Controversial Lions > Tigers
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An unspoken benefit to Lions living in a pride structure is that Lions are often far more fearless when it comes to combat with other creatures. If a Lion gets into a fight to the death with another Lion, wins, but is brutally wounded afterward, it’s not as big of a deal as the Lion has an entire Lion pride to support it while it recovers. A wounded male Lion surrounded by 10 females isn’t that vulnerable, even in Africa.
Meanwhile, since Tigers are solitary hunters, they are much more cautious when it comes to getting into fights to the death. If a Tiger is severely wounded, it has no pack society to defend it and to bring food to it while it heals. The Tiger still has to hunt and gather food all on its own. This compounds the issue of Tigers having no fighting experience, because Tigers are rarely ever willing to risk taking severe wounds in a fight to the death.
This is why you will often see older male lions with old battle scars but you rarely see the same thing with Tigers, they are just too scared to risk dying as a result of a big battle but this doesn’t apply to wild Lions.
Like I said, to a layman it looks like that Tiger threw the lion to the ground. But literally if you put the video to half speed, you can see that the Tiger didn’t even touch the lion when the lion went down, the Lion went to the ground on purpose to utilize the classic Lion fighting style, a fighting style taught to all young Lions by older, experienced combatants. Tigers may teach their young to hunt and survive, but they don’t teach them how to win gladiatorial battles like Lions do.
Meanwhile, since Tigers are solitary hunters, they are much more cautious when it comes to getting into fights to the death. If a Tiger is severely wounded, it has no pack society to defend it and to bring food to it while it heals. The Tiger still has to hunt and gather food all on its own. This compounds the issue of Tigers having no fighting experience, because Tigers are rarely ever willing to risk taking severe wounds in a fight to the death.
This is why you will often see older male lions with old battle scars but you rarely see the same thing with Tigers, they are just too scared to risk dying as a result of a big battle but this doesn’t apply to wild Lions.
Like I said, to a layman it looks like that Tiger threw the lion to the ground. But literally if you put the video to half speed, you can see that the Tiger didn’t even touch the lion when the lion went down, the Lion went to the ground on purpose to utilize the classic Lion fighting style, a fighting style taught to all young Lions by older, experienced combatants. Tigers may teach their young to hunt and survive, but they don’t teach them how to win gladiatorial battles like Lions do.
That tiger kind of looks obese to me, idk. I would take a 500 pound wild tiger over a 700 pound show tiger 10/10 times.
Look at this tiger:
And then go back and look at that other tiger. Bigger isn’t always better, experience and performance physique matters much more than bulk in a fight to the death.
I feel like some of you guys would watch animals get flung around without considering which animals are actually winning in the long run lol. I had to explain to almost everyone in this thread that the Tiger in that video actually horribly lost that skirmish just because people thought that the Tiger threw the Lion to the ground. Lol
Also, I think it’s hilarious that in that video you posted, a smaller tiger goes to the ground and rears itself for attack by the larger tiger, and the larger tiger backs off lol. Literally proving my point about how cats fight and which method is superior. I’ve had multiple house cats for over a decade now, I’ve seen enough cat fights to know a skilled fighter from a complete scrub. Lol
Anecdotally my female cat was raised around other cats and fights like a lion. She is about 12 pounds. We have one male cat that weighs 17 pounds and another that weighs 19. Neither of them were raised around other cats initially, both of them fought like Tigers initially. You can rest assured that my female cat, despite being the smallest cat historically, initially used to body our larger male scrubs on a constant basis. Now that she taught the males how to fight like lions, the female tends to get bullied pretty badly but she is smart enough to pit the two males against each other now as well. Lol
We also had an outside stray female that we used to feed constantly who was accustomed to fighting stray cats. She fought like a lion. One time she got into the house and attacked our female. Our female ran to our 17 pounder, and he attacked the stray like a lion would fight and completely scared her off. The stray was a more experienced fighter but she probably weighed 10 pounds so she was quickly bodied lol.
Anyway. No fight will ever have 100% certain outcomes, if we had a fight between a 700 pound wild Siberian against a 450 pound African Lion, really it could go either way but I would 100% bet on the Lion to win most fights. If you taught a 700 pound Siberian to fight like a Lion then it would be unstoppable in a cat fight. Lol
Look at this tiger:
And then go back and look at that other tiger. Bigger isn’t always better, experience and performance physique matters much more than bulk in a fight to the death.
I feel like some of you guys would watch animals get flung around without considering which animals are actually winning in the long run lol. I had to explain to almost everyone in this thread that the Tiger in that video actually horribly lost that skirmish just because people thought that the Tiger threw the Lion to the ground. Lol
Also, I think it’s hilarious that in that video you posted, a smaller tiger goes to the ground and rears itself for attack by the larger tiger, and the larger tiger backs off lol. Literally proving my point about how cats fight and which method is superior. I’ve had multiple house cats for over a decade now, I’ve seen enough cat fights to know a skilled fighter from a complete scrub. Lol
Anecdotally my female cat was raised around other cats and fights like a lion. She is about 12 pounds. We have one male cat that weighs 17 pounds and another that weighs 19. Neither of them were raised around other cats initially, both of them fought like Tigers initially. You can rest assured that my female cat, despite being the smallest cat historically, initially used to body our larger male scrubs on a constant basis. Now that she taught the males how to fight like lions, the female tends to get bullied pretty badly but she is smart enough to pit the two males against each other now as well. Lol
We also had an outside stray female that we used to feed constantly who was accustomed to fighting stray cats. She fought like a lion. One time she got into the house and attacked our female. Our female ran to our 17 pounder, and he attacked the stray like a lion would fight and completely scared her off. The stray was a more experienced fighter but she probably weighed 10 pounds so she was quickly bodied lol.
Anyway. No fight will ever have 100% certain outcomes, if we had a fight between a 700 pound wild Siberian against a 450 pound African Lion, really it could go either way but I would 100% bet on the Lion to win most fights. If you taught a 700 pound Siberian to fight like a Lion then it would be unstoppable in a cat fight. Lol
No bro. Let me tell you as someone who knows a lot about cats, going to the ground an opening your paws up for a grapple is rearing for a fight. Cats don’t bow their heads in deference to a superior, cats run away from a superior. That tiger went to the ground because he was bracing himself for big boy to attack lol. Big boy backed off because he knew he was about to get grappled.
Another reason I think those are show tigers, that one tiger knew how to fight. Lol
Another reason I think those are show tigers, that one tiger knew how to fight. Lol
Well that one was the biggest next to the big boi lol. And lets take the smaller one who knows how to fight apparently, would he fare better against a lion given the size and bite force advantage or no?
This is very interesting to me because I grew up being told Tigers beat lions on the regular, as they are bigger then them and stronger. In roman colliseums Tigers would often be the winners but I was told that was a smaller breed of lions.
This is very interesting to me because I grew up being told Tigers beat lions on the regular, as they are bigger then them and stronger. In roman colliseums Tigers would often be the winners but I was told that was a smaller breed of lions.
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Do you know some good Pride Lion docus or videos on Youtube?
Watched long time ago one good one with 6 lions who ruled and had a strong pride.
Do you know some good Pride Lion docus or videos on Youtube?
Watched long time ago one good one with 6 lions who ruled and had a strong pride.
The Roman Coliseum stuff is doubted nowadays because the coliseums didn’t keep specific records of this kind of thing lol. You also have to keep in mind that in this debate, we are discussing Tigers and Lions as they appear in the wild in a modern context. Back in the days of Ancient Rome, if the Coliseums produced 700 pound warrior tigers, then sure I have no doubt that gladiator tigers killed many lions. Lol
For every individual you can find claiming to be an expert on this subject claiming tigers beat lions, you will find another expert claiming lions beat Tigers. Go look up Clyde Beaty and what he has to say on the subject. Man was an animal tamer for 28 years, and he claimed that his biggest expense was the amount of his tigers that had been killed by lions. He claimed that he had lost many tigers to lions over the years but had only lost one lion to a tiger in 28 years. The Tiger King himself said that lions beat tigers lol. But there really is no definitive answer to this shit.
I strongly endorse almost everything this man says in this video. Now this guy claims that wild lions actually weigh more than wild tigers on average, I don’t know about that but he claims that there have been studies which prove the point and I don’t care to fact check fringe studies lol. But this guy properly rates lions imo.
Also this is a pretty great video but it’s not specific to lions, I’m not sure if I agree with how highly he rates elephants as as elephants are literally so big and immobile that they can often get fatally stuck in like mud holes and such.
YouTube will not allow people to post how violent animal fights actually get. Wild animals rip each other apart, in actuality wild animal battles in Africa are like Saving Private Ryan levels of violent but filmmakers who highlight the savage violence itself are very rare lol. You can find a lot of great animal/wildlife documentaries on curiosity stream and nebula, hell you can find some nice documentaries on YouTube as well.
For every individual you can find claiming to be an expert on this subject claiming tigers beat lions, you will find another expert claiming lions beat Tigers. Go look up Clyde Beaty and what he has to say on the subject. Man was an animal tamer for 28 years, and he claimed that his biggest expense was the amount of his tigers that had been killed by lions. He claimed that he had lost many tigers to lions over the years but had only lost one lion to a tiger in 28 years. The Tiger King himself said that lions beat tigers lol. But there really is no definitive answer to this shit.
I strongly endorse almost everything this man says in this video. Now this guy claims that wild lions actually weigh more than wild tigers on average, I don’t know about that but he claims that there have been studies which prove the point and I don’t care to fact check fringe studies lol. But this guy properly rates lions imo.
Also this is a pretty great video but it’s not specific to lions, I’m not sure if I agree with how highly he rates elephants as as elephants are literally so big and immobile that they can often get fatally stuck in like mud holes and such.
YouTube will not allow people to post how violent animal fights actually get. Wild animals rip each other apart, in actuality wild animal battles in Africa are like Saving Private Ryan levels of violent but filmmakers who highlight the savage violence itself are very rare lol. You can find a lot of great animal/wildlife documentaries on curiosity stream and nebula, hell you can find some nice documentaries on YouTube as well.
Elephants are rated high Id assume because of how smart they are, their pack mentality, their social intelligence, long term memory,etc.
They are magnificient creatures honestly, there is a story of a family of elephants that would come visit the site of a dead elephant from their group every year.
And yes they do mourn their own.
Fringe issues like getting stuck in mudholes or whatever shouldnt detract from that. Speaking of which there are videos of Elephants coming to the rescue of other animals. For example a video or an elephant coming to the rescue of a Rhino stuck in the mud that was getting attacked by lions. Elephant ran them off and tried to get the Rhino unstuck. Spent a good several minutes trying his best to move and lift him but no bueno and then he finally gave up and left the rhino to his fate.
They are magnificient creatures honestly, there is a story of a family of elephants that would come visit the site of a dead elephant from their group every year.
And yes they do mourn their own.
Fringe issues like getting stuck in mudholes or whatever shouldnt detract from that. Speaking of which there are videos of Elephants coming to the rescue of other animals. For example a video or an elephant coming to the rescue of a Rhino stuck in the mud that was getting attacked by lions. Elephant ran them off and tried to get the Rhino unstuck. Spent a good several minutes trying his best to move and lift him but no bueno and then he finally gave up and left the rhino to his fate.
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Rewatching his video, I think I can agree.
Elephants are nearly immune from predators and other animals, they can take on rhinos 1v1, they have unmatched bulk, they can terraform the environment by tearing down trees, their versatile trunks and ears help to compensate for their size, and they have high intelligence to boot.
Definitely agree on hippos. They body pretty much every other threat to themselves, they are also nearly immune from predators, and they are highly mobile as long as they stay near water sources. Hippoes might be my number 1 pick for best animal in Africa, they legit have zero weaknesses.
I would put Crocodiles at number 2 behind hippos. I can show you videos of Jaguars one shot killing Crocodiles with stealth ambushes, and in the right context lions can kill them as well. I posted a video earlier of one male lion scaring off three Crocodile in the water. This ain’t happening to a hippo lol.
Elephants are nearly immune from predators and other animals, they can take on rhinos 1v1, they have unmatched bulk, they can terraform the environment by tearing down trees, their versatile trunks and ears help to compensate for their size, and they have high intelligence to boot.
Definitely agree on hippos. They body pretty much every other threat to themselves, they are also nearly immune from predators, and they are highly mobile as long as they stay near water sources. Hippoes might be my number 1 pick for best animal in Africa, they legit have zero weaknesses.
I would put Crocodiles at number 2 behind hippos. I can show you videos of Jaguars one shot killing Crocodiles with stealth ambushes, and in the right context lions can kill them as well. I posted a video earlier of one male lion scaring off three Crocodile in the water. This ain’t happening to a hippo lol.
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Back in 2004 there was a show called Animal Face-Off, and in one of the episodes, it was focused on the Asiatic Lion vs the Bengal Tiger.
The winner was the Asiatic Lion.
Back in 2004 there was a show called Animal Face-Off, and in one of the episodes, it was focused on the Asiatic Lion vs the Bengal Tiger.
The winner was the Asiatic Lion.
I actually remember something close to that, a fantastic documentary.
It was about Mapogo coalition, a brutal band of 6 thet reigned supreme over a large territory in Africa from 2006 until 2012, learning how to huntHippos and rhinos on regular basis and wiping out entire other prides. With its members eventually splitting into two groups, one group decimating the other.
It was about Mapogo coalition, a brutal band of 6 thet reigned supreme over a large territory in Africa from 2006 until 2012, learning how to huntHippos and rhinos on regular basis and wiping out entire other prides. With its members eventually splitting into two groups, one group decimating the other.
