are connected/Allied to Luffy
Now it's been commonly speculated that.

  • Poseidon rules the sea.
  • Pluton rules the land/Islands.
  • Uranus should rule the skies.
Also, animals are connected to these weapons.
  • Poseidon uses Sea Kings.
  • For Pluton, Zunesha is important to break the border and to maybe even move it around.
  • Now what animal could be connected to the skies and control/rule the sky/Weather?

Now let's go back to chapter 0.
Now, people can speculate this to be any weapon, given that Roger Crew had info on both the known ancient weapons.

But why can't it be Uranus?

  • Chapter 0 happened 3 years ago during the Great Pirate Era.
  • Oden joins the crew.
  • Roger's crew went to Laugh Tale.
  • Two years later, Roger came back as Pirate King
  • One year later, Roger Execution Happened.
Now the problem is, the Roger crew got to know about Poseidon and Pluton, while Oden was around. So they can't know about them, that leaves us with one weapon, which is " Uranus ".

Roger crew was carrying an egg during their final voyage, which is still a mystery.
(People have already theorised it to be Uranus)

Now, also during the Edd war, a Storm came and destroyed the Shiki fleet. While the Roger Pirates were unscathed.

Now we all know Roger was the Voice of all things user. And could hear Sea Kings and Zunesha.
Maybe unconsciously, Roger summoned or even ordered Uranus to destroy Shiki's Fleet.



From all that we can draw a few speculations for Uranus.
  • It can cause storms, change the weather. (Like Vegapunk Technology of Island AC)
  • It's related to an Animal, possibly the egg on their ship.
We know one thing for certain: Vegapunk was copying ancient weapons now.
  • Mechanical Sea King, and control over them.
  • Island AC, which allows a winter island like Egghead to be like a tropical rain forest island. Controlling the weather.
  • Mother Flame, which was used to destroy Lulusia, can take inspiration from Pluton.
Now, coming to the person who can control it.
  • A person who can fit these descriptions.
    • Voice of all things user.
    • Is connected to the destruction of the world.
    • Royal by blood.
    • Should be able to control the weather.
    • Connected to Luffy.
My only guess is " Loki ".
Why Loki?
  • He fits three of the criteria above.
    • Royal by blood.
    • Connected to Luffy.
    • Is connected to the destruction of the world.
  • what he isn't confirmed to fit.
    • Voice of all things user
    • Should be able to control the weather.

And Loki fits the remaining two criteria as well.

  • Voice of all things
    • Luffy and Loki were able to figure it out. Someone dropped from above, and Luffy even knew it was Chopper.
    • People can say it was Observation haki at its peak. But Luffy is doing it unconsciously and even knew it was Chopper.
    • Given Luffy's mastery over his Haki skills. He, out of all people, shouldn't be surprised that he knew it was Chopper.
    • Luffy used it unconsciously, and Loki used it consciously.
    • It has to be the Voice of all things.
  • Second being the power of weather.
    • Loki was still cuffed with Sea stone, so Devil fruit power is out of the option here.
    • Weapon summoning lightning, not even generating, is completely unheard of. Kinemon and McGuy were generating flame and Lightning, not summoning it from the sky.
    • Yet with a hit of the hammer, he was able to summon lightning.
      • Not only that, the Weapon was still radiating Lightning afterwards.
      • Hajrudin was concerned for Luffy that he might get electrocuted as well.
      • Luffy is rubber. But Loki isn't; he should get electrocuted as well.

Then, from where the fuck did Loki summon this lightning?

My only guess is indirectly using the ancient weapon.

Now, If you fill in Loki on the table above in the Uranus section, it fits perfectly.

Ancient WeaponsPosiedonPlutonUranus
Characters Connected to itShirahosiMomonusuke?(Loki)
Common things among these peopleVoice of All ThingsVoice of all thingsShould have Voice of all things = (Loki)
""Controls Sea KingControls ZuneshaControls ? = (Controls weather , summoning storms)
""Royal by bloodRoyal by BloodShould be Royal by Blood = Loki
""Can Control SeaCan Control LandShould Control Air/Sky/Weather (Fits perfectly)
Vegapunk CopiesCan Control Mechanic Sea King(Sea Beasts)Can Make Laser based Weapons(Mother Flame)Can Control Weather(Island AC)



Now, before going further, I want to talk about the Elbaf tree and the Heaven world. (@Kizaruber Eats ). We were all speculating on where Heaven's people were.

But look at this image from Norse mythology,
Asguard could be the castle where the royal lives right now or used to.

Heaven realm, there's nothing but a bird. That bird/or whatever animal it is.

It has already hatched from the egg. It could be a dragon or a bird.

I tried researching, but there was nothing. Legit no info on this bird on top.

So, Oda, using his creative freedom, may have made this into a weapon.
 
shastar-sei

shastar-sei

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Cruxroux said:
But look at this image from Norse mythology,
Asguard could be the castle where the royal lives right now or used to.

Heaven realm, there's nothing but a bird. That bird/or whatever animal it is.

It has already hatched from the egg. It could be a dragon or a bird.

I tried researching, but there was nothing. Legit no info on this bird on top.
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In Norse myth, Veðrfölnir (or Vedrfolnir) is a hawk said to sit upon the head of an unnamed eagle. This means the eagle must be much larger. So, of the two, Roger's giant egg likely hatched into the eagle.

A bird that brings forth storms sounds like the Native American Thunderbird. Since there's not much said about the eagle, as you pointed out, Oda could borrow from Thunderbird lore.

There's a poem that says the eagle and the Níðhöggr (or Nidhogg) communicate with each other through a messenger squirrel (Ratatoskr). This reminds me of Zou's Kingsbird concept and the dukes representing day and night, since Vedrfolnir and Nidhogg are at opposite poles of the tree.

Eagle - Heaven World
Ratatoskr
Nidhogg - Underworld

Inuarashi - Ruler of Day
Kingsbird
Nekomamushi - Ruler of Night

Heck, even Inuarashi means "Dog Storm," and Nekkmamushi means "Cat Viper." Nidhogg is a dragon/serpent.
 
Cruxroux

Cruxroux

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SkySanji said:
Shirahoshi does not have VOAT.
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The Voice of All Things refers to messages conveyed by inanimate objects and animals that do not speak the human language. Only a very small number of people in the world possess the ability to hear this voice.

While Luffy, Roger, and Oden can only hear it and not command like Momonosuke and Shirahoshi.

The basic definition of Voice of All Things fits Shirahoshi.
Both of them can hear Zunesha and Sea King, and command them at will.
 
SkySanji

SkySanji

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Cruxroux said:
The Voice of All Things refers to messages conveyed by inanimate objects and animals that do not speak the human language. Only a very small number of people in the world possess the ability to hear this voice.

While Luffy, Roger, and Oden can only hear it and not command like Momonosuke and Shirahoshi.

The basic definition of Voice of All Things fits Shirahoshi.
Both of them can hear Zunesha and Sea King, and command them at will.
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Shirahoshi has only heard Sea Kings, her power is unique to Poseidon, it is not VOAT.
 
HerreraIsBack

HerreraIsBack

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