Current Events Let's not forget Big Mom came into the fight fresh while Kid and Law were injured

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Herrera95

#42
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Zoro couldn't have beaten Ener back then. Even if he understood that the breath of all things applied to logia, Ener's observation and lightning speed were defensively sound and he lacked Luffy's unconscious defense. On TOP of that, Ener was actually a physically strong combatant, as Zoro directly stated. Going from fight to fight and dealing with a logia who could seriously hurt him in very short order made it impossible.

Now look at all these dumbass labels you apply and tell me where Oda has ever used any caption. If you can't pull a scan of "Fodder level" or whatever, something that backs up your bullshit while forcing Oda to contradict his own statements rather than interpretation, please don't quote me anymore. From what I see on these boards your reading comprehension is terrible and I gave you the benefit of what seems like a language barrier, but that's not a good enough excuse.
Enel, someone that never got hit since he got his DF wouldn't survive Zoro's blades through him. Zoro is faster than Luffy and Luffy beated Enel being fast while holding a big and heavy golden globe on his wrists. 1 Shishi Sonson is enough for Zoro to beat him.

Where Oda ever used those labels? Just because he isn't directly saying Yonko Level doesn't mean he is not putting this kind of system in One Piece.

First of all, 4 Emperors that rules the New World EQUALLY and almost never fight each other and WG is afraid if 2 of them makes an alliance because would mean they would become stronger than WG itself. Also when those rare battles between Yonkos happen it lasts for days without a winner. This is pretty established Yonko Level. Fodder level would be anyone who goes down by CoC.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#44
Yeah, because that scene does more to clown Linlin than hype Kidd. Kidd can have exceptional durability but Wano has been the arc of Oda making it very well known when characters have top tier durability—he isn’t leaving it up to reader interpretation. Kidd isn’t a Kaido, King or Linlin.

But on his hands and knees defenseless, Linlin failed to do any big damage to Kidd when using a named move + two homies. There’s really no way to salvage that scene for Linlin.
Actually I feel like Kidd is ending up too damaged for how his tankiness was supposed to entail. He is simply not on the level of Luffy and Zoro tbh.
 
#46
Isnt Kaido best feat in the raid, temporarily downing Rooftop Luffy Twice?? I mean technically u could count beating the scabbards....

Meme temporarily Downed Law/Kid simultaneously, both of which have similar if not superior endurance to luffy. An technically hasn’t received any damage in any legitimate 1-1 situation. Despite fighting Kid/Marco/ an Base Kaido.

Meme an ass tier character. But people are going a bit overboard. She’s still top tier worthy, just pathetically handle
 
#47
Isnt Kaido best feat in the raid, temporarily downing Rooftop Luffy Twice?? I mean technically u could count beating the scabbards....

Meme temporarily Downed Law/Kid simultaneously, both of which have similar if not superior endurance to luffy. An technically hasn’t received any damage in any legitimate 1-1 situation. Despite fighting Kid/Marco/ an Base Kaido.

Meme an ass tier character. But people are going a bit overboard. She’s still top tier worthy, just pathetically handle
The same people here will argue the admirals have no anti-feats. Extravlad was legitimately arguing Kizaru wasn't trying to kill Marco and Luffy in Marineford because I showed off multiple anti-feats for him.

I then showed a panel of Kizaru asking Sengoku to execute everyone and Extravlad hasn't responded.

@Extravlad


Why didn't kizaru kill Marco and Luffy in marineford?
 
#48
The same people here will argue the admirals have no anti-feats. Extravlad was legitimately arguing Kizaru wasn't trying to kill Marco and Luffy in Marineford because I showed off multiple anti-feats for him.

I then showed a panel of Kizaru asking Sengoku to execute everyone and Extravlad hasn't responded.

@Extravlad


Why didn't kizaru kill Marco and Luffy in marineford?
You mean how you LITERALLY RAN AWAY after I cornered you and you failed to even attempt to answer my arguments?

Why did Kizaru leave cuffed bleeding Marco alone instead of finishing him?

Why did Kizaru kicked almost k.o'd Luffy into Whitebeard's arms instead of finishing him?

Answer these questions.
 
#49
You mean how you LITERALLY RAN AWAY after I cornered you and you failed to even attempt to answer my arguments?

Why did Kizaru leave cuffed bleeding Marco alone instead of finishing him?

Why did Kizaru kicked almost k.o'd Luffy into Whitebeard's arms instead of finishing him?

Answer these questions.
I got the last post. You didn't. The reason being Kizaru is an incompetent.

He kicked Luffy thinking he was strong enough to kill him. Too bad for Kizaru his AP is so low it can't even KO Apoo.

And he meant to kill Marco with that attack....he is just incompetent he failed.

https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0557-014.png

You argued he wasn't trying to kill Luffy or Marco the whole time, I just showed you he did.
 
#51
I got the last post. You didn't. The reason being Kizaru is an incompetent.

He kicked Luffy thinking he was strong enough to kill him. Too bad for Kizaru his AP is so low it can't even KO Apoo.

And he meant to kill Marco with that attack....he is just incompetent he failed.

https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0557-014.png

You argued he wasn't trying to kill Luffy or Marco the whole time, I just showed you he did.
Kizaru tried to kill Marco by not attacking Marco when he was defenseless and leaving him alone to mind his own business.
Flawless logic right there. No wonder that you think Kid > Fujitora and got other nonsensical Yonko Piece takes.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that Kaido who actually expliclitly talks about death all the time has a killcount of exactly 0 so far
 
#52
Kizaru tried to kill Marco by not attacking Marco when he was defenseless and leaving him alone to mind his own business.
Flawless logic right there. No wonder that you think Kid > Fujitora and got other nonsensical Yonko Piece takes.
But he was under orders by Sengoku to execute them all. Why didn't he? The real reason is plot.

Same reason why Kid survived Big Moms attacks.

Difference between me and you is i understand this context.


Otoh its pretty clear the yonkos are meant to be > admirals. Proof? Where is Isshos CoC?
 
#53
But he was under orders by Sengoku to execute them all. Why didn't he? The real reason is plot.

Same reason why Kid survived Big Moms attacks.

Difference between me and you is i understand this context.
The issue isn't that Kid survived Big Mom's attacks, it's that he was hit by a serious named attack while absolutely DEFENSELESS and Oda treated it as if the scene had never happened, Kid complains about his headache from Hawkins instead of feeling the pain from being hit by Mama Raid.
 
#54
The issue isn't that Kid survived Big Mom's attacks, it's that he was hit by a serious named attack while absolutely DEFENSELESS and Oda treated it as if the scene had never happened, Kid complains about his headache from Hawkins instead of feeling the pain from being hit by Mama Raid.
Ok and? Luffy still got hit by an admiral multiple times. Buggy survived being frozen by Aokiji. And these characters didn't even damage Luffy significantly.

And Big Mom absolutely didn't even use haki there.

And Kid is absolutely a powerhouse. What do you think his post wano bounty will be?
 
#56
Ok and? Luffy still got hit by an admiral multiple times. Buggy survived being frozen by Aokiji. And these characters didn't even damage Luffy significantly.

And Big Mom absolutely didn't even use haki there.

And Kid is absolutely a powerhouse. What do you think his post wano bounty will be?
Luffy got hit by casual Admirals who never bothered using a named attack on him with Kizaru consistently making fun of how weak/slow/incompetent he was
The fact that you're comparing that to a duel to death between Big Mom and these 2 shows that you don't understand context as well as you seem to believe.

Kid was defenseless and complained more about Hawkins bashing his head on a wall.
 
#57
Luffy got hit by casual Admirals who never bothered using a named attack on him with Kizaru consistently making fun of how weak/slow/incompetent he was
The fact that you're comparing that to a duel to death between Big Mom and these 2 shows that you don't understand context as well as you seem to believe.

Kid was defenseless and complained more about Hawkins bashing his head on a wall.
You do realize Kidd is >>>>> MFLuffy? I see you didn't answer. What do you think post Wano Kids bounty is going to be?
 
#58
Yeah she was fine af! Luffy, Zoro (not killer also afaik) didn't attack her directly.

I remember some even put Big Mom above Kaido :suresure:
They did attack her offscreen per SNs own words that their attacks weren't working on them which luffy says "of course it does..."
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The amount of BM /kaido downplaying thread this guy has made throughout Wano arc lol

:josad:are you that worried or salty?

Admirals will be Calamities... losing quick and not be main villain of Final Saga
 
#59
You do realize Kidd is >>>>> MFLuffy? I see you didn't answer. What do you think post Wano Kids bounty is going to be?
You do realize Kizaru vs Luffy was NOT a serious fight from Kizaru's PoV while BM is going all out on Kid????

Kid's bounty? Higher than current Luffy, lower than current BB's, why does it matter exactly?
 
#60
You do realize Kizaru vs Luffy was NOT a serious fight from Kizaru's PoV while BM is going all out on Kid????

Kid's bounty? Higher than current Luffy, lower than current BB's, why does it matter exactly?
I mean, if Kids bounty is that high, it just proves my point. Blackbeard has 2 fruits, an entire armada. Kidd has, Killer and some fodder yet his bounty approaches BB level? how can you sit here and not argue kid isn't a powerhouse if his bounty is around the 2B mark?



And it was absolutely serious for Kizaru. Kizaru was under orders to execute them for Sengoku.
https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0557-014.png

not to mention dragons son. He was priority no 2 to die at marineford at that point.
 
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