Theory Lily´s connection to Imu, Luffy / Joyboy and the OP world

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Joygirl1

#1
WARNING: This theory is very long to read and it contains a lot of stuff that may seem farfetched or wild but it was fun to make.

So, we know that Lily played a big role in the past and she was most likely responsible for giving future generations a chance to discover the truth about the void century and the world government. I speculate one day we will get to see her in a flashback. Because of this I made up my own speculations about her and her possible connections.

For a start I would be confident that there was some close connection to Imu, may they have been lovers (cheesy, I know...) or close friends. While Imu remains still very mysterious so far it seems that he / she is getting kinda emotional whenever Lily is becoming the topic of the conversation. In the latest chapter Imu seemingly is getting out of his ways by entering the throne room while Cobra is still there and at a really bad timing when the reverie is still going on and the secret king of the world should normally be more cautious to stay hidden like he / she probably has been for several centuries. And all of this risk of being discovered only because Imu wanted to get his theory about Lily having the D. in the name getting confirmed. After all that time this seemed to be that important to Imu? Also, the arrow at Cobra was fired right after he was stating that the letter was signed with "Nefertari D. Lily", for me this seems like a really emotional reaction, out of anger about her betrayal.

This will be really long but I´ll start at the beginning chronically. Once 20 kings and queens decided to establish a world government, for not so noble reasons most likely. And because of their devil fruits Imu and Lily were the ones chosen to change the world in a way that the world government wanted it to be. I think Imu and Lily were like two different sides of a coin. My theory is that Imu has something like an Erase fruit that can delete, erase, absorb or destroy things, on a really big scale while Lily might have had the opposite, something like an equally very powerful Creation fruit that can not only change the world but can also create or recreate life itself. Together they were starting to split the once united world (the ONE PIECE!) into the 4 blues, this was Imu´s doing and Lily was creating Reverse Mountain as well as the Calm Belt and the Grandline. Either she had trust in those plans, probably under the influence of her friend Imu, or she did not care and initially was a kinda snobbish and power-hungry person like the rest of the other kings and queens and later Tenryuubito. There are a lot of theories that Imu became either immortal by own power or that the former owner of the Op-Op fruit had used it on Imu, so I go a different route here: Imu convinced Lily to use her creation devil fruit power on Imu to make him / her immortal.

But at some point Lily met a guy named Joyboy who was convincing her to rethink the choices she had made. He might probably have been just a regular guy but with a strong sense of justice, it´s a wild speculation but as he apologised on that poneglyph on Fishman Island for destroying it I think this could have been the turning point for Lily. Somehow Joyboy forced Imu to do something similar like Imu did with Lulusia to the original Fishman Island and Lily witnessed it. In shock about finally realizing how wrong all those things she did have been and seeing Imu´s true cold-blooded and evil nature she chose to abandon the world government and sabotage their plans on purpose. Maybe she created Amazon Lily, which is located inside the Calm Belt and before Vegapunk found a way back then there was almost no way for someone to find her there. However, this is not the end of my theory at all. Next we are coming to Joyboy, Roger and Luffy!

And here I place a bomb: The so-called Creation fruit of Lily was actually the Nika Nika fruit! Also Lily was the initial owner of the straw hat! (Nobody ever said only guys can wear one) To make sure that even hundreds of years someone is around to stop the world government and the immortal Imu Lily made a decision: Together with the straw hat she passed on her will and her devil fruit to Joyboy but making him kinda immortal in a different way than Imu, so that even if he dies he will always be reborn in different reincarnations. And yes, those reincarnations included Roger and Luffy! At one point Roger literally said to Rayleigh that he won´t die, so whatever Joyboy (and / or Lily?) left on Laugh Tale lead to Roger realizing that there will once be another reincarnation of Joyboy and Roger himself coming up but he was not the chosen one himself as he either did not receive the Nika fruit in his era (more likely option to me tbh) or that he failed to awaken it. Shanks was also involved in the plan, he actively went searching for the Nika fruit and took it with him, so one day the fruit and the reincarnation of Joyboy - who turned out to be Luffy - could eat it and bring the plan to the end.

So, Luffy is not aware what the real powers of the Nika fruit really are, he always used it the way he did for fighting and using his body as rubber because that was his imagination of how it worked. He created this. Like he later did with the cartoonish stuff in the fight against Kaido. And, what Luffy´s seemingly impossible dream might be: It´s simply to unite the 4 blues into one! While this seems impossible to everyone he might be actually able to do it for real at the very end of the story, recreating the ONE PIECE!

Coming back to Imu one last time: We saw Imu in a garden playing with butterflies, this does not seem to be fitting Imu´s character as we saw him and the Gorosei as what appears to be nightmarish creatures in the last chapter and Imu also seems to know about the straw hat (because he knew it once was Lily´s). So I think this might be out of sentimental reasons as the garden was probably created by Lily too.

OMG this turned out to be way longer than I imagined, did anybody even read this until the end? xD
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#2
WARNING: This theory is very long to read and it contains a lot of stuff that may seem farfetched or wild but it was fun to make.

So, we know that Lily played a big role in the past and she was most likely responsible for giving future generations a chance to discover the truth about the void century and the world government. I speculate one day we will get to see her in a flashback. Because of this I made up my own speculations about her and her possible connections.

For a start I would be confident that there was some close connection to Imu, may they have been lovers (cheesy, I know...) or close friends. While Imu remains still very mysterious so far it seems that he / she is getting kinda emotional whenever Lily is becoming the topic of the conversation. In the latest chapter Imu seemingly is getting out of his ways by entering the throne room while Cobra is still there and at a really bad timing when the reverie is still going on and the secret king of the world should normally be more cautious to stay hidden like he / she probably has been for several centuries. And all of this risk of being discovered only because Imu wanted to get his theory about Lily having the D. in the name getting confirmed. After all that time this seemed to be that important to Imu? Also, the arrow at Cobra was fired right after he was stating that the letter was signed with "Nefertari D. Lily", for me this seems like a really emotional reaction, out of anger about her betrayal.

This will be really long but I´ll start at the beginning chronically. Once 20 kings and queens decided to establish a world government, for not so noble reasons most likely. And because of their devil fruits Imu and Lily were the ones chosen to change the world in a way that the world government wanted it to be. I think Imu and Lily were like two different sides of a coin. My theory is that Imu has something like an Erase fruit that can delete, erase, absorb or destroy things, on a really big scale while Lily might have had the opposite, something like an equally very powerful Creation fruit that can not only change the world but can also create or recreate life itself. Together they were starting to split the once united world (the ONE PIECE!) into the 4 blues, this was Imu´s doing and Lily was creating Reverse Mountain as well as the Calm Belt and the Grandline. Either she had trust in those plans, probably under the influence of her friend Imu, or she did not care and initially was a kinda snobbish and power-hungry person like the rest of the other kings and queens and later Tenryuubito. There are a lot of theories that Imu became either immortal by own power or that the former owner of the Op-Op fruit had used it on Imu, so I go a different route here: Imu convinced Lily to use her creation devil fruit power on Imu to make him / her immortal.

But at some point Lily met a guy named Joyboy who was convincing her to rethink the choices she had made. He might probably have been just a regular guy but with a strong sense of justice, it´s a wild speculation but as he apologised on that poneglyph on Fishman Island for destroying it I think this could have been the turning point for Lily. Somehow Joyboy forced Imu to do something similar like Imu did with Lulusia to the original Fishman Island and Lily witnessed it. In shock about finally realizing how wrong all those things she did have been and seeing Imu´s true cold-blooded and evil nature she chose to abandon the world government and sabotage their plans on purpose. Maybe she created Amazon Lily, which is located inside the Calm Belt and before Vegapunk found a way back then there was almost no way for someone to find her there. However, this is not the end of my theory at all. Next we are coming to Joyboy, Roger and Luffy!

And here I place a bomb: The so-called Creation fruit of Lily was actually the Nika Nika fruit! Also Lily was the initial owner of the straw hat! (Nobody ever said only guys can wear one) To make sure that even hundreds of years someone is around to stop the world government and the immortal Imu Lily made a decision: Together with the straw hat she passed on her will and her devil fruit to Joyboy but making him kinda immortal in a different way than Imu, so that even if he dies he will always be reborn in different reincarnations. And yes, those reincarnations included Roger and Luffy! At one point Roger literally said to Rayleigh that he won´t die, so whatever Joyboy (and / or Lily?) left on Laugh Tale lead to Roger realizing that there will once be another reincarnation of Joyboy and Roger himself coming up but he was not the chosen one himself as he either did not receive the Nika fruit in his era (more likely option to me tbh) or that he failed to awaken it. Shanks was also involved in the plan, he actively went searching for the Nika fruit and took it with him, so one day the fruit and the reincarnation of Joyboy - who turned out to be Luffy - could eat it and bring the plan to the end.

So, Luffy is not aware what the real powers of the Nika fruit really are, he always used it the way he did for fighting and using his body as rubber because that was his imagination of how it worked. He created this. Like he later did with the cartoonish stuff in the fight against Kaido. And, what Luffy´s seemingly impossible dream might be: It´s simply to unite the 4 blues into one! While this seems impossible to everyone he might be actually able to do it for real at the very end of the story, recreating the ONE PIECE!

Coming back to Imu one last time: We saw Imu in a garden playing with butterflies, this does not seem to be fitting Imu´s character as we saw him and the Gorosei as what appears to be nightmarish creatures in the last chapter and Imu also seems to know about the straw hat (because he knew it once was Lily´s). So I think this might be out of sentimental reasons as the garden was probably created by Lily too.

OMG this turned out to be way longer than I imagined, did anybody even read this until the end? xD
Summary please?
 
#3
WARNING: This theory is very long to read and it contains a lot of stuff that may seem farfetched or wild but it was fun to make.

So, we know that Lily played a big role in the past and she was most likely responsible for giving future generations a chance to discover the truth about the void century and the world government. I speculate one day we will get to see her in a flashback. Because of this I made up my own speculations about her and her possible connections.

For a start I would be confident that there was some close connection to Imu, may they have been lovers (cheesy, I know...) or close friends. While Imu remains still very mysterious so far it seems that he / she is getting kinda emotional whenever Lily is becoming the topic of the conversation. In the latest chapter Imu seemingly is getting out of his ways by entering the throne room while Cobra is still there and at a really bad timing when the reverie is still going on and the secret king of the world should normally be more cautious to stay hidden like he / she probably has been for several centuries. And all of this risk of being discovered only because Imu wanted to get his theory about Lily having the D. in the name getting confirmed. After all that time this seemed to be that important to Imu? Also, the arrow at Cobra was fired right after he was stating that the letter was signed with "Nefertari D. Lily", for me this seems like a really emotional reaction, out of anger about her betrayal.

This will be really long but I´ll start at the beginning chronically. Once 20 kings and queens decided to establish a world government, for not so noble reasons most likely. And because of their devil fruits Imu and Lily were the ones chosen to change the world in a way that the world government wanted it to be. I think Imu and Lily were like two different sides of a coin. My theory is that Imu has something like an Erase fruit that can delete, erase, absorb or destroy things, on a really big scale while Lily might have had the opposite, something like an equally very powerful Creation fruit that can not only change the world but can also create or recreate life itself. Together they were starting to split the once united world (the ONE PIECE!) into the 4 blues, this was Imu´s doing and Lily was creating Reverse Mountain as well as the Calm Belt and the Grandline. Either she had trust in those plans, probably under the influence of her friend Imu, or she did not care and initially was a kinda snobbish and power-hungry person like the rest of the other kings and queens and later Tenryuubito. There are a lot of theories that Imu became either immortal by own power or that the former owner of the Op-Op fruit had used it on Imu, so I go a different route here: Imu convinced Lily to use her creation devil fruit power on Imu to make him / her immortal.

But at some point Lily met a guy named Joyboy who was convincing her to rethink the choices she had made. He might probably have been just a regular guy but with a strong sense of justice, it´s a wild speculation but as he apologised on that poneglyph on Fishman Island for destroying it I think this could have been the turning point for Lily. Somehow Joyboy forced Imu to do something similar like Imu did with Lulusia to the original Fishman Island and Lily witnessed it. In shock about finally realizing how wrong all those things she did have been and seeing Imu´s true cold-blooded and evil nature she chose to abandon the world government and sabotage their plans on purpose. Maybe she created Amazon Lily, which is located inside the Calm Belt and before Vegapunk found a way back then there was almost no way for someone to find her there. However, this is not the end of my theory at all. Next we are coming to Joyboy, Roger and Luffy!

And here I place a bomb: The so-called Creation fruit of Lily was actually the Nika Nika fruit! Also Lily was the initial owner of the straw hat! (Nobody ever said only guys can wear one) To make sure that even hundreds of years someone is around to stop the world government and the immortal Imu Lily made a decision: Together with the straw hat she passed on her will and her devil fruit to Joyboy but making him kinda immortal in a different way than Imu, so that even if he dies he will always be reborn in different reincarnations. And yes, those reincarnations included Roger and Luffy! At one point Roger literally said to Rayleigh that he won´t die, so whatever Joyboy (and / or Lily?) left on Laugh Tale lead to Roger realizing that there will once be another reincarnation of Joyboy and Roger himself coming up but he was not the chosen one himself as he either did not receive the Nika fruit in his era (more likely option to me tbh) or that he failed to awaken it. Shanks was also involved in the plan, he actively went searching for the Nika fruit and took it with him, so one day the fruit and the reincarnation of Joyboy - who turned out to be Luffy - could eat it and bring the plan to the end.

So, Luffy is not aware what the real powers of the Nika fruit really are, he always used it the way he did for fighting and using his body as rubber because that was his imagination of how it worked. He created this. Like he later did with the cartoonish stuff in the fight against Kaido. And, what Luffy´s seemingly impossible dream might be: It´s simply to unite the 4 blues into one! While this seems impossible to everyone he might be actually able to do it for real at the very end of the story, recreating the ONE PIECE!

Coming back to Imu one last time: We saw Imu in a garden playing with butterflies, this does not seem to be fitting Imu´s character as we saw him and the Gorosei as what appears to be nightmarish creatures in the last chapter and Imu also seems to know about the straw hat (because he knew it once was Lily´s). So I think this might be out of sentimental reasons as the garden was probably created by Lily too.

OMG this turned out to be way longer than I imagined, did anybody even read this until the end? xD
I like your theory!
 
#7
Ok! I’ll give your theory a try than
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WARNING: This theory is very long to read and it contains a lot of stuff that may seem farfetched or wild but it was fun to make.

So, we know that Lily played a big role in the past and she was most likely responsible for giving future generations a chance to discover the truth about the void century and the world government. I speculate one day we will get to see her in a flashback. Because of this I made up my own speculations about her and her possible connections.

For a start I would be confident that there was some close connection to Imu, may they have been lovers (cheesy, I know...) or close friends. While Imu remains still very mysterious so far it seems that he / she is getting kinda emotional whenever Lily is becoming the topic of the conversation. In the latest chapter Imu seemingly is getting out of his ways by entering the throne room while Cobra is still there and at a really bad timing when the reverie is still going on and the secret king of the world should normally be more cautious to stay hidden like he / she probably has been for several centuries. And all of this risk of being discovered only because Imu wanted to get his theory about Lily having the D. in the name getting confirmed. After all that time this seemed to be that important to Imu? Also, the arrow at Cobra was fired right after he was stating that the letter was signed with "Nefertari D. Lily", for me this seems like a really emotional reaction, out of anger about her betrayal.

This will be really long but I´ll start at the beginning chronically. Once 20 kings and queens decided to establish a world government, for not so noble reasons most likely. And because of their devil fruits Imu and Lily were the ones chosen to change the world in a way that the world government wanted it to be. I think Imu and Lily were like two different sides of a coin. My theory is that Imu has something like an Erase fruit that can delete, erase, absorb or destroy things, on a really big scale while Lily might have had the opposite, something like an equally very powerful Creation fruit that can not only change the world but can also create or recreate life itself. Together they were starting to split the once united world (the ONE PIECE!) into the 4 blues, this was Imu´s doing and Lily was creating Reverse Mountain as well as the Calm Belt and the Grandline. Either she had trust in those plans, probably under the influence of her friend Imu, or she did not care and initially was a kinda snobbish and power-hungry person like the rest of the other kings and queens and later Tenryuubito. There are a lot of theories that Imu became either immortal by own power or that the former owner of the Op-Op fruit had used it on Imu, so I go a different route here: Imu convinced Lily to use her creation devil fruit power on Imu to make him / her immortal.

But at some point Lily met a guy named Joyboy who was convincing her to rethink the choices she had made. He might probably have been just a regular guy but with a strong sense of justice, it´s a wild speculation but as he apologised on that poneglyph on Fishman Island for destroying it I think this could have been the turning point for Lily. Somehow Joyboy forced Imu to do something similar like Imu did with Lulusia to the original Fishman Island and Lily witnessed it. In shock about finally realizing how wrong all those things she did have been and seeing Imu´s true cold-blooded and evil nature she chose to abandon the world government and sabotage their plans on purpose. Maybe she created Amazon Lily, which is located inside the Calm Belt and before Vegapunk found a way back then there was almost no way for someone to find her there. However, this is not the end of my theory at all. Next we are coming to Joyboy, Roger and Luffy!

And here I place a bomb: The so-called Creation fruit of Lily was actually the Nika Nika fruit! Also Lily was the initial owner of the straw hat! (Nobody ever said only guys can wear one) To make sure that even hundreds of years someone is around to stop the world government and the immortal Imu Lily made a decision: Together with the straw hat she passed on her will and her devil fruit to Joyboy but making him kinda immortal in a different way than Imu, so that even if he dies he will always be reborn in different reincarnations. And yes, those reincarnations included Roger and Luffy! At one point Roger literally said to Rayleigh that he won´t die, so whatever Joyboy (and / or Lily?) left on Laugh Tale lead to Roger realizing that there will once be another reincarnation of Joyboy and Roger himself coming up but he was not the chosen one himself as he either did not receive the Nika fruit in his era (more likely option to me tbh) or that he failed to awaken it. Shanks was also involved in the plan, he actively went searching for the Nika fruit and took it with him, so one day the fruit and the reincarnation of Joyboy - who turned out to be Luffy - could eat it and bring the plan to the end.

So, Luffy is not aware what the real powers of the Nika fruit really are, he always used it the way he did for fighting and using his body as rubber because that was his imagination of how it worked. He created this. Like he later did with the cartoonish stuff in the fight against Kaido. And, what Luffy´s seemingly impossible dream might be: It´s simply to unite the 4 blues into one! While this seems impossible to everyone he might be actually able to do it for real at the very end of the story, recreating the ONE PIECE!

Coming back to Imu one last time: We saw Imu in a garden playing with butterflies, this does not seem to be fitting Imu´s character as we saw him and the Gorosei as what appears to be nightmarish creatures in the last chapter and Imu also seems to know about the straw hat (because he knew it once was Lily´s). So I think this might be out of sentimental reasons as the garden was probably created by Lily too.

OMG this turned out to be way longer than I imagined, did anybody even read this until the end? xD
Finally I read it all and I have to say this is amazing. I’m not saying it is right or wrong. Just that it is making me think of so many possibilities which theories should do in the first place. Great job writing and thinking this theory out on your own
 
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