Powers & Abilities Limited Ifrit Jambe Sanji vs Commanders

[Chrono]

The whole world in OP including both Luffy and Katakuri agree Luffy beat Katakuri, sorry to say, but you look like a pathetic fanboy to say otherwise to cover for Sanji.

Luffy smashed characters half way across the Grand line before it was cool, fought while carrying a giant gold bell, split a city the same arc Zoro struggled with a chimney, G3 had much better performance against Oz than Sanji.

And the Kraken is bigger than Wadatsumi and Luffy had better performance than Sanji/Zoro. Trying to compare Wadatsumi to Kaido makes you look ridiculous.

Lmao you just saying a load of random shit. Such fucking pathetic reasoning lol.

And the Kraken isnt bigger.

 

[MonsterKaido]

@BillSlipton How am I wrong?

 

[Finalbeta]

Unlimited =/= Better Maximum AP, only average

I feel like Sanji is still to week to strike down King but if you lend him unlimited IJ without fainting he is probably defeating Marco in the long run.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Yes. Sanji's AP problem will always be a thing unless Oda gives out a clear description whether IJ bypass defense or not.

Oda shown us in speech bubbles that DJ goes through Tekkai (the elemental damage), but Oda never even implied if Ifrit bypass defense or nah.

 

[York]

Yamato >, Beckmann >>, no idea about weevils power level

 

[Ar1sE1998]

Luffy

http://imgur.com/a/pedO10O

Kid reiju

http://imgur.com/a/Jvwc3ig

Dont underestimate the germa modification

 

[Finalbeta]

Yes. Sanji's AP problem will always be a thing unless Oda gives out a clear description whether IJ bypass defense or not.

Oda shown us in speech bubbles that DJ goes through Tekkai (the elemental damage), but Oda never even implied if Ifrit bypass defense or nah.

Maybe he will get much better by the time he faces Green Bull 🤔🤔

 

[soheilhazrat]

Yes. Sanji's AP problem will always be a thing unless Oda gives out a clear description whether IJ bypass defense or not.

Oda shown us in speech bubbles that DJ goes through Tekkai (the elemental damage), but Oda never even implied if Ifrit bypass defense or nah.

So DJ bypass defense but upgraded and way better DJ doesnt??

 

[Chrono]

Yes. Sanji's AP problem will always be a thing unless Oda gives out a clear description whether IJ bypass defense or not.

Oda shown us in speech bubbles that DJ goes through Tekkai (the elemental damage), but Oda never even implied if Ifrit bypass defense or nah.

What defense are you talking about ?

Ifrit demolished through Dino Defense

 

[RoronoaZorro]

So DJ bypass defense but upgraded and way better DJ doesnt??

Bypass Tekkai. Tekkai is physical technique, while Haki or innate defenses like Kaido/BM skins probably aren't (eg. haki blocks df stuff).

Oda wanks Haki too much (practically all-in-one solution postTS) that it's possible for it to resist elemental, like why people won't auto lose against fire/magma attacks.

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What defense are you talking about ?

Ifrit demolished through Dino Defense

Haki or innate defenses such as Kaido/BM/King's skins. See above.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Bypass Tekkai. Tekkai is physical technique, while Haki or innate defenses like Kaido/BM skins probably aren't (eg. haki blocks df stuff).

Oda wanks Haki too much (practically all-in-one solution postTS) that it's possible for it to resist elemental, like why people won't auto lose against fire/magma attacks.

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Haki or innate defenses such as Kaido/BM/King's skins. See above.

Oda doesn’t wank haki as much as a lot of the people on here do. Haki is just a weapon to be used.

That’s why he has franky a non haki user comparable with Jinbe a very proficient haki user.

Or why Kid and Law didn’t get haki boosts to fight Big Mom but devil fruit abilities. Or why am emperors most fearsome attacks were elemental based and that big mom was defeated by a massive fireball explosion despite her haki.

The only time haki is “wanked” is when Luffy needs a power up for a bit. Haki is just extra armor like tekkai no reason to assume it can block the internal damage of Sanjis fire.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Limited? You're far too kind, he can't use it at all without Judge's handouts and he lost them all.
This is what happens when Lanji is against people far above his level.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Oda doesn’t wank haki as much as a lot of the people on here do. Haki is just a weapon to be used.

That’s why he has franky a non haki user comparable with Jinbe a very proficient haki user.

Or why Kid and Law didn’t get haki boosts to fight Big Mom but devil fruit abilities. Or why am emperors most fearsome attacks were elemental based and that big mom was defeated by a massive fireball explosion despite her haki.

The only time haki is “wanked” is when Luffy needs a power up for a bit. Haki is just extra armor like tekkai no reason to assume it can block the internal damage of Sanjis fire.

Yeah, this is true.
Oda is balancing the science-haki-devil fruit power systems, especially in the SH.

This was why not all SH got Haki despite it's normal for them to have it (nakama's will is super strong). Shown again when Wano battles are overcomed with these variations:

- Chopper, Franky, Nami won with science.
- Robin Brook won with Devil Fruit.
- Jinbe Zoro won with Haki.
- Luffy Yamato won with DF and Haki.
- Sanji won with Science and Haki.

However the Haki wank (giving Haki preferential treatment) did happen when it's original purpose is to intimidate (Ch 1, Sabaody), detect thing (Skypiea), and hit Logia (Sabaody).

You get the "can't do anything if your haki is better than mine" and the CoCting stuff in this arc alone. Doesn't help when Oda shows that most of the top 10 are AdCoC peeps. Then there's the official statement that F6 has both Armament and Observation.

Casual readers or nah, you'll get the impression that "Haki is vital".

 

[faker]

Yeah, this is true.
Oda is balancing the science-haki-devil fruit power systems, especially in the SH.

This was why not all SH got Haki despite it's normal for them to have it (nakama's will is super strong). Shown again when Wano battles are overcomed with these variations:

- Chopper, Franky, Nami won with science.
- Robin Brook won with Devil Fruit.
- Jinbe Zoro won with Haki.
- Luffy Yamato won with DF and Haki.
- Sanji won with Science and Haki.

However the Haki wank (giving Haki preferential treatment) did happen when it's original purpose is to intimidate (Ch 1, Sabaody), detect thing (Skypiea), and hit Logia (Sabaody).

You get the "can't do anything if your haki is better than mine" and the CoCting stuff in this arc alone. Doesn't help when Oda shows that most of the top 10 are AdCoC peeps. Then there's the official statement that F6 has both Armament and Observation.

Casual readers or nah, you'll get the impression that "Haki is vital".

IJ is enough to defeat enemies like the queen. Sanji will defeat stronger enemies in the future. Do you think their haki will be weak? We don't need to say everything clearly. Yes, IJ can penetrate haki

 

[Chrono]

Bypass Tekkai. Tekkai is physical technique, while Haki or innate defenses like Kaido/BM skins probably aren't (eg. haki blocks df stuff).

Oda wanks Haki too much (practically all-in-one solution postTS) that it's possible for it to resist elemental, like why people won't auto lose against fire/magma attacks.

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Haki or innate defenses such as Kaido/BM/King's skins. See above.

Itd destroy through haki.

As for Meme....yes itd destroy her. Her defense isnt even that impressive.

Albert and Kaido is unknown. But Albert's defense has an easy weakness.