Versus Battle Light vs L and Hisoka vs No Prep Chrollo

[matt245]

Light is unironically one of the most retarded characters who appear to be smart in fiction. The author tries to shove down your throat the fact that he's brilliant or a genius when in reality he is dumb as absolutely fuck and a moron.

I saw a quote the other day "Light literally had to prove the existence of 'god' in a court of law while Light only had to find out his name."

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Light is unironically one of the most retarded characters who appear to be smart in fiction. The author tries to shove down your throat the fact that he's brilliant or a genius when in reality he is dumb as absolutely fuck and a moron.

I saw a quote the other day "Light literally had to prove the existence of 'god' in a court of law while Light only had to find out his name."

Light was very intelligent and did things like convincing a fairly smart, secretive and rational woman into revealing her true name in, what, half a hour? Despite that lady being a former detective/agent.
Light's problem was arrogance and impulsiveness. That's what let them know for certain how his powers worked and how/why he used them on people (he killed Lind L Tailor immediately just because he thought he was the real L which both reveals he can kill with just a name and face, and that he will kill anyone who gets in the way of his dreams and not just criminals).

 

[matt245]

arrogance and impulsiveness

2 traits that are extremely incompatible with someone that's considered a borderline genius and one of the smartest people in manga. Light is just a moron who had every advantage in the world and that ended up losing to L.

One character had to figure out another character's name, while the other character had to prove that the first guy has magical killing powers. Take a wild guess at to wich guy lost in that scenario.

So yeah, no matter what you say, Light is borderline retarded, moronic and lacking of a functional brain. Sure, that does NOT take away the fact that L is extremely fucking smart and the real genius. The fact that this entire exchange was still somewhat close despite Light's overwhelming advantage shows how inferior Light's IQ is

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

2 traits that are extremely incompatible with someone that's considered a borderline genius and one of the smartest people in manga. Light is just a moron who had every advantage in the world and that ended up losing to L.

One character had to figure out another character's name, while the other character had to prove that the first guy has magical killing powers. Take a wild guess at to wich guy lost in that scenario.

So yeah, no matter what you say, Light is borderline retarded, moronic and lacking of a functional brain. Sure, that does NOT take away the fact that L is extremely fucking smart and the real genius. The fact that this entire exchange was still somewhat close despite Light's overwhelming advantage shows how inferior Light's IQ is

This is taking out a lot of context. Yes L may have been (slightly) more intelligent and skilled, but this doesn't mean Light had it easy by any means. He had to deal with several things, such as:
Getting cameras installed in every inch of his house, which he could still circumvent by hiding a camera in a potato chip bag.
Having agents stalking him, with him only even knowing about Raye Penber because Ryuk was personally creeped out by Raye and decided to snitch (which was one of the only times in the entire series Ryuk ever bothered to actually help Light or anyone else for that matter since he's usually just neutral).
The thing I mentioned with Raye's wife earlier.
And constantly being put into positions where, if he DID kill L, he'd immediately be confirmed as Kira no matter what.
Not to mention his own father was one of the heads of the investigation and he didn't really want to take out his own family.
The theme of the story, at any given point, was "the world's smartest criminal vs the world's smartest detective". L is meant to be a Sherlock Holmes types of character, and he did his very best to stop Light, with his efforts ultimately being pivotal to Light getting caught despite Light having supernatural powers. However, Light having said supernatural powers does not inherently mean he ever had it easy even from the start. He even had to give up the notebook at some point so he wouldn't be suspected. So I don't get why you're saying all this as if it were really easy to get L's name and kill him while still being seen as innocent.

Edit: Also, you can have a high ego while still being highly intelligent. In fact highly intelligent people would be more prone to that as they'd overestimate themselves due to their intelligence.

 

[matt245]

This is taking out a lot of context. Yes L may have been (slightly) more intelligent and skilled, but this doesn't mean Light had it easy by any means. He had to deal with several things, such as:
Getting cameras installed in every inch of his house, which he could still circumvent by hiding a camera in a potato chip bag.
Having agents stalking him, with him only even knowing about Raye Penber because Ryuk was personally creeped out by Raye and decided to snitch (which was one of the only times in the entire series Ryuk ever bothered to actually help Light or anyone else for that matter since he's usually just neutral).
The thing I mentioned with Raye's wife earlier.
And constantly being put into positions where, if he DID kill L, he'd immediately be confirmed as Kira no matter what.
Not to mention his own father was one of the heads of the investigation and he didn't really want to take out his own family.
The theme of the story, at any given point, was "the world's smartest criminal vs the world's smartest detective". L is meant to be a Sherlock Holmes types of character, and he did his very best to stop Light, with his efforts ultimately being pivotal to Light getting caught despite Light having supernatural powers. However, Light having said supernatural powers does not inherently mean he ever had it easy even from the start. He even had to give up the notebook at some point so he wouldn't be suspected. So I don't get why you're saying all this as if it were really easy to get L's name and kill him while still being seen as innocent.

Most of those problems happened due to Light being dumb from the beginning. As I've said and I will say it again;

Light had to figure out L's NAME. L had to prove that there is guy capable of magically killing people with just basic information in a world where supernatural stuff isn't common. If L was only slightly smarter, Light's overwhelming odds and advantages would've made him win comfortably but he didn't because he is not that bright. L is a genius and smart as fuck, Light is somewhat smart sure, but not even close to genius level. Saying that Light is slightly smarter than the average is already being too generous.

I genuinely don't know why you are trying to call someone smart when he had everything to win, yet he still lost somehow. And I will die on that hill. Everyone that's not blinded by bias will realize that it's only the author trying to make Light seem as smart while Light keeps provide again and again that he isn't.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Most of those problems happened due to Light being dumb from the beginning. As I've said and I will say it again;

Light had to figure out L's NAME. L had to prove that there is guy capable of magically killing people with just basic information in a world where supernatural stuff isn't common. If L was only slightly smarter, Light's overwhelming odds and advantages would've made him win comfortably but he didn't because he is not that bright. L is a genius and smart as fuck, Light is somewhat smart sure, but not even close to genius level. Saying that Light is slightly smarter than the average is already being too generous.

I genuinely don't know why you are trying to call someone smart when he had everything to win, yet he still lost somehow. And I will die on that hill. Everyone that's not blinded by bias will realize that it's only the author trying to make Light seem as smart while Light keeps provide again and again that he isn't.

Yes and again, L made it so that nobody could just get his name that easily. As far as I remember, not even the readers of the manga knew what L's real name was until something completely outside the manga revealed it's L Lawliet. Light also had to sacrifice one of the two Shinigamis that were aiding him, just to take L down.
Again, L isn't cocky and knows how to do things the right way without getting emotional or biased for whatever reasons. Light is. That's the consequence of being a very young adult and also being arrogant precisely because you're one of the most intelligent people in your world with supernatural abilities.

 

[Roo]

L is smarter than Light because ego plays a role in how smart you are. Light's biggest flaw is he's an idiot who let his ego control him.

Chrollo's entire schtick is prepping with abilities. I don't think gets past a mid diff vs Hisoka without prep

 

[park_min young]

L is smarter than Light because ego plays a role in how smart you are. Light's biggest flaw is he's an idiot who let his ego control him.

Chrollo's entire schtick is prepping with abilities. I don't think gets past a mid diff vs Hisoka without prep

Brother, Chrollo made two Zoldycks tweak with a literal cloak and dagger. This won’t be a fight with a clear winner even if Chrollo’s unprepared. Chrollo just wanted a sure way to kill Hisoka, it’s a coin flip without prep and why tf would he want that? He accomplishes nothing doing death battles with the clown.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Brother, Chrollo made two Zoldycks tweak with a literal cloak and dagger. This won’t be a fight with a clear winner even if Chrollo’s unprepared. Chrollo just wanted a sure way to kill Hisoka, it’s a coin flip without prep and why tf would he want that? He accomplishes nothing doing death battles with the clown.

I agree. People are underestimating chrollo way too much. He survived 2v1 with 2 hisoka level characters.

 

[Roo]

Brother, Chrollo made two Zoldycks tweak with a literal cloak and dagger. This won’t be a fight with a clear winner even if Chrollo’s unprepared. Chrollo just wanted a sure way to kill Hisoka, it’s a coin flip without prep and why tf would he want that? He accomplishes nothing doing death battles with the clown.

Hence why I said mid diff

It was also heavily implied Zeno could’ve killed Chrollo had he sacrificed the poisoned Silva, did you you forget about that?

Chrollo is literally a prep time merchant in a story that allows him to. Hisoka is a battle genius on the other hand. I don’t see why this is such a big deal. HxH is not a simple DBZ like manga

 

[park_min young]

Hence why I said mid diff

It was also heavily implied Zeno could’ve killed Chrollo had he sacrificed the poisoned Silva, did you you forget about that?

Chrollo is literally a prep time merchant in a story that allows him to. Hisoka is a battle genius on the other hand. I don’t see why this is such a big deal. HxH is not a simple DBZ like manga

Bro, you’re not helping yourself here. “Zeno had to sacrifice Silva just to get to Chrollo“. Either of these characters could probably solo Hisoka, they’re all in the same tier. Did you forget that Zeno also admitted that Chrollo wasn’t even in kill mode?

Hisoka’s not mid-diffing even a Chrollo with the worst Nen skills available.

 

[Roo]

Bro, you’re not helping yourself here. “Zeno had to sacrifice Silva just to get to Chrollo“. Either of these characters could probably solo Hisoka, they’re in the same tier. Did you forget that Zeno also admitted that Chrollo wasn’t even in kill mode?

Hisoka’s not mid-diffing even a Chrollo with the worst Nen skills available.

Silva and Zeno are not soloing hisoka tf?
We also literally saw Hisoka fight Chrollo, it’s not like I am pulling shit out my ass. Chrollo literally ran until he had the best arsenal to kill Hisoka and failed to do so

 

[park_min young]

Silva and Zeno are not soloing hisoka tf?
We also literally saw Hisoka fight Chrollo, it’s not like I am pulling shit out my ass. Chrollo literally ran until he had the best arsenal to kill Hisoka and failed to do so

Proof they can’t? Their portrayal is in a similar ballpark with Illumi’s.

All I saw was Chrollo explaining how he’d kill Hisoka, and did it without a single scratch. Hisoka lived because of plot armor, a prepped Chrollo low-diffs Hisoka then an unprepped one is a coin flip.

There’s a reason why Hisoka wants to fight Chrollo so bad lmfao, if he thinks he can mid-diff Chrollo then he wouldn’t be that horny at the idea of fighting any version of him.

 

[Roo]

All I saw was Chrollo explaining how he’d kill Hisoka, and did it without a single scratch. Hisoka lived because of plot armor, a prepped Chrollo low-diffs Hisoka then an unprepped one is a coin flip.

There’s a reason why Hisoka wants to fight Chrollo so bad lmfao, if he thinks he can mid-diff Chrollo then he wouldn’t be that horny at the idea of fighting any version of him.

“Not a single scratch”

In a manga where a single hit can easily kill a character? Come on. Don’t bring the shit one piece arguments to HxH

At this point he wants to kill Chrollo because he thinks he’s a bum who made a mockery of their battle so it’s not the best argument

 

[park_min young]

At this point he wants to kill Chrollo because he thinks he’s a bum who made a mockery of their battle so it’s not the best argument

More like he’s salty af that he got destroyed that badly, ego got shattered 😂. Just wait and see where this arc will go, Hisoka’s never killing Chrollo in a fair fight.

 

[Roo]

More like he’s salty af that he got destroyed that badly, ego got shattered 😂. Just wait and see where this arc will go, Hisoka’s never killing Chrollo in a fair fight.

You’re the one bringing Hisoka’s motivation into this not me.

 

[park_min young]

You’re the one bringing Hisoka’s motivation into this not me.

Because Hisoka’s entire character revolves around seeking out strong opponents. He literally ranks people by power level, giving them numbers like they’re in DBZ LMFAO. He was never as interested in fighting Illumi, someone portrayed as roughly on his level, as he was in going after Chrollo. The portrayal is pretty clear that Chrollo is above Hisoka, the chaser is always below the guy he’s chasing.

 

[Roo]

Because Hisoka’s entire character revolves around seeking out strong opponents. He literally ranks people by power level, giving them numbers like they’re in DBZ LMFAO. He was never as interested in fighting Illumi, someone portrayed as roughly on his level, as he was in going after Chrollo. The portrayal is pretty clear that Chrollo is above Hisoka, the chaser is always below the guy he’s chasing.

Yeah, that was before he fought him with Chrollo having infinite prep time

After he lost he was disappointed and just decided to kill him out of principle. Did you miss that entire part of his character arc?

 

[park_min young]

Yeah, that was before he fought him with Chrollo having infinite prep time

After he lost he was disappointed and just decided to kill him out of principle. Did you miss that entire part of his character arc?

Salty and ego shattered, Hisoka is literally the incel after a girl rejects him. Chrollo destroyed him that badly, nasty work.

 

[matt245]

Yes and again, L made it so that nobody could just get his name that easily. As far as I remember, not even the readers of the manga knew what L's real name was until something completely outside the manga revealed it's L Lawliet. Light also had to sacrifice one of the two Shinigamis that were aiding him, just to take L down.
Again, L isn't cocky and knows how to do things the right way without getting emotional or biased for whatever reasons. Light is. That's the consequence of being a very young adult and also being arrogant precisely because you're one of the most intelligent people in your world with supernatural abilities.

Then it would be an absolute stalement and Light not knowing Ls name doesn't hinder him at all. But of course, Light had to be dumb and help L narrow down the list.

First of all he sent L a letter saying that there there are Shikigama deleting the possibility of this being divine intervention. He killed fake L to narrow down the places from the entire world to basically his city.
He checked his father's detective records to see Ls conclusion of Kira being a student because of him killing only during break times and started killing outside of said breaks. Which made L narrow the list even further to student with access to police records and the option to check news and such outside of break time.
The this fucking retarded, borderline braindead mf went ahead and killed the FBI agent that was following him in broad daylight. MIND YOU, THE FBI AGENT LITERALLY SAID THAT HE DOESN'T FIND ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT LIGHT AND THAT HE'LL LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Actually, scrap what I said about Light being above average. If it wasn't for the plot Ryu helping his ass despite saying that he won't do such a thing, he would've been caught in a few days at most.

I'm really thankful for you opening my eyes. Light isn't a genius, he isn't smart, he isn't even average, he might actually be one of the most retarded mcs in manga period. The only reason as to why he looks smart is because everyone else (bar L) share the same braincell and the fact that everyone else (bar L) is incompetent as fuck.