General & Others List of possible retcons?

[fakename]

Everybody knows shit like Haki and Nika are retcons, but what are some more obscure ones? Even if it's just your theory why not disscuss it, or I guess powerscaling is more important lol.
Also I start with my own controversial example - people, even strong ones, were all supposed to have basically the same durability at first, meaning only things like armour, cybernetic enhancments and devil fruits (like luffys) would protect you from basic bullets and sword slashes. Explains why Shanks got his arm bitten of, because even ignoring the Haki retcon, it seems strange that some fodder fish is strong enough to hurth him, especially when luffy easily punches it out. But who knows maybe it's all just a baby cartoon made to sell for children and pedophile manchildren lol

 

[Salah WG]

Haki & Nika are not Retcons
But Oda did confirm that he retcons how Strong some Characters are sometimes

 

[Kiri D Bachi]

I think OP has a significantly smaller amount of retcons compared to any other Shounen Manga out there. Even haki is not completely a retcon (although i hate i, we've seen shanks using it in the first few chapters, Enel and his henchmen used coo in Skypea, Zoro might have used some form of coa against mr1... Nika is the biggest offender for me, but apart from that, I can't think of anything significant.

Explains why Shanks got his arm bitten of, because even ignoring the Haki retcon, it seems strange that some fodder fish is strong enough to hurth him, especially when luffy easily punches it out.

Yes, it makes no sense because it wasn't Oda's idea. His editors thought the story "lacks tension" so they made him do that bs. It's a well know fact by now. He tried to somewhat fix it with the "bet for the new age" bs, but the damage was already done. Ty editors

 

[uyuu]

Everybody knows shit like Haki and Nika are retcons, but what are some more obscure ones? Even if it's just your theory why not disscuss it, or I guess powerscaling is more important lol.
Also I start with my own controversial example - people, even strong ones, were all supposed to have basically the same durability at first, meaning only things like armour, cybernetic enhancments and devil fruits (like luffys) would protect you from basic bullets and sword slashes. Explains why Shanks got his arm bitten of, because even ignoring the Haki retcon, it seems strange that some fodder fish is strong enough to hurth him, especially when luffy easily punches it out. But who knows maybe it's all just a baby cartoon made to sell for children and pedophile manchildren lol

Well Shanks' arm was literally editors interfering with Oda's past work. Just like Roger beheaded by random fodders etc...i think Oda will just be loose at powerscaling tho.

..except if Shanks must sacrifice one of his limb to fulfill the absurd condition of Gomu2 transforming within Luffy's soul, into Nika Fruit or some stuff like that, which i'm sure Oda doesn't think about lol

 

[Kiri D Bachi]

Haki & Nika are not Retcons
But Oda did confirm that he retcons how Strong some Characters are sometimes

No one will ever convince me that Nika is not a retcon. There is literally no foreshadowing for it before Jinbe vs WhosWho. No evidence Oda ever planned it before mid Wano. And no, volume covers are not evidence.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

No one will ever convince me that Nika is not a retcon. There is literally no foreshadowing for it before Jinbe vs WhosWho. No evidence Oda ever planned it before mid Wano. And no, volume covers are not evidence.

Nika would have been great as a normal awakening. Also would have been fine if "Also nika had this fruit".
But like this is unnecessary

 

[fakename]

Well Shanks' arm was literally editors interfering with Oda's past work. Just like Roger beheaded by random fodders etc...i think Oda will just be loose at powerscaling tho.

..except if Shanks must sacrifice one of his limb to fulfill the absurd condition of Gomu2 transforming within Luffy's soul, into Nika Fruit or some stuff like that, which i'm sure Oda doesn't think about lol

Did the Editor meddling thing come out recently or was that known for a long time? Maybe he just threw some editor who left 20 years ago under the bus lol
But still if it's true that the yonko were part of the initial plan, was Shanks allways supposed to be one? One would assume, with him serving as a motiviation for Luffy as a strong pirate, but maybe originally Shanks was strong without being a yonko, the whole politics of the world being that important may haven't been that important at the start, so a truly free pirate wouldn't need teritory or influence but who knows lol

 

[Herrera95]

Nika is retcon. Haki isn't.

First you need to understand why Shanks lost an arm. It wasn't Oda will but editor to make an emotional scene. And it was great.

Second the Sea King wasn't at Shanks level but Shanks had to save Luffy by Risking his arm or losing Luffy.

Third, Shanks probably didn't had any haki at time and just unlocked conqueror at that moment.

You try to thrash power scale but at the end just power scale yourself.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Nika is retcon. Haki isn't.

First you need to understand why Shanks lost an arm. It wasn't Oda will but editor to make an emotional scene. And it was great.

Second the Sea King wasn't at Shanks level but Shanks had to save Luffy by Risking his arm or losing Luffy.

Third, Shanks probably didn't had any haki at time and just unlocked conqueror at that moment.

You try to thrash power scale but at the end just power scale yourself.

Also it's badass to have shanks with only one arm being one of the 4 strongest pirates.

 

[fakename]

Come on people, let's just admit that Haki was a retcon, no need to lie on here this isn't reddit or the youtube comment section😂

 

[Herrera95]

Also it's badass to have shanks with only one arm being one of the 4 strongest pirates.

True. I just imagine how Oda would work Shanks and Mihawk relationship if Shanks had 2 arms.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Come on people, let's just admit that Haki was a retcon, no need to lie on here this isn't reddit or the youtube comment section😂

I think retcon is a strong word, and it's a bit strange to ask for an honest conversation when you start telling us that we are liars.
Is any gear a retcon? (Volume 40 onward)
Are zoans a retcon? (Volume 14)
Are logias a retcons?
Haki was introduced formally in volume 25 and informally in chapter 1.
Probably it's an aftertought, but it's not a retcon. It doesn't change anything that we did not know. We discover Haki as the crew discovers it.

 

[fakename]

I think retcon is a strong word, and it's a bit strange to ask for an honest conversation when you start telling us that we are liars.
Is any gear a retcon? (Volume 40 onward)
Are zoans a retcon? (Volume 14)
Are logias a retcons?
Haki was introduced formally in volume 25 and informally in chapter 1.
Probably it's an aftertought, but it's not a retcon. It doesn't change anything that we did not know. We discover Haki as the crew discovers it.

Even in any conversation one has to agree to some presupositions, so I just think Haki being a retcon is accepted enough so it doesn't need to be discussed any longer. Because if you say that Haki isn't a retcon what stops one from defending Nika as being planned or that the road poneglyphs were planned from the start or that Oda had litterally every chapter in his head from birth.
I mean he admitted that he changed plans, so I don't know why defend haki out of all things? Because it not being a retcon would reflect worse on Oda - he had this thing in his mind but chose to reveal it in the weirdes way like having Teaches fruit be the only way Ace could have been touched in all years ect.
Also I'm not saying that Oda left some seeds he could later expand into something else, and things like Mantra are just that - ideas that potentially could lead to something later.
Also about the ad absurdum claim about Zoans being a retcon - that's exactly what I'm looking at: where thw devil fruit types planed from the start or something made up later? (But also they are different from Haki because their introduction was more natural and could seem as just additional info, where as haki seems to change things - hence retcon = retroactive continuity)
But whatever maybe this is a stupid topic lol😂

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Even in any conversation one has to agree to some presupositions, so I just think Haki being a retcon is accepted enough so it doesn't need to be discussed any longer. Because if you say that Haki isn't a retcon what stops one from defending Nika as being planned or that the road poneglyphs were planned from the start or that Oda had litterally every chapter in his head from birth.
I mean he admitted that he changed plans, so I don't know why defend haki out of all things? Because it not being a retcon would reflect worse on Oda - he had this thing in his mind but chose to reveal it in the weirdes way like having Teaches fruit be the only way Ace could have been touched in all years ect.
Also I'm not saying that Oda left some seeds he could later expand into something else, and things like Mantra are just that - ideas that potentially could lead to something later.
Also about the ad absurdum claim about Zoans being a retcon - that's exactly what I'm looking at: where thw devil fruit types planed from the start or something made up later? (But also they are different from Haki because their introduction was more natural and could seem as just additional info, where as haki seems to change things - hence retcon = retroactive continuity)
But whatever maybe this is a stupid topic lol😂

What i am trying to say is that not necessarily taking a previous idea and developing it is a retcon.
Nika is a retcon because it take a WELL DEFINED and WELL KNOWN thing and changes it with no clear foreshadowing nor hint.
Haki was not well defined, mantra was an ability that was almost magic, shanks could make people faint? It is completely different in my perspective.
Addressing your point, probably Oda did not plan haki as a power system, but we had enough vague powers that could be explained in a unique concept: Haki.
I am not saying it's a good or bad power system. I am just saying that it's not a violent retcon. But i mean, it's not clear why CP9 doesn't have it, or crocodile doesn't use it, or [..].
It's a nice point though.

 

[Date]

Nika for sure is a retcon, he could have put some small hints of it in places like Shandora and FI, that had a connection to JoyBoy or made the Gorosei react more worried about Luffy.


Dont think haki is one, but for sure pre and pos TS Oda changed what Haki is.

Just like Roger beheaded by random fodders etc...i think Oda will just be loose at powerscaling tho.
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Oda dont do powerscaling, that's just idiot DBZ readers headcanon.

Of course Roger could use CoC to faint everyone in Loguetown, but its clear he had the intention to die that day, as he would already die from the disease. Isnt like he had a Kaido/BM skin, he was a "normal" human

 

[Kiri D Bachi]

I think retcon is a strong word, and it's a bit strange to ask for an honest conversation when you start telling us that we are liars.
Is any gear a retcon? (Volume 40 onward)
Are zoans a retcon? (Volume 14)
Are logias a retcons?
Haki was introduced formally in volume 25 and informally in chapter 1.
Probably it's an aftertought, but it's not a retcon. It doesn't change anything that we did not know. We discover Haki as the crew discovers it.

Haki was kinda implied from the start, but it wasn't thoroughly thought through by Oda. People like Ace, Crocodile, Moriah, Lucci not using Haki makes no sense in retrospect if you consider that after the power was formaly introduced in the story, every Marine fodder and their grandmother can use it...

 

[fakename]

But yeah maybe I started off with the wrong foot, I wasn't necesary trying to collect retcons to shit on Oda, but just because I find behind the scenes stuff interesting, and just looking how and when things have changed sounds like a fun thing to do. The reason I attacked powerscalers was more of as a preemptive defense against comments like "`wow who cares about this autistic topic lol just enjoy the story itself" - by pointing out how people ate obsesed with powerscaling I wanted to let people see the value in this discssion too because atleast it doesn't seem any more pointless than talking about how strong Zoro is or isn't lol😂

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

But yeah maybe I started off with the wrong foot, I wasn't necesary trying to collect retcons to shit on Oda, but just because I find behind the scenes stuff interesting, and just looking how and when things have changed sounds like a fun thing to do. The reason I attacked powerscalers was more of as a preemptive defense against comments like "`wow who cares about this autistic topic lol just enjoy the story itself" - by pointing out how people ate obsesed with powerscaling I wanted to let people see the value in this discssion too because atleast it doesn't seem any more pointless than talking about how strong Zoro is or isn't lol😂

Power scalers keep getting angry at Oda and this makes me happy

 

[fakename]

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Power scalers keep getting angry at Oda and this makes me happy

guess this is offtopic, but I find it kinda sad how so many people only see this series as some kind of weird contest on whose favorite charachters is gonna be stronger. It kinda makes sense with sports and stuff but this is a fictional story - at the end luffy will win lol😂. Any other aspect of it, be it the messages, humor, even lore seem to be more worth discussiong than powerscaling

 

[roronoa_fan]

No one will ever convince me that Nika is not a retcon. There is literally no foreshadowing for it before Jinbe vs WhosWho. No evidence Oda ever planned it before mid Wano. And no, volume covers are not evidence.

In a special letter for the 10th anniversary of One Piece, Oda said that Luffy was extremely fortunate and chosen by the heavens. Even though he still hadn't decided on Nika, he already knew he would do something similar with Luffy.